How Can Anybody Be pro-Palenstine?

[Dante]

I agree the far right isn't a threat at this time.

Tell that to people like Yitzhak Rabin

 

[Dante]

Especially those of you who are against violence and even the second amendment. I just got a comment on here this morning that I support genocide because I believe in the right for Israel to defend themselves against Palestine.


Now granted, up until recently I had confusion of what genocide actually was and it wasn't but this member was supposedly a conservative and a Trump supporter. Even after I explained what I meant he still called me an ignorant supporter of genocide.


Last night I was told by another member on here that I should be permanently banned from here and imprisoned for my views. All I have to say is thank God Kamala Harris didn't win or I probably would be.


Let me make myself perfectly clear once and for all. I stand with President Trump, Israel, for the second amendment, US Constitution, and the US military and if you are the enemy in any way, shape, or form, I believe that you should be exterminated. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.


Now, there is a current ceasefire in Israel and a few more hostages are supposed to be released this Saturday, but if Hamas doesn't keep their side of the bargain to release the remaining hostages then I have absolutely no doubts about it that President Trump WILL make them regret it.


How anybody could feel sympathetic towards Hamas is highly suspicious to me and definitely not a true Trump supporter and is highly hypocritical if they claim to be against violence and then look back at October 7th, 2021. It's despicable and I refuse to stay silent about it.


Even if free speech wasn't recently re-introduced into America by President Trump I would refuse to stay silent about it. If you're sympathetic towards Hamas that Israel has been kicking their butts in self-defense then that's also anti-Semitism and that's NOT what The United States of America is supposed to stand for.


Keeping Israel and all of the hostages and their families in my prayers. God bless President Trump, God bless Israel, and God bless The United States of America.

"Pro Palestine?"

Being Pro Palestine does not equate to being Anti Israel

Heroes, tough as nails Israeli Hawks sought peace with Palestinians and paid for it with their lives.

From hawk to peacemaker​

Rabin, who was 73 years old at the time of his assassination, had the military experience and hawkish reputation to be a credible voice for security among an Israeli population that was leery of the PLO, which had engaged in militant resistance to occupation, including guerrilla warfare and terrorist attacks. As The New Yorker observed in 2015, Rabin “was a kind of Israeli Nixon,” an allusion to former U.S. president Richard Nixon, whose longtime anti-communist record enabled him to pursue normalization with the communist government of China with public confidence during his presidency.

During Israel’s War of Independence in 1948, Rabin fought against the Egyptian army in the Negev and oversaw military actions in Jerusalem and surrounding areas. He was hailed as a hero of Israel’s 1967 victory in the Six-Day War, which led to the country seizing territory from Arab enemies Jordan, Egypt, and Syria, including the West Bank and the Gaza Strip territories that were later negotiated in the Oslo Accords. He first became prime minister in 1974, and two years later he burnished his military bona fides with a daring hostage rescue raid at Entebbe, Uganda (see Entebbe raid).


Rabin, a career military man, initially took a hard line against protests by Palestinians under Israeli rule. In 1988—as defense minister during the first intifada, a Palestinian uprising—he ordered soldiers to break the bones of Palestinians who were throwing rocks at them. But he realized this approach to the uprising was unsustainable, and later that year he told fellow Labor Party members, “I’ve learned something in the past two and a half months. Among other things, that you can’t rule by force over one and a half million Palestinians.”

 

[Dante]

WRONG!
I am Jewish and any REAL Jew is supposed to know that after the Diaspora Decree of 160 AD, all Jews are supposed to be atoning for the sins of arrogance and pride, until the coming of the Messiah is proof we have been forgiven.
Simply put, you cannot really be Jewish and support Israel in any way.
And no one should support Israel because they obvious are the ones who are guilty of starting all the violence, such as blowing up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel.

Good gawd, 160 ad?

Stop this nonsense.

 

[Rigby5]

Is there a difference b/w Palestinians and Hamas OP, and if so, what is it?

Hamas was the elected government for all of Palestine, but so many of its members have been assassinated that the PA has taken over government of the West Bank.

If you are confused by their attack on the music festival, what you have to remember is that Israel has illegally imprisoned tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians so that Israel could steal their properties.
The attempt at genocide is obvious because Israel is enforcing a starvation blockade where the 13 million Palestinian native are illegally confined to only 15% of their legal former land.

