Oh Dear, what a pity, never mind. No rule that says the Israelis have to respond with similar weapons, so the fault is with the Palestinians and their stupid plastic keys to paradise.
Horrible Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestinians
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Oh Dear, what a pity, never mind. No rule that says the Israelis have to respond with similar weapons, so the fault is with the Palestinians and their stupid plastic keys to paradise.
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LOL every time Muslim savages are unsuccessful in committing ethnic cleansing and genocide "the response was disproportionate".
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Right on. One would think the Palis would realize that & stop their attacks on Israel to save their lives. Truly the Palis need to learn the first law of the hole. When you're already in one --- Stop digging.
Roudy
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Digging is their national pastime. Just look at their brief history.
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Burrowing like rodents.
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So true. The Pali's attack Israel & kill & injur one or more Israeli's. Israel retaliates. And then the Pali's & their supporters bitch about how many more dead Palestinians there are than Israeli's after each occurance. It's called Palestinian mentality.
RoccoR
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et al,
I tend to think that most pro-Palestinians don't actually understand "ethnic cleansing" as it pertains to the criminal activity. There is no crime called "ethnic cleansing;" in the international criminal code (Part II - Article 6 Rome Statutes) it is called "Genocide."
While there is a sever problem with the Israeli Settlers committing heinous crimes against Palestinians, it is not really a governmental induced or supported effort to directed against Palestinians to effect such destruction; in whole or in part. However, the Israelis understand that the activities of Jewish Extremism are not helping --- but hurting Israel and it citizenry in the eyes of the global community and that Israel's Security Cabinet will be forced to impose a very stern set of crime prevention and criminal enforcement measures if it is to bring the situation under control.
Most Respectfully,
R
I tend to think that most pro-Palestinians don't actually understand "ethnic cleansing" as it pertains to the criminal activity. There is no crime called "ethnic cleansing;" in the international criminal code (Part II - Article 6 Rome Statutes) it is called "Genocide."
Introduction With respect to the last element listed for each crime:
(a) The term “in the context of” would include the initial acts in an emerging pattern;
(b) The term “manifest” is an objective qualification;
(c) Notwithstanding the normal requirement for a mental element provided for in article 30, and recognizing that knowledge of the circumstances will usually be addressed in proving genocidal intent, the appropriate requirement, if any, for a mental element regarding this circumstance will need to be decided by the Court on a case-by-case basis.
Article 6 (a) Genocide by killing Elements
1. The perpetrator killed one or more persons.
2. Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
3. The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part, that national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.
4. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction.
Article 6 (b) Genocide by causing serious bodily or mental harm Elements
1. The perpetrator caused serious bodily or mental harm to one or more persons.
2. Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
3. The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part, that national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.
4. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction.
I think that most people, relative to the Palestinian Conflict, don't actually know how this applies; especially to the Policies Expressed by the Palestinians. The Palestinians actually have a governmental policy to implement hostilities (Jihad) against Israelis.(a) The term “in the context of” would include the initial acts in an emerging pattern;
(b) The term “manifest” is an objective qualification;
(c) Notwithstanding the normal requirement for a mental element provided for in article 30, and recognizing that knowledge of the circumstances will usually be addressed in proving genocidal intent, the appropriate requirement, if any, for a mental element regarding this circumstance will need to be decided by the Court on a case-by-case basis.
1. The perpetrator killed one or more persons.
2. Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
3. The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part, that national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.
4. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction.
1. The perpetrator caused serious bodily or mental harm to one or more persons.
2. Such person or persons belonged to a particular national, ethnical, racial or religious group.
3. The perpetrator intended to destroy, in whole or in part, that national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such.
4. The conduct took place in the context of a manifest pattern of similar conduct directed against that group or was conduct that could itself effect such destruction.
While there is a sever problem with the Israeli Settlers committing heinous crimes against Palestinians, it is not really a governmental induced or supported effort to directed against Palestinians to effect such destruction; in whole or in part. However, the Israelis understand that the activities of Jewish Extremism are not helping --- but hurting Israel and it citizenry in the eyes of the global community and that Israel's Security Cabinet will be forced to impose a very stern set of crime prevention and criminal enforcement measures if it is to bring the situation under control.
