How do good Americans and our democracy benefit from diversity again?

[pismoe]

hey , its YOU always bring up that Backwater of the world called Poland SOB .

Appalachia's not a backwater, huh?

--------------------------------------- SURE it is , nice area Historic though , many good people both Black and White , many poor and you can call the area known as Appalachia a backwater if you like , ok with me . Still Appalachia , a Backwater is only a small portion of the worlds leader NATION known as the USA SOB !!

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

hey , its YOU always bring up that Backwater of the world called Poland SOB .

Appalachia's not a backwater, huh?

--------------------------------------- SURE it is , nice area Historic though , many good people both Black and White , many poor and you can call the area known as Appalachia a backwater if you like , ok with me . Still Appalachia , a Backwater is only a small portion of the worlds leader NATION known as the USA SOB !!

In 2016 Tennessee had a murder rate more than 2X higher than New York?

Explain how Black, and White Appalachians are better than us in NY?

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

 

[pismoe]

and i have no problem with Poles or Poland even though they are Catholic , I just said that the USA / America was founded and formed , its foundations laid , its laws made by ' White Protestant Males ' all coming from a very small area of the World SOB .

All Protestant nations except Finland, are very pro-diversity, even the U.S.A. (Don't let this forum fool you, this forum isn't really representing the U.S.A)

----------------------------------------------- WHO cares , its a message board and as i have always said . I am an older healthy guy but even with good health i will not live forever . I see problems coming but i see these problems coming for the youngers and their kids in the next generations unless they wake up and change their ways and stupid thinking SOB .

 

[pismoe]

hey , its YOU always bring up that Backwater of the world called Poland SOB .

Appalachia's not a backwater, huh?

--------------------------------------- SURE it is , nice area Historic though , many good people both Black and White , many poor and you can call the area known as Appalachia a backwater if you like , ok with me . Still Appalachia , a Backwater is only a small portion of the worlds leader NATION known as the USA SOB !!

In 2016 Tennessee had a murder rate more than 2X higher than New York?

Explain how Black, and White Appalachians are better than us in NY?

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

------------------------------------ who cares , i do not FEAR being murdered or much of anything SOB !!

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

and i have no problem with Poles or Poland even though they are Catholic , I just said that the USA / America was founded and formed , its foundations laid , its laws made by ' White Protestant Males ' all coming from a very small area of the World SOB .

All Protestant nations except Finland, are very pro-diversity, even the U.S.A. (Don't let this forum fool you, this forum isn't really representing the U.S.A)

----------------------------------------------- WHO cares , its a message board and as i have always said . I am an older healthy guy but even with good health i will not live forever . I see problems coming but i see these problems coming for the youngers and their kids in the next generations unless they wake up and change their ways and stupid thinking SOB .

Well, I really don't like Catholic Puerto Ricans, and Dominicans, especially, as for Mexicans, Guatemalans, Peruvians, and Ecuadorian Catholics I don't care for them, but like them slightly more than PR's, and Dominicans.

In fact, I don't even like a lot of Catholic Italians, either.

But, a lot of Polish, Irish, Czech, Hungarian, and Slovak Catholics are fine people.

As for Protestants, can't say I'm too fond of English, or German Protestant brutality, but enough I've met have been decent people.

I do like Swedish, and Norwegian Protestants, are usually fine people too.

I don't like almost any Black Protestants... Black people in general have the worst attitude problems in the U.S.A..

To me it's all about race, not about religion....

 

[cnelsen]

That was the Dutch. But once we accepted tolerance of all religions, turning our backs on the original views of the Blessed Puritans ... our Christian Nation was doomed to become the shining beacon of liberty

-------------------------------- so mistakes may have been made after Americas Founding Ben . My only point is that it was White , male Protestants that built the Foundations , Laws , Constitution , Bill of RIGHTS and other building blocks for the USA Ben .

I understand that, and it's true. But imo you are presuming some lack of diversity among white male protestants, when in fact they were a diverse lot themselves. For example, Roger Williams was perhaps the first "American" abolitionist. He'd have been tarred and feathered in the southern colonies if he proposed emancipating slaves. The Puritans fled England because - essentially - they wanted a state religion in that they opposed Elizabethan tolerance of papists. Penn and the Quakers had a similar background in intolerance, even though the Puritans in America persecuted early Quakers, only coming around to "accommodation" later.

-------------------------------------------------------- won't argue as it looks like simply having Protestant White Males provides enough Diversity as Protestant White Males that formed this Greatest Nation ever known have differing opinions or Diversity of Thought and they work from that Diversity Ben .

So, if you're White Protestants of America were so great without diversity? Why did they import so many Blacks, Hispanics, and others?

