How do we curtail gun violence?

[OnePercenter]

There has been a lot of talk about mass shooting incidents.
What I see in that talk are many people stricken by shock and grief and who have the means to make their voice heard. Very little is said about homicides among our poor.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Deadly mass shootings have resulted in considerable coverage by the media. These shootings have represented 1% of all deaths by gun between 1980 and 2008.​

The United States has a murder rate on par with Thailand.
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of those murders, of the ones for which the FBI received weapons data, 67.5% involve the use of firearms in 2010.
FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data
The vast majority of homicides with a firearm were committed using a handgun, not an assault weapon. Most of these guns used in these homicides are obtained on the black market. The black market is fueled by the unregulated secondary market.

What are your thoughts on gun violence in America?
What are the proposals to curtail this secondary market and make a dent in the 99% of gun violence in our country?

Interesting fact

United Kingdom	0.25 (2010)
United States	10.30 (2011)

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[M14 Shooter]

There has been a lot of talk about mass shooting incidents.
What I see in that talk are many people stricken by shock and grief and who have the means to make their voice heard. Very little is said about homicides among our poor.

Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Deadly mass shootings have resulted in considerable coverage by the media. These shootings have represented 1% of all deaths by gun between 1980 and 2008.​

The United States has a murder rate on par with Thailand.
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of those murders, of the ones for which the FBI received weapons data, 67.5% involve the use of firearms in 2010.
FBI ? Expanded Homicide Data
The vast majority of homicides with a firearm were committed using a handgun, not an assault weapon. Most of these guns used in these homicides are obtained on the black market. The black market is fueled by the unregulated secondary market.

What are your thoughts on gun violence in America?
What are the proposals to curtail this secondary market and make a dent in the 99% of gun violence in our country?

Interesting fact

United Kingdom	0.25 (2010)
United States	10.30 (2011)

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As these numbers are given with no context or explanation whatsoever, your post could not be more useless.

 

[Little-Acorn]

People with no money don't have discipline. The factor, again, is poverty.

That's why the murder rate and other crimes rates soared in the U.S. during the Great Depression of the 1930s and 1940, right?

Of course, crime rates didn't soar, actually. They remained the same as they had been before the Depression. The "lack of discipline" your theory predicts, never happened even when far more people and families were impoverished. This misstatement keeps getting debunked, but still keeps coming back as though it had some basis in fact.

As if poor people can't discipline their kids? I mean my God I'm honestly surprised some liberal do gooder moron hasn't suggested we pay these poor parents if their kids don't get in trouble.

This fallacy has even been offered earlier IN THIS VERY THREAD. It was routinely debunked. Now some other wishful thinker has offered it again, as though it had never been mentioned and disproven.

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It is becoming clear that the main reason the anti-gun-rights people have any arguments left at all, is because they are hoping no one knows they have already been proven wrong in every detail.

 

[Stephanie]

Open a few more Alcatrazes and lock up every gang member, mobster, etc in this country for starters. Then put the Democrat party in there with them

 

[OnePercenter]

As these numbers are given with no context or explanation whatsoever, your post could not be more useless.

It was from the link that was quoted in my post.

 

[OnePercenter]

Open a few more Alcatrazes and lock up every gang member, mobster, etc in this country for starters. Then put the Democrat party in there with them

Who is going to pay for that?

 

[2aguy]

Who is going to pay for that?

Actually, it costs us more to let these criminals run free than it does to keep them locked up...the only difference is we actually see the money for locking them up while the cost due to the crimes they commit is hidden in lives ruined, property damaged, medical costs for injuries, insurance rate hikes and pay outs....look at the cost one criminal on the loose creates....lock em up...it's cheaper...

 

[M14 Shooter]

As these numbers are given with no context or explanation whatsoever, your post could not be more useless.

It was from the link that was quoted in my post.

