How do those on the left defend this?

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

If a trans woman has had surgery and no longer has a penis should they be in the men’s room or women’s room?

Unless you're a biological woman, you go into the men's room. Pretty simple. That would be my rule.

Now you’re contradicting yourself again. Do you want this biological woman in the men’s room or women’s room. I speak English but you’re not speaking clearly.

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All biological women in women's rooms. All trans (men and women) in men's rooms along with men. I am not playing your little game of one off examples, leftist. Nice try though.

Haha, how dare I use real life examples to question your ignorant theories. I apologize. A trans male like in the photo I showed you is a biological women. So according to your rules “she” as you would call her should be in the women’s room. Is that correct?

ALL TRANS in men's room. Once a biological women becomes trans she goes into the men's room. Do I need to spell it out further? Men are the stronger gender/sex and can handle weirdos. Women should be forced to deal with that.

At what point does she become trans? Like putting on blue jeans and a flannel or does it take more?

At any point she/he chooses. If you identify as trans use the men's room.

Is there any point where they are banned from the women’s room? Or do they always have that as an option too?

 

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Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

Exactly! Thank you! There were how many women and girls in that locker room? And exactly ONE delusional penis-bearer. But Mr. Dangly's feelings trumped those of all those females.

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

I specifically said what happened in the spa was wrong. Yet you lie about my words. Try and keep up

 

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Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

If a trans woman has had surgery and no longer has a penis should they be in the men’s room or women’s room?

Unless you're a biological woman, you go into the men's room. Pretty simple. That would be my rule.

Now you’re contradicting yourself again. Do you want this biological woman in the men’s room or women’s room. I speak English but you’re not speaking clearly.

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All biological women in women's rooms. All trans (men and women) in men's rooms along with men. I am not playing your little game of one off examples, leftist. Nice try though.

Haha, how dare I use real life examples to question your ignorant theories. I apologize. A trans male like in the photo I showed you is a biological women. So according to your rules “she” as you would call her should be in the women’s room. Is that correct?

ALL TRANS in men's room. Once a biological women becomes trans she goes into the men's room. Do I need to spell it out further? Men are the stronger gender/sex and can handle weirdos. Women should be forced to deal with that.

At what point does she become trans? Like putting on blue jeans and a flannel or does it take more?

At any point she/he chooses. If you identify as trans use the men's room.

Is there any point where they are banned from the women’s room? Or do they always have that as an option too?

Once you are trans you are banned. That would be my rule.

 

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Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

Exactly! Thank you! There were how many women and girls in that locker room? And exactly ONE delusional penis-bearer. But Mr. Dangly's feelings trumped those of all those females.

Haha no, not exactly!!! Principles of human rights and discrimination are not dependent on numbers and percentages. Principle are principles so standards on how people are treated and included or not included in our society need to be figured out at face value

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

I specifically said what happened in the spa was wrong. Yet you lie about my words. Try and keep up

Why was it wrong? In your world, the feelings of 1 person trump that of 1mil....? Now you're all over the place.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

Exactly! Thank you! There were how many women and girls in that locker room? And exactly ONE delusional penis-bearer. But Mr. Dangly's feelings trumped those of all those females.

Haha no, not exactly!!! Principles of human rights and discrimination are not dependent on numbers and percentages. Principle are principles so standards on how people are treated and included or not included in our society need to be figured out at face value

So the people in the locker room who feel as though their rights are violated do not matter? I see. Most interesting perspective.

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

If a trans woman has had surgery and no longer has a penis should they be in the men’s room or women’s room?

Unless you're a biological woman, you go into the men's room. Pretty simple. That would be my rule.

Now you’re contradicting yourself again. Do you want this biological woman in the men’s room or women’s room. I speak English but you’re not speaking clearly.

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All biological women in women's rooms. All trans (men and women) in men's rooms along with men. I am not playing your little game of one off examples, leftist. Nice try though.

Haha, how dare I use real life examples to question your ignorant theories. I apologize. A trans male like in the photo I showed you is a biological women. So according to your rules “she” as you would call her should be in the women’s room. Is that correct?