Most Respectfully,
R
Kondor3
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That's odd... so is yours... and so is mine.
RoccoR
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theliq, et al,
OK, I'm always willing to learn something new.
Where can I find the criminal statute for "ethnic cleansing?"
Most Respectfully,
R
OK, I'm always willing to learn something new.
(QUESTION)
Where can I find the criminal statute for "ethnic cleansing?"
Most Respectfully,
R
theliq
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theliq
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Rocco I came across this Anti Jewish,Anti Gay and Anti Everything else after watching a documentary the other evening by Louis Thieroux......www.jewskilledjesus.com/
This tripe was part of "The Westboro(Westborough????) Baptist Church in the US!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......Do people really exist in America like this ???????? Now these Cretins are Quite Fucking MAD.....steve...I would appreciate your opinion of such people and what motivates them.......do many in America speak such SHIT??????
So now Mondo is the repository of criminal statutes and is authorised to state what is a criminal statute and what isn't ?
RoccoR
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theliq, et al,
Again, answered in the order in which asked.
This is not the first time this media article has been raised.
First, the Jewish Settler Issue in the West Bank is a complex and distinct issue. The topic is hard to due justice, from either perspective (State of Israel 'vs' State of Palestine). Needless to say, that even in the professional Counterterrorism arena in the Western Nations (including America), there is a segment of that population that would be hard to describe in any short and descriptive terminology --- as other than terrorist in nature. Since about 1970, more than 125 incidents or events have been attributed to the Israeli Settler as terrorist activity due to the associated intent; and the number is still climbing. But this is best left for a separate discussion. My point in raising it is that, like the Arab Palestinian, not everyone in a given group is an activity terrorist or providing material support to their activities.
Relative to the "mondoweiss" new article (Aug 2014), it is --- as is sometime my commentaries are, a bit one sided. But it makes a point; in fact it makes a plethora of points. What it does not do, is demonstrate the criminal intent. It makes a adversarial case of circumstance. Normally, planting trees is not a bad thing. Both here in the US and the vast culturally different Republic of South Korea have the equivalent of Arbor Day (next 29 April 2016); a bunch of us go out and plant trees under supervision. It is not a bad thing; nothing sinister about it. But as only "mondoweiss" can, take a good activity and apply a sinister motive to it. But even after slamming tree planting, "mondoweiss" circles back around and says: "The principal means however were not trees or renaming – it was, and still is, colonization." Even if you call Area "C" Settlements a form of "colonization," such settlements in Area "C" are within the jurisdiction of the 1997 Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (OSLO II). And if the Palestinians wanted to truly address the issue, they only need to engage (in good faith) the Article XXI --- Settlement of Differences and Disputes; assuming that the under the 1993 of the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements, (OSLO I) and the Article V --- Permanent Status Negotiations (PSN) covering settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation are not satisfactory. Having said that, the PSN presupposes that the Arab Palestinians actually want to negotiate and not just go through the motions - asking for the impossible so that the talks intentionally fail.
In any case, the issue of "ethnic cleansing" cannot really be an issue in which the Israel have total jurisdiction in Area "C."
When attempting to apply the principles of "ethnic cleansing" to the Arab-Israeli Conflict, one has to be specific; very specific. There is no international criminal code for "ethnic cleansing" --- thus - no elements to the offense. Nor is "ethnic cleansing" covered in the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV) of August 1949. There is a reason for that. "Ethnic Cleansing" is an "intent." It is a series of actions, the enforcement of policies, or the establishment of history of past behavior that leads to an inevitable outcome.
It should be noted that threat to use force is prohibited by treaty law; this principle is outlined under Article 2(4) of the UN Charter. Yet no court,no country, and no security collective has even once challenged the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) for its many threats of Jihad, Armed Struggle, or terrorism. But it is there, out in the open; and established policy and a history of past behaviors to incite armed conflict and threaten the peace.
In nearly every acceptable sample for a given population you will discover some segment that includes political and religious extremism; as well as intellectual fanaticism. But the number of Americans that actually resemble this segment or are closely associated with Religion-based bigotry causes are small; but sometimes concentrated. And it is that concentration that represents the enormous harm to LGBT people and more tolerant religious followers; especially to young and impressionably vulnerable teens.