--------------------------------------------- mornin SOB , ALL i ever said was that White Male PROTESTANTS from a very small area of the world built the USA from the very beginning and that is historical fact . And the USA is the Best and only superpower and most powerful nation in the world that the world relies on to save them [see the airlift in Germany after we and Allies destroyed Germany in ww2 plus our rebuilding of Japan] Also mistakes have been made in the USA as Protestants are not perfect . I also pointed out falling down Societies built by Catholics that i am familiar with in S. America . And who can argue that 'south america' isn't a falling down group of third world countries or nations built by Catholics and built right on Americas door step . ----------- in closing , it is true that Columbus , a Catholic i suppose got the ball rolling in the New World with his Discovery of the New World in 1492 SOB !!

And in fact it can be narrowed to a particular time in a particular river valley in Germany that produced the modern world

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

hey , its YOU always bring up that Backwater of the world called Poland SOB .

Appalachia's not a backwater, huh?

--------------------------------------- SURE it is , nice area Historic though , many good people both Black and White , many poor and you can call the area known as Appalachia a backwater if you like , ok with me . Still Appalachia , a Backwater is only a small portion of the worlds leader NATION known as the USA SOB !!

I don't think anywhere's more historic in the U.S.A than New York, having West Point, George Washington's Headquarters, the Battle of Saratoga, the Battle of Ticonderoga, the Hudson Valley River school of art, the Erie Canal, and Whitehall New York birth of the U.S Navy (Among others)

 

[pismoe]

and i have no problem with Poles or Poland even though they are Catholic , I just said that the USA / America was founded and formed , its foundations laid , its laws made by ' White Protestant Males ' all coming from a very small area of the World SOB .

All Protestant nations except Finland, are very pro-diversity, even the U.S.A. (Don't let this forum fool you, this forum isn't really representing the U.S.A)

----------------------------------------------- WHO cares , its a message board and as i have always said . I am an older healthy guy but even with good health i will not live forever . I see problems coming but i see these problems coming for the youngers and their kids in the next generations unless they wake up and change their ways and stupid thinking SOB .

Well, I really don't like Catholic Puerto Ricans, and Dominicans, especially, as for Mexicans, Guatemalans, Peruvians, and Ecuadorian Catholics I don't care for them, but like them slightly more than PR's, and Dominicans.

In fact, I don't even like a lot of Catholic Italians, either.

But, a lot of Polish, Irish, Czech, Hungarian, and Slovak Catholics are fine people.

As for Protestants, can't say I'm too fond of English, or German Protestant brutality, but enough I've met have been decent people.

I do like Swedish, and Norwegian Protestants, are usually fine people too.

I don't like almost any Black Protestants... Black people in general have the worst attitude problems in the U.S.A..

To me it's all about race, not about religion....

------------------------------------------------------------ i don't get into RACE too much . I avoid people that i don't trust , like or want to be friendly with . My eyes help me do that . As far as Catholics go my eyes show me what they built in 'south america' and its pretty nasty when compared to what effective Protestant METHODS of building built in the USA SOB .

 

[pismoe]

hey , its YOU always bring up that Backwater of the world called Poland SOB .

Appalachia's not a backwater, huh?

--------------------------------------- SURE it is , nice area Historic though , many good people both Black and White , many poor and you can call the area known as Appalachia a backwater if you like , ok with me . Still Appalachia , a Backwater is only a small portion of the worlds leader NATION known as the USA SOB !!

I don't think anywhere's more historic in the U.S.A than New York, having West Point, George Washington's Headquarters, the Battle of Saratoga, the Battle of Ticonderoga, the Hudson Valley River school of art, the Erie Canal, and Whitehall New York birth of the U.S Navy (Among others)

---------------------------------------------------- sure i been there but i like common people and their common ways even if they are poor . Government and Public monuments buildings are cool but are built honoring government . My DAD primarily got his kids to most Historical sites on the E. Coast when he took us on vacations in summer . I won't name them all but there were many . --------------------- i like what is called OFFBEAT . As example , most people if they go to Los Angeles want to see the beaches and Disney . Me , i'll check out where the 'la' riots happened , the Watts Tower' is as well as Skid Row and then drive out to Death Valley and the still lightly inhabited Desert Ghost Towns and stay in a falling down Mom and Pop motel or camp out SOB .

 

[Unkotare]

That was the Dutch. But once we accepted tolerance of all religions, turning our backs on the original views of the Blessed Puritans ... our Christian Nation was doomed to become the shining beacon of liberty

-------------------------------- so mistakes may have been made after Americas Founding Ben . My only point is that it was White , male Protestants that built the Foundations , Laws , Constitution , Bill of RIGHTS and other building blocks for the USA Ben .