ALL TRANS in men's room. Once a biological women becomes trans she goes into the men's room. Do I need to spell it out further? Men are the stronger gender/sex and can handle weirdos. Women should be forced to deal with that.

At what point does she become trans? Like putting on blue jeans and a flannel or does it take more?

At any point she/he chooses. If you identify as trans use the men's room.

Is there any point where they are banned from the women’s room? Or do they always have that as an option too?

Once you are trans you are banned. That would be my rule.

Perfect so all that’s left is for you to open your spa. May I recommend a name?? “Douches”

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

I specifically said what happened in the spa was wrong. Yet you lie about my words. Try and keep up

Why was it wrong? In your world, the feelings of 1 person trump that of 1mil....? Now you're all over the place.

It’s pretty clear that you don’t understand “my world” nor are you interested in learning what my perspective is. You’re here looking to fight and insult

 

[Bobob]

Woman Outraged At Spa For Letting Trans In Women's Room: Are You OK With A Man Showing His Penis Around Girls?

A woman at Los Angeles-area spa Wi Spa yelled at employees after suffering a traumatic event of a man (unclear if the person was a trans woman) walking through the women's locker room with "his penis hanging out." The video showed another woman asking for a refund from the spa with the woman...

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A woman at Los Angeles-area spa Wi Spa yelled at employees after suffering a traumatic event of a man (unclear if the person was a trans woman) walking through the women's locker room with "his penis hanging out." The video showed another woman asking for a refund from the spa with the woman behind the camera supporting her.


#1) 100% political --- biological male using a women's locker room and walking around with their junk for little girls to see? Don't care how they identify, this is not OK

#2) How is that not spitting in the face of women's rights?

#3) Yet another reason people are fleeing California.


Let's see Leftists defend this. The country is falling apart. This lady is 100% right! Yet another reason why the Democratic Party has gone utterly insane.

Thank you....

Trust the Science
Truth over Facts

I agree that it is out of order for that to happen. I don't know any Dems who would support that scenario.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

If a trans woman has had surgery and no longer has a penis should they be in the men’s room or women’s room?

Unless you're a biological woman, you go into the men's room. Pretty simple. That would be my rule.

Now you’re contradicting yourself again. Do you want this biological woman in the men’s room or women’s room. I speak English but you’re not speaking clearly.

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All biological women in women's rooms. All trans (men and women) in men's rooms along with men. I am not playing your little game of one off examples, leftist. Nice try though.

Haha, how dare I use real life examples to question your ignorant theories. I apologize. A trans male like in the photo I showed you is a biological women. So according to your rules “she” as you would call her should be in the women’s room. Is that correct?

ALL TRANS in men's room. Once a biological women becomes trans she goes into the men's room. Do I need to spell it out further? Men are the stronger gender/sex and can handle weirdos. Women should be forced to deal with that.

At what point does she become trans? Like putting on blue jeans and a flannel or does it take more?

At any point she/he chooses. If you identify as trans use the men's room.

Is there any point where they are banned from the women’s room? Or do they always have that as an option too?

Once you are trans you are banned. That would be my rule.

Perfect so all that’s left is for you to open your spa. May I recommend a name?? “Douches”

So I could attract people like you? Wonderful

 

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Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

I specifically said what happened in the spa was wrong. Yet you lie about my words. Try and keep up

Why was it wrong? In your world, the feelings of 1 person trump that of 1mil....? Now you're all over the place.

It’s pretty clear that you don’t understand “my world” nor are you interested in learning what my perspective is. You’re here looking to fight and insult

I believe I understand it perfectly. You said culture is why girls are feminine and men are masculine. Lol

 

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Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

Exactly! Thank you! There were how many women and girls in that locker room? And exactly ONE delusional penis-bearer. But Mr. Dangly's feelings trumped those of all those females.

Haha no, not exactly!!! Principles of human rights and discrimination are not dependent on numbers and percentages. Principle are principles so standards on how people are treated and included or not included in our society need to be figured out at face value

So the people in the locker room who feel as though their rights are violated do not matter? I see. Most interesting perspective.