Your links are the wiki articles on both countries.
Care to narrow it down a little?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Inspired by "The Purge" why don't we just make Texas a 100% legal, do as you like sorta state for all the gun nuts to move to. Wanna drive a tank to work, shoot people who leave the toilet seat up, and that sort of thing move to Texas, it's like a whole other country.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Inspired by "The Purge" why don't we just make Texas a 100% legal, do as you like sorta state for all the gun nuts to move to. Wanna drive a tank to work, shoot people who leave the toilet seat up, and that sort of thing move to Texas, it's like a whole other country.

Texas?

Make it West Hollywood, San Francisco, and Seattle and I'm good.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

"How to curtail gun violence?"

Puts scientists in charge of everything.

Step 1: Make everybody read Dr. Prescott's "Body Pleasure and the Origns of Violence" 39 years ago now and people still act like they haven't got a clue why people become violent.
Article Body Pleasure and the Origins of Violence

Step 2: Revamp laws pertaining to violence and sexuality in entertainment, media, internet, etc. No legit reason to show violence as 'entertainment.' Remove all censorship though pertaining to sexuality since everybody wants to do that but no one sane wants to be the victim of violence.

Step 3: Pass a Constitutional Amendment actionally forbidding any discussion of religion in government and government sponsored enviroments. As it is so-called 'separation of church and state' isn't a matter of law so much as a consequence. If we make it a law though it'll get out of government and stay at home and in church where it belongs. The relationship between religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam and violence are well-established.

Step 4: Slash defense spending and redirect money saved there to Arts, healthcare, and other programs of social uplift as per Dr. King's,
"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom."

Further steps as warranted.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Who is going to pay for that?

Mom wants you to put the bong down, turn off Call of Duty, and go upstairs and do the dishes. She says you need to start helping out or she'll kick you out of the basement.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Mom wants you to put the bong down, turn off Call of Duty, and go upstairs and do the dishes. She says you need to start helping out or she'll kick you out of the basement.

Yuu have a very cool Mom. Mine'd flood the basement after locking the door before telling me to put a bong down. Sorta zero tolerance family.

 

[2aguy]

The relationship between religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam and violence are well-established.

As is atheism and mass murder...the 20th century was all on the atheists, wether they were in Germany, China, Russia or any of their satellites...and keep in mind...the atheists couldn't blame a feudal society for the violence...they murdered their citizens in the most modern of times in some of the most modern countries in the world...so if anything...ban atheism...those guys aren't held in check by anyone...at least with Judaism and Christianity God has the 10 commandments...and if those were followed we would be a lot more peaceful

 

[2aguy]

Slash defense spending

So you would prefer that foreigners to come here and conduct the violence...since defense spending prevents that...ask the early Americans who were here before the Europeans came if in retrospect...perhaps they should have spent more on their defense spending...

 

[2aguy]

Hmmm....

A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom."

Well, since the opposite of this is happening in Europe...massive social welfare spending and very little on their own military...since America does all the heavy lifting...perhaps they will have to rethink that philosophy now that Russia and China, and ISIS are getting frisky again and we have decided to "spend more money on programs of social uplift" instead of on the military...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yuu have a very cool Mom. Mine'd flood the basement after locking the door before telling me to put a bong down. Sorta zero tolerance family.

You have to give Onepercenter a break - he's only 35 - not enough time to finish high school and get a job yet....

 

[OnePercenter]

Your links are the wiki articles on both countries.
Care to narrow it down a little?

So what? Are they wrong?

 

[OnePercenter]

You have to give Onepercenter a break - he's only 35 - not enough time to finish high school and get a job yet....

Do you have a point to make or is bloviating your favorite past time?

 

[asaratis]

So, how do we curtail violence?

A couple of observations;

The less educated, the less well off, the more violent people are. Desperation leads to people who engage in violence. A man who's kids are hungry is libel to do anything to feed them.

So how do we increase education among people who are openly hostile to education? Those who equate education with "going white?" How do we decrease poverty among those who are unable to defer gratification in favor of future reward?

You're right that we have a violence problem, but what do we actually do to address it?

Do you have any scientific data to support your claims? My experience suggests to me that there is some correlation between low intelligence and short fuses, but this does necessarily lead to violence.