The Americans you see depicted in the slideshows (Jews killed Jesus.com) are not the brightest bulbs in the lamp. They do not represent mainstream America. Having said that, --- Jews, Catholics and evangelical Christians are viewed warmly by the American public (Pew Research). As for myself, I don't really care what religion a person is; just how scary you are.
Most Respectfully,
R
Again, answered in the order in which asked.
(COMMENT)
This is not the first time this media article has been raised.
First, the Jewish Settler Issue in the West Bank is a complex and distinct issue. The topic is hard to due justice, from either perspective (State of Israel 'vs' State of Palestine). Needless to say, that even in the professional Counterterrorism arena in the Western Nations (including America), there is a segment of that population that would be hard to describe in any short and descriptive terminology --- as other than terrorist in nature. Since about 1970, more than 125 incidents or events have been attributed to the Israeli Settler as terrorist activity due to the associated intent; and the number is still climbing. But this is best left for a separate discussion. My point in raising it is that, like the Arab Palestinian, not everyone in a given group is an activity terrorist or providing material support to their activities.
Relative to the "mondoweiss" new article (Aug 2014), it is --- as is sometime my commentaries are, a bit one sided. But it makes a point; in fact it makes a plethora of points. What it does not do, is demonstrate the criminal intent. It makes a adversarial case of circumstance. Normally, planting trees is not a bad thing. Both here in the US and the vast culturally different Republic of South Korea have the equivalent of Arbor Day (next 29 April 2016); a bunch of us go out and plant trees under supervision. It is not a bad thing; nothing sinister about it. But as only "mondoweiss" can, take a good activity and apply a sinister motive to it. But even after slamming tree planting, "mondoweiss" circles back around and says: "The principal means however were not trees or renaming – it was, and still is, colonization." Even if you call Area "C" Settlements a form of "colonization," such settlements in Area "C" are within the jurisdiction of the 1997 Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (OSLO II). And if the Palestinians wanted to truly address the issue, they only need to engage (in good faith) the Article XXI --- Settlement of Differences and Disputes; assuming that the under the 1993 of the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements, (OSLO I) and the Article V --- Permanent Status Negotiations (PSN) covering settlements, security arrangements, borders, relations and cooperation are not satisfactory. Having said that, the PSN presupposes that the Arab Palestinians actually want to negotiate and not just go through the motions - asking for the impossible so that the talks intentionally fail.
In any case, the issue of "ethnic cleansing" cannot really be an issue in which the Israel have total jurisdiction in Area "C."
When attempting to apply the principles of "ethnic cleansing" to the Arab-Israeli Conflict, one has to be specific; very specific. There is no international criminal code for "ethnic cleansing" --- thus - no elements to the offense. Nor is "ethnic cleansing" covered in the Fourth Geneva Convention (GCIV) of August 1949. There is a reason for that. "Ethnic Cleansing" is an "intent." It is a series of actions, the enforcement of policies, or the establishment of history of past behavior that leads to an inevitable outcome.
It should be noted that threat to use force is prohibited by treaty law; this principle is outlined under Article 2(4) of the UN Charter. Yet no court,no country, and no security collective has even once challenged the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) for its many threats of Jihad, Armed Struggle, or terrorism. But it is there, out in the open; and established policy and a history of past behaviors to incite armed conflict and threaten the peace.
(COMMENT)
In nearly every acceptable sample for a given population you will discover some segment that includes political and religious extremism; as well as intellectual fanaticism. But the number of Americans that actually resemble this segment or are closely associated with Religion-based bigotry causes are small; but sometimes concentrated. And it is that concentration that represents the enormous harm to LGBT people and more tolerant religious followers; especially to young and impressionably vulnerable teens.
The Americans you see depicted in the slideshows (Jews killed Jesus.com) are not the brightest bulbs in the lamp. They do not represent mainstream America. Having said that, --- Jews, Catholics and evangelical Christians are viewed warmly by the American public (Pew Research). As for myself, I don't really care what religion a person is; just how scary you are.
Most Respectfully,
R
I am I am calling you out on your RACIST LIES as I can find no reference to criminal statute in your link. Want to try again using an unbiased non partisan source like the UN say, or the Oz government ?
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