Those people matter very much. Thanks for speaking for me again. Wrong as usual.

 

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Woman Outraged At Spa For Letting Trans In Women's Room: Are You OK With A Man Showing His Penis Around Girls?

A woman at Los Angeles-area spa Wi Spa yelled at employees after suffering a traumatic event of a man (unclear if the person was a trans woman) walking through the women's locker room with "his penis hanging out." The video showed another woman asking for a refund from the spa with the woman...

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A woman at Los Angeles-area spa Wi Spa yelled at employees after suffering a traumatic event of a man (unclear if the person was a trans woman) walking through the women's locker room with "his penis hanging out." The video showed another woman asking for a refund from the spa with the woman behind the camera supporting her.


#1) 100% political --- biological male using a women's locker room and walking around with their junk for little girls to see? Don't care how they identify, this is not OK

#2) How is that not spitting in the face of women's rights?

#3) Yet another reason people are fleeing California.


Let's see Leftists defend this. The country is falling apart. This lady is 100% right! Yet another reason why the Democratic Party has gone utterly insane.

Thank you....

Trust the Science
Truth over Facts

I agree that it is out of order for that to happen. I don't know any Dems who would support that scenario.

Slade3200 would. He identifies as a leftist loon

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

Exactly! Thank you! There were how many women and girls in that locker room? And exactly ONE delusional penis-bearer. But Mr. Dangly's feelings trumped those of all those females.

Haha no, not exactly!!! Principles of human rights and discrimination are not dependent on numbers and percentages. Principle are principles so standards on how people are treated and included or not included in our society need to be figured out at face value

So the people in the locker room who feel as though their rights are violated do not matter? I see. Most interesting perspective.

Those people matter very much. Thanks for speaking for me again. Wrong as usual.

More double speak. So how would you have handled the situation?

 

[Slade3200]

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

I specifically said what happened in the spa was wrong. Yet you lie about my words. Try and keep up

Why was it wrong? In your world, the feelings of 1 person trump that of 1mil....? Now you're all over the place.

It’s pretty clear that you don’t understand “my world” nor are you interested in learning what my perspective is. You’re here looking to fight and insult

I believe I understand it perfectly. You said culture is why girls are feminine and men are masculine. Lol

You may believe it but that doesn’t make it true

 

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Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

Exactly! Thank you! There were how many women and girls in that locker room? And exactly ONE delusional penis-bearer. But Mr. Dangly's feelings trumped those of all those females.

Haha no, not exactly!!! Principles of human rights and discrimination are not dependent on numbers and percentages. Principle are principles so standards on how people are treated and included or not included in our society need to be figured out at face value

So the people in the locker room who feel as though their rights are violated do not matter? I see. Most interesting perspective.

Those people matter very much. Thanks for speaking for me again. Wrong as usual.

More double speak. So how would you have handled the situation?

I would have told her to go buy a cake from a Colorado baker of the few and move on.

 

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Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

I specifically said what happened in the spa was wrong. Yet you lie about my words. Try and keep up

Why was it wrong? In your world, the feelings of 1 person trump that of 1mil....? Now you're all over the place.

It’s pretty clear that you don’t understand “my world” nor are you interested in learning what my perspective is. You’re here looking to fight and insult

I believe I understand it perfectly. You said culture is why girls are feminine and men are masculine. Lol

You may believe it but that doesn’t make it true

It’s actually not true but you believe it.

 

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Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

Sure the whole nudity tabboo thing is likely cultural since all humans likely were running around naked together at some time in the past when clothes had not yet been invented.
But it does not matter if it is all cultural or not, as long as that is how people feel.
So it does not matter if one person has different values, they still do not get to impose their values on others.

Of course it matters, I ever suggested otherwise. But with all these scientist geniuses here I’m pointing out that a large part of these social “norms” are not biological, they are socially constructed standards for what we say is a normal woman and a normal man. They don’t seem to get that

Having a penis is a social norm? Covering breasts is a social norm? Ladies dress us as you alluded go in order to attract a male mate. Duh. It’s not a social construct it’s life and it’s need to breed and reproduce.

