House passes Big, Beautiful Bill

[debbiedowner]

She is the expert and openly said to me she is the best expert.

One thing to ask her is if the adult is not working. How can the adult afford the affordable care act?

No, just on here. I do not know the whole 2500 or so pages and probably have forgotten many things in the past 15 years, some things did change. If an adult is not working in the state of Florida and has no income they do not qualify for either obamacare or Medicaid unless a woman is pregnant. In a state as Florida that did not expand Medicaid back years ago the poverty level is at 100% and have to have the income to match to qualify, the amounts go up every year, whereas most states that did expand is at 138%.

But many did find a way to game the system. One, for example a very wealthy old man gave his adult daughter a job care taking and 1099 for her yearly at just above poverty level and she qualified for a damn good plan at very little cost. The lower the income if you stayed above 100% the better a silver plan became. Some had zero deductible, $1 co pay to family doc and $5 to a specialist and max out of their pocket in the early years, some were $500.

 

[debbiedowner]

what was the percentage of people was ACA for? 16% of the population, and it ended up affecting fking everyone demofk low lifer.

Make sense with your post.

 

[debbiedowner]

The problem with Obamacare is that unless you are at the low end of the income scale (it was $45,000 when I was forced onto it), the costs are astronomical for very little coverage. Essentially, for the middle class, it was basically a catastrophic care plan for the price of a great insurance program.

For example, I paid over $800 a month and had a $6,000 deductible, and a very limited network. It was much worse than the private plan I had bought up to then.

And it gets worse. The Obamacare plan was SO bad that I was charged MORE for a visit than if I had no insurance at all! So I paid $800 a month for the “privilege” of paying more than cash-only patients did.

People that weren’t caught up in it have no idea as to how bad it was if you were getting by - in a major city - with an income of $50,000 or $60,000.

Networks are setup by what the insurance company set up and what providers negotiated. The private plan was ACA off or on exchanges.

 

[struth]

Your post is a complete digital diarrhea.

Again, how did Democrats raise taxes and cite the law.

The law in the OP you dumbfcuk? The law in the OP where they all voted no on, the law makes the 2017 tax cuts permanent, if they aren't made permanent this year, or extended, then taxes go up!

How is this too hard for you to grasp?

 

[otto105]

The law in the OP you dumbfcuk? The law in the OP where they all voted no on, the law makes the 2017 tax cuts permanent, if they aren't made permanent this year, or extended, then taxes go up!

How is this too hard for you to grasp?

Fuckup, the shitker! tax law of 2017 doesn’t help the middle class. It is the start of his big brutal bill the pushes 80+ of the benefits to the billionaire class.

How do you not know this?

 

[toobfreak]

You're flailing.

There is no "L" in failing.

And yes, Jack is used to it, he has been doing it his whole life.

 

[Care4all]

how are tariffs not in the bill? Because they simply aren't.

or how did your party vote to raise income taxes on teh working class? Because they voted no to making the 2017 rates permenant, which would have raised the tax rates this year.

Geez, man, do you have any clue about what's going on? Or what this thread is about? you are dumber then a box of rocks

The democratic proposal was to extend the tax cuts up to $500,000 of taxable earnings,

and above $500,000 earnings revert back to the tax rates prior to the 2017 tax cut.

1% of households earn more than $500,000 a year.

By eliminating through letting the tax cuts expire for earnings over $500k and keeping the tax cuts for earnings under $500k, the tax break adds $2 trillion to the Nation debt over 10 years vs. $4 trillion added to the debt if all the tax cuts are extended, is what has been reported.

 

[toobfreak]

My taxes aren't going to be lowered. Neither will yours. The wealthier and the corporations will get their cuts extended and enhanced....and the rest of us...will pay for it.

Jack, weren't you the guy that a year ago, swore on your grave that Trump would never be reelected neither?

 

[toobfreak]

The numbers...don't back your assertions up.

Ever consider that maybe you just have bad numbers?

 

[Robert W]

No, just on here. I do not know the whole 2500 or so pages and probably have forgotten many things in the past 15 years, some things did change. If an adult is not working in the state of Florida and has no income they do not qualify for either obamacare or Medicaid unless a woman is pregnant. In a state as Florida that did not expand Medicaid back years ago the poverty level is at 100% and have to have the income to match to qualify, the amounts go up every year, whereas most states that did expand is at 138%.

But many did find a way to game the system. One, for example a very wealthy old man gave his adult daughter a job care taking and 1099 for her yearly at just above poverty level and she qualified for a damn good plan at very little cost. The lower the income if you stayed above 100% the better a silver plan became. Some had zero deductible, $1 co pay to family doc and $5 to a specialist and max out of their pocket in the early years, some were $500.

I believe that in the entire country, fraud is pretty open. However it is seldom prosecuted.

I contend that a nation of laws, which are mostly produced by Democrats, witness the enormous beginning by FDR, and having lived in this nation since 1938, I have witnessed the rush to make laws by Democrats. Ron DeSantis talking this morning where he detailed how Florida per him is the second best state to live in. And he is working to elevate it to number 1. And he slashes costs to residents in Florida. Bless that governor. Thank you for a explicit report on the Affordable Care Act.

 

[toobfreak]

You Trump-haters just won't give up with your fearmongering, will you?

How can they, JG? They don't hate Trump so much as they fear him, so fearmongering just comes natural to them.

 

[otto105]

Ever consider that maybe you just have bad numbers?

Like maga fuckups making up facts…

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Like Trump gets?

Like what?

 

[Robert W]

The democratic proposal was to extend the tax cuts up to $500,000 of taxable earnings,

and above $500,000 earnings revert back to the tax rates prior to the 2017 tax cut.

1% of households earn more than $500,000 a year.

By eliminating through letting the tax cuts expire for earnings over $500k and keeping the tax cuts for earnings under $500k, the tax break adds $2 trillion to the Nation debt over 10 years vs. $4 trillion added to the debt if all the tax cuts are extended, is what has been reported.

We are discussing the actual vote. Democrats all approved causing taxes to go sky high by voting no on the actual bill.

 

[jc456]

Networks are setup by what the insurance company set up and what providers negotiated. The private plan was ACA off or on exchanges.

All bullshit from the sale of the program promised

 

[kyzr]

Why should waiters get a break but not engineers?

Engineers make a lot more money.

 

[kyzr]

The democratic proposal was to extend the tax cuts up to $500,000 of taxable earnings,
and above $500,000 earnings revert back to the tax rates prior to the 2017 tax cut.
1% of households earn more than $500,000 a year.
By eliminating through letting the tax cuts expire for earnings over $500k and keeping the tax cuts for earnings under $500k, the tax break adds $2 trillion to the Nation debt over 10 years vs. $4 trillion added to the debt if all the tax cuts are extended, is what has been reported.

So if Republicans raised the top rate to 40% as Trump recommends, democrats would vote for the 1BBB?

I hope the senate does just that to balance the budget.

 

[Robert W]

Like maga fuckups making up facts…

Why don't you answer questions given you demand others answer your questions?

 

[jc456]

Like maga fuckups making up facts…

What was made up?

 

[struth]

Fuckup, the shitker! tax law of 2017 doesn’t help the middle class. It is the start of his big brutal bill the pushes 80+ of the benefits to the billionaire class.

How do you not know this?

Haha of course it did! It cut taxes rates on income!

Clearly don’t don’t work or file taxes