I understand that, and it's true. But imo you are presuming some lack of diversity among white male protestants, when in fact they were a diverse lot themselves. For example, Roger Williams was perhaps the first "American" abolitionist. He'd have been tarred and feathered in the southern colonies if he proposed emancipating slaves. The Puritans fled England because - essentially - they wanted a state religion in that they opposed Elizabethan tolerance of papists. Penn and the Quakers had a similar background in intolerance, even though the Puritans in America persecuted early Quakers, only coming around to "accommodation" later.

-------------------------------------------------------- won't argue as it looks like simply having Protestant White Males provides enough Diversity as Protestant White Males that formed this Greatest Nation ever known have differing opinions or Diversity of Thought and they work from that Diversity Ben .

Well, how specifically do muslim and latino immigrants act differently towards self-determination than did colonialists? That is the basic premise of this thread, that there's something "different" about these people. The Puritans did not practice free market economics. I know a muslim who is a venture capitalist. I lived next door to a latino immigrant who started and operated a business ultimately employing upwards of a hundred office cleaning folks.

-------------------------------------------------------- I think that i have said it before , my main problem with importing people is First , i don't like the population growth in the USA . .. .

Especially Catholics, right?

 

[Unkotare]

hey , its YOU always bring up that Backwater of the world called Poland SOB .

Appalachia's not a backwater, huh?

--------------------------------------- SURE it is , nice area Historic though , many good people both Black and White , many poor and you can call the area known as Appalachia a backwater if you like , ok with me . Still Appalachia , a Backwater is only a small portion of the worlds leader NATION known as the USA SOB !!

I don't think anywhere's more historic in the U.S.A than New York, having West Point, George Washington's Headquarters, the Battle of Saratoga, the Battle of Ticonderoga, the Hudson Valley River school of art, the Erie Canal, and Whitehall New York birth of the U.S Navy (Among others)

---------------------------------------------------- sure i been there but i like common people and their common ways even if they are poor . ... .

Unless they're Catholic, right?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

hey , its YOU always bring up that Backwater of the world called Poland SOB .

Appalachia's not a backwater, huh?

--------------------------------------- SURE it is , nice area Historic though , many good people both Black and White , many poor and you can call the area known as Appalachia a backwater if you like , ok with me . Still Appalachia , a Backwater is only a small portion of the worlds leader NATION known as the USA SOB !!

I don't think anywhere's more historic in the U.S.A than New York, having West Point, George Washington's Headquarters, the Battle of Saratoga, the Battle of Ticonderoga, the Hudson Valley River school of art, the Erie Canal, and Whitehall New York birth of the U.S Navy (Among others)

---------------------------------------------------- sure i been there but i like common people and their common ways even if they are poor . Government and Public monuments buildings are cool but are built honoring government . My DAD primarily got his kids to most Historical sites on the E. Coast when he took us on vacations in summer . I won't name them all but there were many . --------------------- i like what is called OFFBEAT . As example , most people if they go to Los Angeles want to see the beaches and Disney . Me , i'll check out where the 'la' riots happened , the Watts Tower' is as well as Skid Row and then drive out to Death Valley and the still lightly inhabited Desert Ghost Towns and stay in a falling down Mom and Pop motel or camp out SOB .

So, murder, and poverty are "Okay" if they're Protestant, but then a problem when they're Catholic?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

and i have no problem with Poles or Poland even though they are Catholic , I just said that the USA / America was founded and formed , its foundations laid , its laws made by ' White Protestant Males ' all coming from a very small area of the World SOB .

All Protestant nations except Finland, are very pro-diversity, even the U.S.A. (Don't let this forum fool you, this forum isn't really representing the U.S.A)

----------------------------------------------- WHO cares , its a message board and as i have always said . I am an older healthy guy but even with good health i will not live forever . I see problems coming but i see these problems coming for the youngers and their kids in the next generations unless they wake up and change their ways and stupid thinking SOB .

Well, I really don't like Catholic Puerto Ricans, and Dominicans, especially, as for Mexicans, Guatemalans, Peruvians, and Ecuadorian Catholics I don't care for them, but like them slightly more than PR's, and Dominicans.

In fact, I don't even like a lot of Catholic Italians, either.

But, a lot of Polish, Irish, Czech, Hungarian, and Slovak Catholics are fine people.

As for Protestants, can't say I'm too fond of English, or German Protestant brutality, but enough I've met have been decent people.

I do like Swedish, and Norwegian Protestants, are usually fine people too.

I don't like almost any Black Protestants... Black people in general have the worst attitude problems in the U.S.A..

To me it's all about race, not about religion....

------------------------------------------------------------ i don't get into RACE too much . I avoid people that i don't trust , like or want to be friendly with . My eyes help me do that . As far as Catholics go my eyes show me what they built in 'south america' and its pretty nasty when compared to what effective Protestant METHODS of building built in the USA SOB .

Liberia's a Protestant country....

 

[pismoe]

hey , its YOU always bring up that Backwater of the world called Poland SOB .

Appalachia's not a backwater, huh?