Having a penis is not a social norm. I never said it was. Covering breasts is as you just proved. If females dress to attract males then they would not cover breasts as males are attracted to breasts. Cultures have trained us to cover up for sociological and cultural reasoThis is your uote

Why send them to a hospital, they aren’t hurting anybody.

Denying the very real harm that every sane person can clearly see is being caused by this madness does not make it go away.

What’s the real harm? Explain it to me

My daughter playing lacrosse against a biological boy who checks her and she goes flying and hurts herself...real harm. Would you like me to simplify that for you or did that suffice?

You’re talking about sports which I said is a valid debate… granted I’m sure there are other large and athletic girls that can check and injure other girls… but that’s a different debate and wasn’t the harm I or Bobby boy here was talking about.

But that is real harm and yes there could be large girls but few if any are large and quick a boys can be. You also mentioned some she males or whatever. If you look at female body builders they look like men too but they are females!

Understood, which is why I’m saying sports is a valid debate to have. Olympics and other sporting events have standards to qualify people. But I’m not talking about that kind of harm. We should discuss and debate the proper time and place for trans people to play sports and use gender specific facilities. But Bobby was talking about a societal harm and that’s what the discussion was about

The harm that creates is confusion for little kids. Tough to measure but the whole pronoun thing and such is bizarre to many. We won't see the real harm for years IMO, but soon kids who become adults and regret their decisions to transition and such will become prevalent and create a whole new set of issues IMO.

Confusion comes from adults when some tell kids that men can't be woman and others say that men can be women and then the kids get mixed up in these ridiculous kind of arguments that we see on message boards like this. Kids don't care, they just want to play and do their thing. Once the world can accept that Trans is a real thing and then move on to rationally find ways to integrate them into our society then it will be less confusing for children and easier to handle. Unfortunately I think we are decades away from that.

You missed the point of my post entirely. Not a surprise. Kids do care. My kids find these kids to be weird and odd.

Well I wonder why... Do you think the fact that their parents find these kids weird and odd might have something to do with it? Do you think that if they had parents that taught them how to be understanding and accepting of those who are different then perhaps they wouldn't be concerned about it?

How holier than thou of you. Many do find this odd. I spoke to a lady who has five kids and one is trans and I asked her how it feels. Her response "It is like losing a child". It is interesting how you on the LEFT and you are on the LEFT, vilify those that think disparately from you. Kids think its weird when a biological girl or boy states they are the opposite gender. That is simple human nature. I find it odd. I believe these kids need to speak to a specialist to make sure that there are no other underlying issues. Funny how you don't see that side of the coin.

I vilify those who label, judge, discriminate, shame and try to ostracize others whom are innocent. It’s not a holier than thou thing as much as it’s sticking up for the “little” guy thing… I do think it’s a shame if parents are teaching their kids to be bigoted against others and I think it’s even sadder then it translates to parents who can’t accept their children for who they are. Children being gay has broken up families for decades now. Thankfully parents are growing more accepting

It says much about you that you characterize the man exposing his penis as the innocent one, and not the women and children towards whom he exposed it.

If he REALLY thought he was a woman, there would be no penis to expose. It would have been removed as the obvious evidence that he wasn't.

To leftists they want to make 99.9% uncomfortable to make the .01% comfortable and if you disagree with their lunacy they call you a bigot as Slade3200 just did and try to shame you to thinking like they do. Playbook 101.

Exactly.


And it is all for what is essentially a very selfish reason - they seek praise from others. That's what all this lunacy is all about as virtue signaling is simply a Pavlovian conditioned response. They say the proscribed thing, and their little mates reward them by considering them virtuous.

It really has gotten to the point where having even a scan of common sense disqualifies a person from being a Democrat.

Haha, sounds like you got it all figured out!

You should try being honest with yourself. It would be a big first step. So you don’t see it as natural that most 11 yr olds would find a trans kid creepy or odd? Come on man. You’re naive. Explains why your businesses failed.

