How Is The Confederate Flag Considered A Hate Symbol?

[Hellbilly]

Haggard died in 2016. So you are still lying.

I met him before he died. Obviously. I believe it was 2012

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

Now get back on topic about the Confederate flag.

 

[Hellbilly]

Now get back on topic about the Confederate flag.

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

While there are groups like the Klu Klux Klan that use the Confederate flag, it is due to their white supremacist ideals and they twist the meaning of the flag.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I am not unfriendly when I say confederate flags are racist. They were the banners under which the confederates fought to preserve slavery. That makes them racist. No way around it.

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

I am not unfriendly when I say confederate flags are racist. They were the banners under which the confederates fought to preserve slavery. That makes them racist. No way around it.

You don't know the truth.

 

[Picaro]

While there are groups like the Klu Klux Klan that use the Confederate flag, it is due to their white supremacist ideals and they twist the meaning of the flag.

The Klan wouldn't exist without the FBI funding all those informants with nice CI paychecks every month.

 

[Picaro]

Lincoln didn't start the war to free slaves. That's is a load of crap, and we have his own words saying so.



"But what am I to do in the meantime with those men at Montgomery [meaning the Confederate constitutional convention]? Am I to let them go on...[a]nd open Charleston, etc., as ports of entry, with their ten-percent tariff. What, then, would become of my tariff?" ~Lincoln to Colonel John B. Baldwin, deputized by the VirginianCommissioners to determine whether Lincoln would use force, April 4,1861.


"You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Fort Sumter, even if it should fail ; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result. "
Abraham Lincoln, in a letter to Gustavus Fox, May 1, 1861


"In one single blow our foreign commerce must be reduced to less than one-half what it now is. Our coastwise trade would pass into other hands. One-half of our shipping would lie idle at our wharves. We should lose our trade with the South, with all of its immense profits. Our manufactories would be in utter ruins. Let the South adopt the free-trade system, or that of a tariff for revenue, and these results would likely follow." ....Chicago Daily Times December 1860

 

[mikegriffith1]

No it [the Confederate flag] actually represents freedom.

Humm, well, that's a tough sell. I understand where you're coming from. But, we have to keep in mind that until the last three months of the war, the Confederacy was seeking to preserve slavery. We also have to keep in mind that, when secession began, the original seven states of the Confederacy, i.e., the seven Deep South states, were openly and proudly standing for preserving slavery. We also have to keep in mind that the Deep South states refused to honor the results of the 1860 election, in clear violation of the Constitution.

However, it is also fair to say that virtually every argument one can make against the Confederacy one can also make against the U.S. from its founding until 1861.

True, at the start of the war, Lincoln did not envision using force to end slavery, but that changed with the Emancipation Proclamation in early 1863. Also, before the war began, Lincoln rejected all compromise proposals to end secession because he was adamantly opposed to allowing slavery to expand into the territories, a fact that Lincoln's woke critics usually ignore.

 

[Picaro]

Deep South states refused to honor the results of the 1860 election, in clear violation of the Constitution.

They weren't required to, they seceded, which was their right. They were no longer part of the Union. Lincoln and his banker and railroad sponsors simply wanted to loot the South to pay for their own govt. funded welfare agenda. It was the Whigs' 'American System', an agenda the Republicans kept. It wouldn't work if the northern states had to pay for it themselves out of their own pockets.

American System (economic plan) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A plan to strengthen and unify the nation, the American System was advanced by the Whig Party and a number of leading politicians including Henry Clay and John Quincy Adams. Clay was the first to refer to it as the "American System". Motivated by a growing American economy bolstered with major exports such as cotton, tobacco, native sod, and tar, the politicians sought to create a structure for expanding trade. This System included such policies as:

• Support for a high tariff to protect American industries and generate revenue for the federal government
• Maintenance of high public land prices to generate federal revenue
• Preservation of the Bank of the United States to stabilize the currency and rein in risky state and local banks
• Development of a system of internal improvements (such as roads and canals) which would knit the nation together and be financed by the tariff and land sales.

Why should the South pay outrageous prices to fund improvements that would exclusively benefit Lincoln's own state and the Northern manufacturers??? They planned to change the entire tax code and give millions of acres to the railroads for free, along with mineral rights and monopoly powers. That's why the apologists need to keep harping on slavery, as if that was reason instead of just plain old greed and a willingness to murder hundreds of thousands to line their own pockets.

It's not like anybody here sniveling about slavery would ever actually lift a finger to end it themselves, and they certainly wouldn't have if they had been around back then, either. It's just a dishonest gimmick to bask the South now for going Republican, is all.

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

Just making sure this thread is on topic in Road Runner absence

 

[Road Runner]

Just making sure this thread is on topic in Road Runner absence

Thanks, I've sort of been busy again and just trying to get all caught up now.

 

[DakotaKai_fan20]

Thanks, I've sort of been busy again and just trying to get all caught up now.

If you basically had all the free time in the world you would be like me.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

They weren't required to, they seceded, which was their right. They were no longer part of the Union. Lincoln and his banker and railroad sponsors simply wanted to loot the South to pay for their own govt. funded welfare agenda. It was the Whigs' 'American System', an agenda the Republicans kept. It wouldn't work if the northern states had to pay for it themselves out of their own pockets.

American System (economic plan) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A plan to strengthen and unify the nation, the American System was advanced by the Whig Party and a number of leading politicians including Henry Clay and John Quincy Adams. Clay was the first to refer to it as the "American System". Motivated by a growing American economy bolstered with major exports such as cotton, tobacco, native sod, and tar, the politicians sought to create a structure for expanding trade. This System included such policies as:

• Support for a high tariff to protect American industries and generate revenue for the federal government
• Maintenance of high public land prices to generate federal revenue
• Preservation of the Bank of the United States to stabilize the currency and rein in risky state and local banks
• Development of a system of internal improvements (such as roads and canals) which would knit the nation together and be financed by the tariff and land sales.

Why should the South pay outrageous prices to fund improvements that would exclusively benefit Lincoln's own state and the Northern manufacturers??? They planned to change the entire tax code and give millions of acres to the railroads for free, along with mineral rights and monopoly powers. That's why the apologists need to keep harping on slavery, as if that was reason instead of just plain old greed and a willingness to murder hundreds of thousands to line their own pockets.

It's not like anybody here sniveling about slavery would ever actually lift a finger to end it themselves, and they certainly wouldn't have if they had been around back then, either. It's just a dishonest gimmick to bask the South now for going Republican, is all.

Nonsense is the moral, ethical, and legal response.

 

[Picaro]

Nonsense is the moral, ethical, and legal response.

You have no idea what any of those are.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Picaro wanders in the desert of his forefathers.

 

[Picaro]

Picaro wanders in the desert of his forefathers.

Says a plastic 'indian'.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Says a plastic 'indian'.

Ad Homs are just so ineffective.

 

[Picaro]

Ad Homs are just so ineffective.

Ad homs are legitimate, as anybody who took Logic knows, especially this one.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ad homs are legitimate, as anybody who took Logic knows, especially this one.

No, they are not. You are, if we use them, a buffoon of logic.