It is unclearly who is Hamas at any moment since they do not survive long.
But it is also clearly Hamas is gaining support since it is getting desperate now.

 

[Rigby5]

There is no Palestine. Not in the traditional sense. But there are Palestinian people and not all of them are bad--- I once watched a documentary where they lived with and followed a Palestinian family. They were pretty nice, normal people. Like Russia, it really comes down to the /governments/ running things.

That said, while I don't pretend to really understand everything going on over there, it seems that someone keeps making bad decisions such as putting (or letting) Hamas in charge of running things. You have to figure having a terrorist organization calling the shots for your country and attacking a close ally of the USA is just NOT going to end well for you.

Totally wrong.
There has always only legally been a Palestine, and Israel is a fake country Truman created to get more votes.

The Palestinians are the ancient Canaanites, Chaldeans, Amorites, Philistine, Phoenicians, etc.
They have been there since 8000 BC.
In contract, the Hebrew did not invade until 1000 BC and were defeated by the Assyrian around 800 BC.
There essentially is no Israeli, Judea, or Samaria history at all.
They did nothing and built nothing.

But the 6 million illegal immigrant Euro Jews have stolen 85% of Palestine, and illegally blockaded the native on 15% of their own country, in order to starve them out.
Hamas can't ever be "terrorist" any more than the French Resistance was in WWII.
They are the ones in the right who are being badly abused.

 

[Rigby5]

Did the six million displaced persons in Europe after WW2 demand a state of their own?

They lied and claimed to not want their own state, but then blew up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel, and started massacring hundreds of native villages like Deir Yassin.

The Jews after WWII were not "displaced".
They were safer in Europe than anywhere else.
They selected Palestine as their target of theft.

Nor is it at all reasonable for a particular religion to have its own state.
The inherently violates the right of people to choose their own religion.
And clearly native Arabs have no rights at all under Israeli control.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

They were safer in Europe than anywhere else.

Certainly were. After queuing up to enter the gas chamber.

 

[Rigby5]

The “ Jew hating Righties “ are outnumbered by “ Self hating Jew Lefties “ 50 to 1

Wrong.
If you were Jewish like I am, you would know that all Jews are supposed to be following the Diaspora Decree of 160 AD, which is to atone for the sins of arrogance and pride, until the coming of the Messiah is proof we have been forgiven.
So the Israelis are fake.
They are not really Jewish at all.
Real Jews would never have blown up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel.
That was the act of criminals and started all the violence, since they did that so no one would stop them from massacring hundreds of native villages like Deir Yassin.
They did not even shoot them with a clean kill, but blew them up by throwing grenades into their homes.

 

[Failzero]

Wrong.
If you were Jewish like I am, you would know that all Jews are supposed to be following the Diaspora Decree of 160 AD, which is to atone for the sins of arrogance and pride, until the coming of the Messiah is proof we have been forgiven.
So the Israelis are fake.
They are not really Jewish at all.
Real Jews would never have blown up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel.
That was the act of criminals and started all the violence, since they did that so no one would stop them from massacring hundreds of native villages like Deir Yassin.
They did not even shoot them with a clean kill, but blew them up by throwing grenades into their homes.

Some Israeli Jews have lotsa Tattoos what are you trying to say ???

 

[Rigby5]

"Pro Palestine?"

Being Pro Palestine does not equate to being Anti Israel

Heroes, tough as nails Israeli Hawks sought peace with Palestinians and paid for it with their lives.

From hawk to peacemaker​

Rabin, who was 73 years old at the time of his assassination, had the military experience and hawkish reputation to be a credible voice for security among an Israeli population that was leery of the PLO, which had engaged in militant resistance to occupation, including guerrilla warfare and terrorist attacks. As The New Yorker observed in 2015, Rabin “was a kind of Israeli Nixon,” an allusion to former U.S. president Richard Nixon, whose longtime anti-communist record enabled him to pursue normalization with the communist government of China with public confidence during his presidency.

During Israel’s War of Independence in 1948, Rabin fought against the Egyptian army in the Negev and oversaw military actions in Jerusalem and surrounding areas. He was hailed as a hero of Israel’s 1967 victory in the Six-Day War, which led to the country seizing territory from Arab enemies Jordan, Egypt, and Syria, including the West Bank and the Gaza Strip territories that were later negotiated in the Oslo Accords. He first became prime minister in 1974, and two years later he burnished his military bona fides with a daring hostage rescue raid at Entebbe, Uganda (see Entebbe raid).