I think its very natural that kids would find anything different than they have been exposed to as odd. Thats why I'm saying good parents teach them about these things and the appropriate whey to react. Which business of mine failed again? Can you share with the group which one failed and why? No you can't, because you no nothing about me. You're switching to troll mode like you always do when you lose control of a debate.

Nope. If a boy suddenly says they are a girl, that is odd. If a boy says I am Iron Man, they will laugh. The ones that failed are the ones you abandoned to start new ones. And you are dodging my Wonder Woman question. Once again, you debate dishonesty. Par for the course for you.

What’s your Wonderwoman question? I didn’t see it.

Bullshit. How convenient. I asked you that if I said I was Wonder Woman, would you then call me Wonder Woman.

Sure, if you wanted me to call you Wonder Woman then I would call you Wonder Woman. Why not. Who’s it hurting?

But, of course, the government would force you to BELIEVE he is Wonder Woman and treat him as if he IS Wonder Woman.

This is the mind of a leftist. Case in point. “Who is it hurting”? LOL

As you must already know, I have always felt like I was a royal trapped in the body of a commoner. Even as a youngster, I enunciated all my words with crisp precision, knew the proper place settings for an entire panoply of eating utensils, and always gave a subtle little wave to passers by when being driven about town to let them know I was acknowledging all their adoration.

I truly believe my time has come, and now that I know I have plenty of woke support, I'm going to march right up to Buckinham palace and DEMAND to move right in.

After all, in our brave new woketopia, what I feel is all that matters, and since I feel it, all others must accommodate me accordingly.

Do you people realize how dumb y’all sound when you try and relate trans to animals, superhero’s other random things. I get that your trying make the trans movement as stupid as those things you bring up but it’s just a retarded argument that shows how little you understand about the situation

You argue from an entitely subjective viewpoint, namely, that a person is whoever they think they are.

Most of the rest of us are arguing according to an objective viewpoint - that people are what they actually are.

Those who are so abjectly incapable of even the scantest degree of objectivity have no business calling others stupid.

Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural. Long hair, dresses, make up. Who says that those need to be feminine things? Some men may relate with that personality more and want to be that way. Some to the point where they want to alter their anatomy through drugs or surgery. Just like some people get nose jobs and breast implants. I think this is obvious. Why do I need to explain it to you? Do you really not get it?

So every single culture in the world adopted these? Men are physically stronger, bigger and taller most of the time. Women give birth 100% of the time. That is not a “cultural thing”. Eating burgers is a cultural thing. You are such a zombie.

I never said those things you listed were cultural did I? Dresses, make up, high heels, fashion, etc etc. those are the Troyes of things I’m talking about. Do you consider those cultural?

Not what you said. Want me to quote you? LOL

Yes

You did not say this? Because it’s the dumbest statement of all time. So it’s cultural that women give birth and men have a penis? You are one interesting person.


“Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural” - Slade3200

Slade3200 here is your quote. You will likely make my wall of fame. Congratulations for being tied with the morons already on it. Immorality is yours.

Yup, not me saying what you claimed I said. Thanks for playing

It’s your quote. Should we get a Mod to resolve this. If that is not your exact quote, I leave this board forever and if it is, you leave this Board forever. Deal?

It’s my quote not saying what you claimed I said . You think I was including biology. I wasn’t and explained in detail what I was talking about. You're a moron

It’s your ******* quote. What the **** are you talking about? I am supposed to read meaning into it? You are a liar. Period. End of story. I did not change one word.

I’m not disputing the accuracy of my quote retard. I wrote that sentence and then I wrote more and was specific in that I was not talking about biology I was talking about gender identity and how our culture defines and characterizes a man from a woman which is why I can send you photos of men dressed as women wearing make up and you wouldn’t be able to tell if they are a man or a woman

I can send you photos of dogs in sweaters. What does that have to do with anything. One may always find outliers. At the heart of culture is biology and the need to find a mate or mates. Even gays. They have gay bars. Why? So they can find mates. Duh….

Men and women are vastly different due to biology first and foremost. You are very stupid.

I’ve never challenged that notion. It’s funny to hear somebody who is completely misunderstanding me call me stupid. Carry on though with more pointless examples if you think they are effective.