--------------------------------------- SURE it is , nice area Historic though , many good people both Black and White , many poor and you can call the area known as Appalachia a backwater if you like , ok with me . Still Appalachia , a Backwater is only a small portion of the worlds leader NATION known as the USA SOB !!

I don't think anywhere's more historic in the U.S.A than New York, having West Point, George Washington's Headquarters, the Battle of Saratoga, the Battle of Ticonderoga, the Hudson Valley River school of art, the Erie Canal, and Whitehall New York birth of the U.S Navy (Among others)

---------------------------------------------------- sure i been there but i like common people and their common ways even if they are poor . Government and Public monuments buildings are cool but are built honoring government . My DAD primarily got his kids to most Historical sites on the E. Coast when he took us on vacations in summer . I won't name them all but there were many . --------------------- i like what is called OFFBEAT . As example , most people if they go to Los Angeles want to see the beaches and Disney . Me , i'll check out where the 'la' riots happened , the Watts Tower' is as well as Skid Row and then drive out to Death Valley and the still lightly inhabited Desert Ghost Towns and stay in a falling down Mom and Pop motel or camp out SOB .

So, murder, and poverty are "Okay" if they're Protestant, but then a problem when they're Catholic?

------------------------------------------------- i think you are getting Frantic . hey , USA was built by White Male Protestants , compare it to south america that was primarily built by catholics . And many of the problems the USA is experiencing is caused by the catholic third worlders that are being imported into the USA , Its easy to see SOB .

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Appalachia's not a backwater, huh?

--------------------------------------- SURE it is , nice area Historic though , many good people both Black and White , many poor and you can call the area known as Appalachia a backwater if you like , ok with me . Still Appalachia , a Backwater is only a small portion of the worlds leader NATION known as the USA SOB !!

I don't think anywhere's more historic in the U.S.A than New York, having West Point, George Washington's Headquarters, the Battle of Saratoga, the Battle of Ticonderoga, the Hudson Valley River school of art, the Erie Canal, and Whitehall New York birth of the U.S Navy (Among others)

---------------------------------------------------- sure i been there but i like common people and their common ways even if they are poor . Government and Public monuments buildings are cool but are built honoring government . My DAD primarily got his kids to most Historical sites on the E. Coast when he took us on vacations in summer . I won't name them all but there were many . --------------------- i like what is called OFFBEAT . As example , most people if they go to Los Angeles want to see the beaches and Disney . Me , i'll check out where the 'la' riots happened , the Watts Tower' is as well as Skid Row and then drive out to Death Valley and the still lightly inhabited Desert Ghost Towns and stay in a falling down Mom and Pop motel or camp out SOB .

So, murder, and poverty are "Okay" if they're Protestant, but then a problem when they're Catholic?

------------------------------------------------- i think you are getting Frantic . hey , USA was built by White Male Protestants , compare it to south america that was primarily built by catholics . And many of the problems the USA is experiencing is caused by the catholic third worlders that are being imported into the USA , Its easy to see SOB .

LOL, probably nearly 90% of the murders in the U.S.A are done by Protestants, in fact we know that 51% of murders are done by Blacks whom are very Protestant....

 

[pismoe]

and last thing on my worry list is murder or povery . I stay rural all my life , murder and poverty mostly happens in big cities where third worlders all bunch up SOB .

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

and last thing on my worry list is murder or povery . I stay rural all my life , murder and poverty mostly happens in big cities where third worlders all bunch up SOB .

West Virginia's murder rate is higher than New York City's in recent years.....

It's pretty obvious that according to the data, that Whites in West Virginia are more trouble than the Whites are in NYC.

 

[EGR one]

I’m really trying hard to wrap my head around it all....how exactly do Americans and American democracy benefit from diversity? Can someone articulate that to me?
It’s seems as though all the data strongly suggests otherwise...no?
Is the data racist?
Is Japan ******* themselves...Would they be kicking a bunch more ass if they imported millions from Mexico, Central and South America? If so, someone should let them know.

Why didn’t our founding fathers think of this? They should have closed the borders right then and never let in a single foreigner after 1776


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We had a very large country that needed people. We no longer have a need for more people.

 

[pismoe]

well i say that we may have needed people at one time but that time was , in my opinion long before the floodgates were opened to third worlders in the mid 60s EGR .

 

[EGR one]

Where to draw the line on who belongs here in America and who needs to go back where they came from, or where their parents came from. This immigration is in constant flux and I wonder if the 'nativists' have a date in which there's a cutoff. People who came here before that date, they're ok. Those who came after that date? Go back to your country and don't ever return.

First of all, the people who are legally here, belong here. The rest do not belong here, and for the most part, should go back where they came from. Our immigration policy should reflect our needs as a nation, and we should take only the number of immigrants who we can integrate into our society successfully.