Rabin, a career military man, initially took a hard line against protests by Palestinians under Israeli rule. In 1988—as defense minister during the first intifada, a Palestinian uprising—he ordered soldiers to break the bones of Palestinians who were throwing rocks at them. But he realized this approach to the uprising was unsustainable, and later that year he told fellow Labor Party members, “I’ve learned something in the past two and a half months. Among other things, that you can’t rule by force over one and a half million Palestinians.”

The POINT is that it was an ultra right Israelis who murder Yitzak Rabin, not a Palestinian.
It was also Menachim Begin who gunned down Folke Bernadotte, the UN moderator.

And there are 13 million Palestinians natives, not 1.5 million.

 

[Failzero]

WHY would anyone support Israel?
They are not native, are recent European illegal immigrants, have no legal right to be there, and committed massive war crimes, such as blowing up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel, and gunning down Folke Bernadotte, the UN moderator.

There has never not been Jews in Israel ( Proto Hebrew Finds date to pre Canaanite times ) some of the earliest Photography around 1850 shows Jews in Jerusalem

 

[Rigby5]

Good gawd, 160 ad?

Stop this nonsense.

The POINT is that that Jewish rule ended in 800 BC when the Assyrians defeated them, and that in 160 AD, all Jews left the Mideast under Rabbinical Decree.
Israel is in violation of Jewish beliefs.

 

[Rigby5]

Certainly were. After queuing up to enter the gas chamber.

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WRONG!
Obviously AFTER Germany was defeated in WWII, then Germany not only was likely the single safest place, but also where they could have sued for reparations.
Going to Palestine was crazy, egotistical, evil, violent, and carefully planned.

 

[Failzero]

The POINT is that that Jewish rule ended in 800 BC when the Assyrians defeated them, and that in 160 AD, all Jews left the Mideast under Rabbinical Decree.
Israel is in violation of Jewish beliefs.

There were Jews in Jerusalem during Greek , Roman , Persian , Byzantine , Crusade , Ottoman , eras

 

[Rigby5]

Some Israeli Jews have lotsa Tattoos what are you trying to say ???

What I am saying is obvious, which is that the Palestinians are native and had nothing at all to do with the Holocaust.
Nor does the Holocaust justify the incredible evil the Israelis are committing against the native Palestinians.
And in fact, the safest place for Jews after WWII likely was Germany, where all sorts of oversight protected them.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

WRONG!
Obviously AFTER Germany was defeated in WWII, then Germany not only was likely the single safest place, but also where they could have sued for reparations.
Going to Palestine was crazy, egotistical, evil, violent, and carefully planned.

Like you’d know.

 

[Rigby5]

There has never not been Jews in Israel ( Proto Hebrew Finds date to pre Canaanite times ) some of the earliest Photography around 1850 shows Jews in Jerusalem

Wrong.
First of all, there is no record of the Hebrew before they went to Egypt around 1600 BC.
They likely were shepherds in the Sinai, since nowhere else had a drought that would have forced them to flee to Egypt.
The Canaanites go back to the earliest towns, in 8000 BC, and there is nothing at all about the Hebrew until they invaded the Land of Canaan around 1000 BC.

Sure there could have been some stragglers in Jerusalem in 1850, but all real Jews would have been following the Diaspora Decree, and been atoning for the sins of arrogance and pride, and would not have been in Jerusalem.
And the British census shows that the population of Palestine was less than 5% Jewish in 1922.

 

[Rigby5]

There were Jews in Jerusalem during Greek , Roman , Persian , Byzantine , Crusade , Ottoman , eras

Sure there were Jews, but no Israel, Juda, or Samaria.
These kingdoms were only from about 1000 BC to 800 BC.
So although they are all over the Byzantine Bible, in reality these kingdoms did not exist and had no history after 800 BC.

 

[Rigby5]

Like you’d know.

We know the emigration to Palestine was intentionally with violent intent because they did it in secret, exceeding immigration quotas by a factor of 10, and smuggling in weapons to murder the British and natives.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

We know the emigration to Palestine was intentionally with violent intent because they did it in secret, exceeding immigration quotas by a factor of 10, and smuggling in weapons to murder the British and natives.