Except you did and I quoted you. Then you tried to state you didn’t mean what you said.

I explained exactly what I meant and never denied a biological role. You’re just in troll mode trying to win a fake fight. Intellect has left the building

Your beck pedaling is funny. So you said one thing but meant another? LOL

I said exactly what I meant and I explained it several times. Not my problem if you don’t get it. You are trying to harp on one line while ignoring everything else I said. Troll tactic for the weak minded. How about you just just debate the actual points I make instead of trying to to twist the things I say out of context.

I quoted You directly. If you say, I like the color red but really meant pink, it’s not my problem. You have made a fool out of yourself yet again.

Says they guy who can’t understand the simple points I make. My quote is just fine, you just don’t understand what I’m talking about. That’s your problem. I’ve explained it enough

Hmmmm….no one here understands your point and I quoted you word for word. So we are all crazy and you’re the sane one…keep telling yourself that.

No one?! Haha you mean none of the partisan hack right wingers?! Rugby seemed to get it pretty easily. The things I’m saying aren’t complicated. Just need to take your troll goggles off.

Rigby didn’t agree with you. You’re insane.

I said Rigby got it. You didn’t.

What you actually said and have since denied is this: "Most the things that make a man and man and a woman a woman is cultural"

Ignoring your butchering of the English language for a moment, I would say that If Rigby "got it", I can only pity him because that would make him as uneducated as you.

I said that and followed it by many more sentences that described what I was talking about. When asked about the biological element I never once denied that scientific and anatomical factor and I repeated several times that I was talking about the cultural elements of what define men and women. The elements that trans people gravitate to and emulate. The elements they are put off and repelled by. I listed examples. But instead of comprehending and engaging in a real debate, the trolls decided to cherry pick that one sentence and mischaracterize my message. It’s pretty weak and pathetic.

No Trolls.


Only honest people with educational levels far beyond yours.

If that’s the case then why do they lie about the things I say just to try and win a debate? Smart people accurately comprehend and then debate the substance of the argument. The last few pages full of dishonest interpretations of one sentence of a statement I made is just childish trolling. We all know it.

They are your words and no we don’t all know it. You said it, you meant it, Leftist.

I said it, I meant it, you distorted it, I explained it, you’re still confused about it or you are trolling. Simple enough

Bullshit. I quoted you word for word. So what did I distort, leftist? You've also been lying, saying you're moderate. LOL. Yeah, OK. Liar!

Call me whatever you want. I consider myself moderate. That’s not a lie. I vote for Reps, Dems and independents. You like to call names and ignorantly label people.
That’s trolling IMO

So there are as many trans out there as people over 6'9. So should we start building houses, hotel rooms, bathrooms, airplane seats and such for these people. In their case they cannot help their height in the trans case they can help what they will and will not do. I quoted you word for word. You are about as moderate as Ilhan Omar.

You quoted a sentence and ignored the rest of the statement dumbass. We both know what you did. Stop pretending.

build your house as big as you want, I don’t care

Rest of what. Feel free to post what you posted in its entirety then, dumbass.

Why would I need to repost? Are you going to pretend that I never said that biology was absolutely a factor but I was talking about the cultural contortions made for how we define male and females? Are you going to pretend that you didnt see me explain it in detail several times and list examples like the way we dress, act, look, and what role the “normal” male and female plays in our society? Don’t be an idiot AzOg. You saw the points I was making and decided to hone in on one sentence, take it out of context and troll me. It’s weak

You said cultural factors are MOST responsible. Stop your lies, leftist. Only idiot I see is you.

Repost it then and lets re-read it together since you're a child.

Yes dumbshit they are. Kids who want to transition are not mostly girls wanting to have penis’s and boys wanting vaginas. they relate more with the cultural characterizations of what a “male” is. Looks, lifestyle, societal roles.

