How come Lincoln got away with shutting down hundreds of newspapers and jailed journalists

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the confederate constitution banned further imports of slaves, and the writings of Jefferson Davis showed he knew slavery was ending

Those of you who side with Lincoln can't win this argument.
He was a POS glorified by our modern liar government

The Confederate Constitution enshrined slavery permanently.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 prohibited the Confederate government from restricting slavery in any way:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Article IV, Section 2 also prohibited states from interfering with slavery:

"The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired."

Perhaps the most menacing provision of the Confederate States Constitution was the explicit protection Article IV, Section 3, Clause 3 offered to slavery in all future territories conquered or acquired by the Confederacy:

"The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several States; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."

This provision ensured the perpetuation of slavery as long and as far as the Confederate States could extend it's political reach, and more then a few Confederates had their eyes fixed on Cuba and Central and South America as objects of future conquest.

And far from predicting the end of slavery- the Confederates freely admitted that they formed the new Confederacy to protect their slavery.
“Corner Stone” Speech | Teaching American History
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

Those of you who consider the Confederate slave states to be your heroes- well you have made your bed with the slave owners

 

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the confederate constitution banned further imports of slaves, and the writings of Jefferson Davis showed he knew slavery was ending

Those of you who side with Lincoln can't win this argument.
He was a POS glorified by our modern liar government

The Confederate Constitution enshrined slavery permanently.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 prohibited the Confederate government from restricting slavery in any way:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Article IV, Section 2 also prohibited states from interfering with slavery:

"The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired."

Perhaps the most menacing provision of the Confederate States Constitution was the explicit protection Article IV, Section 3, Clause 3 offered to slavery in all future territories conquered or acquired by the Confederacy:

"The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several States; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."

This provision ensured the perpetuation of slavery as long and as far as the Confederate States could extend it's political reach, and more then a few Confederates had their eyes fixed on Cuba and Central and South America as objects of future conquest.

And far from predicting the end of slavery- the Confederates freely admitted that they formed the new Confederacy to protect their slavery.
“Corner Stone” Speech | Teaching American History
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

Those of you who consider the Confederate slave states to be your heroes- well you have made your bed with the slave owners

Virginia petitioned the crown to end slavery, denied.

2 petitions to Congress to end slavery, denied.

according to Jefferson Davis, every southern state petitioned Congress to end slavery, denied.

The federal government ruled they had no jurisdiction to end slavery, it was up to the states.
People of today can't understand a government respecting It's limitations.

James Madison said, there were other ways to end slavery.

North Carolina said it was impossible to enforce a ban on slavery.
people of today don't understand rural, and don't understand the early government had no intention of kicking people's doors in



those laws were created because the federal government had no authority to tell people they couldn't transport their property. Similar laws would have been written if the feds told them they couldn't take their lawn mower.

once again, "state's rights"



I don't know why Alexander Stephens was named VP of the Confederacy.
Davis despised him and he was good friends with Lincoln.
I seriously doubt he was the spokesperson of the South. By that same logic we can call him the spokesperson of the modern Democrats

 

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the north easterners sold slaves to the South, then after they made their money, suddenly had a moral dilemma and decided to invade.

They didn't free anyone, they made us all slaves to the federal government, and we've had nothing but problems ever since.

Slavery could have, and would have been resolved on a stated basis.
The unconstitutional invasion was not needed.


It's not accurate to say the Confederate constitution enshrined slavery, because both the US constitution and the confederate constitution held the state superior

 

[Syriusly]

the confederate constitution banned further imports of slaves, and the writings of Jefferson Davis showed he knew slavery was ending

Those of you who side with Lincoln can't win this argument.
He was a POS glorified by our modern liar government

The Confederate Constitution enshrined slavery permanently.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 prohibited the Confederate government from restricting slavery in any way:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Article IV, Section 2 also prohibited states from interfering with slavery:

"The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired."

Perhaps the most menacing provision of the Confederate States Constitution was the explicit protection Article IV, Section 3, Clause 3 offered to slavery in all future territories conquered or acquired by the Confederacy:

"The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several States; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."

This provision ensured the perpetuation of slavery as long and as far as the Confederate States could extend it's political reach, and more then a few Confederates had their eyes fixed on Cuba and Central and South America as objects of future conquest.

And far from predicting the end of slavery- the Confederates freely admitted that they formed the new Confederacy to protect their slavery.
“Corner Stone” Speech | Teaching American History
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

Those of you who consider the Confederate slave states to be your heroes- well you have made your bed with the slave owners

Virginia petitioned the crown to end slavery, denied.

2 petitions to Congress to end slavery, denied.

according to Jefferson Davis, every southern state petitioned Congress to end slavery, denied.

Citations- citations- citations.

I cite the Confederate Constitution and very words of the Vice President of the Confederacy- I can also cite from the various 'causes of secession' of multiple Confederate states- all refer to slavery.

Give me your citations to show that your Confederate buddies had any intention of ending slavery.

Go for it.

 

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the north easterners sold slaves to the South, then after they made their money, suddenly had a moral dilemma and decided to invade.

Wow- that is an amazing fiction. What Confederate fanfiction did you plagiarize that from?

Certainly the North did have slaves- and did sell them. But they ended slavery- which was always a rather insignificant portion of the Northern economy. Far from a 'sudden' moral dilemma, the abolition movement had been gaining grown for decades.

And they didn't 'decide to invade' because of slavery- the Confederate slave states tried to secede- and attacked the United States Army to do so.

That was when the United States took action to prevent secession.

 

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They didn't free anyone, they made us all slaves to the federal government, and we've had nothing but problems ever since.

Have you been physically raped by your master- ever? Have you had your child sold away from you, so that you never see or hear from her again? Or have you had your child taken to the master's house to become a 'house slave' and raped by the 'young masters'?

Do you get whipped if you are not working hard enough?

If the answer is literally no to any of those- then you are not a slave and to compare yourself to actual slaves and what their lives were just shows either your ignorance or your duplicity.

 

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Slavery could have, and would have been resolved on a stated basis.
The unconstitutional invasion was not needed.

Certainly slavery could have ended without a war. But remember the Confederacy was formed to preserve slavery.

So prove that it would have ended- and by what date.

If you can't- well then perhaps slavery would have ended- or perhaps there would be slaves working at the BMW plant in South Carolina to this day.