You try and make this whole thing about science and biology but you dismiss the crux of the issue which is about identity and psychology and sociology. What we have made “masculine” and “feminine” to be in our culture. I’m sorry if this is all over your head. You obviously don’t want to talk serious about it and are more concerned to troll and name call and harp on one sentence that you’re taking out of context. Grow up

You are sorry. Biology is what defines the cultural norms. Boys don't know what its like to be a girl and vice versa. They may think they do but they don't. Girls are more emotional, smaller, weaker, more sensitive, etc. Boys are stronger, more rambunctious, less emotional, and generally more driven and smarter post puberty. That is how nature made us. The cultural norms are driven by that biology. Hence most boys play with trucks, swords, guns, etc. Most men watch contact sports. Most women like romantic comedies and such. I am raising two young daughters, as much as I'd love for them to watch the Pats with me, they prefer girly things. The older they get the girlier they get btw. That is pure biology. So now your sentence was taken out of context? Next you'll tell me your account was hacked. LOL.

No shit sherlock. Cultural definitions are based on biology that’s a given, I never took issue with that so why do you keep repeating it? I was pointing out that most of the issues involved in this movement were based on the cultural definitions and not biological (sexual anatomy)You’re so far off the topic of what we were discussing because you seem obsessed with trying to make me look bad or trying to “win” an argument that nobody cares about. Get a life.

The LGBT movement, trans, pronouns etc is a counter culture movement against the societal “norms” that have tried to define male and female. Do you get that? It’s not just dicks and tits. Some people identify as “male” some “female” some both some none. Some as the opposite gender as their sex. I know it’s all very confusing to you. Keep it simple and troll away. It’s funny as shit.

I find it interesting that the gym in question caters to the LBGTQ community and posts on the door that transgender are welcome. Also, that the complainer Karen doesn't believe in transgender people and wants the gym to cater to her.

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

Interesting. I wasn’t aware that the gym had postings about where transgenders should go

She should do the capitalist thing and find a new gym.

OK, but does the gym state that a person with male body parts may just expose them in a female locker room when kids are present? I am guessing she will do that. So you are OK with a dude doing that in the ladies locker room? Yes or no?

I think if it is posted and known that the locker room is for women and trans women then that is fine. I’d probably make a distinction between pre and post op and the issues of nudity should be addressed. Definitely think it is a worthy discussion to be had so that there are no surprises. Trans people do need to have a place to go and right now our society is not clear as we are in the process of figuring it out.

Trans people should use the men's room. Pretty simple. Men aren't offended as easily if at all. Throwing penises around a women's locker room is inappropriate, regardless how someone identifies.

Except when I showed you photos of Trans men you said you didn’t want them in the women’s room which is where their biology should put them per your statements. So what is it? Where should they go?

Put everyone sans biological women in the men's room. Not sure what part of that you don't understand. Do you speak English? Read English?

Ok party in the men’s room. Got it! You’re so smart

Men are the stronger sex. So yes, much less chance of any abuse there. Or do you disagree with that as well?

I have no doubt that a trans woman in a mens lockerroom is much more likely to be abused than a trans woman abusing straight girls in a women’s room. I would agree with you there

Nope. You're just trolling now. Again, we are debating less than 1% of the population. In your world what happened at the spa was justified. I get it. Run along now and burn a police station.

In the real world… actually in Thai thread a specifically said that what happened in the spa was not ok. But you go ahead and keep lying about the things I say. Seems to be your new thing

Was that English?

"actually in Thai thread a specifically said"a

Autocorrect. “Actually in this thread I specifically said…” you couldn’t figure that out?! Haha

Specifically said what? That you cannot defend it? Therein lies the point 99.9% of us should not be dancing around the less than 1%.

Exactly! Thank you! There were how many women and girls in that locker room? And exactly ONE delusional penis-bearer. But Mr. Dangly's feelings trumped those of all those females.

Haha no, not exactly!!! Principles of human rights and discrimination are not dependent on numbers and percentages. Principle are principles so standards on how people are treated and included or not included in our society need to be figured out at face value

So the people in the locker room who feel as though their rights are violated do not matter? I see. Most interesting perspective.

Those people matter very much. Thanks for speaking for me again. Wrong as usual.

More double speak. So how would you have handled the situation?

I would have told her to go buy a cake from a Colorado baker of the few and move on.

You’re an idiot