Hoping That The 'Surge' Will Fail

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Ugly, but probably fair analysis. Lots of links:

http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2007/01/well-somebodys-afraid-of-surge.html

Sunday, January 28, 2007
Well, somebody's afraid of the surge
By TigerHawk at 1/28/2007 12:52:00 PM


There are, I think, two groups of people who are afraid that the "surge" might work.

I spent the morning straightening up the house with various Sunday talk shows on in the background. The conviction with which Democratic Senators aver that the "surge" will only make matters worse is startling. They do not explain how it will make matters worse, only that it is inevitable that it will. While I myself am far from certain that the planned changes in tactics, commanders, force levels, rules of engagement and tone with the Iraqi government will work, I do not understand the downside. We are always free to adopt the opposition's idea, which is to withdraw at least from the fight, if not Iraq. If Iraq is in fact the geopolitical disaster that most Democrats (and no few Republicans) claim that it is, it seems to me that the incremental geopolitical risk in the surge is small.

New York Senator Chuck Schumer seemed to give away the game -- at least implicitly -- on "Meet the Press." He quite obviously does not want the next election cycle to be "about" Iraq. One gets the sense that this sentiment is even more pronounced among the Democrats who will be vying for their party's presidential nomination. It is easy to see why: the problem of Iraq will be nothing but trouble for leading Democrats. The party activists who hold sway during the primary season will demand that candidates embrace the so-called "anti-war" agenda without reservation, but if Democrats do that too enthusiastically they will remind voters that their party has been all about defeat since 1972. Since none of them want to be caught in that Liebermanesque trap, leading Democrats are desperate for Iraq to be off the table by next fall.

From the perspective of Democratic political strategy, the worst possible result would be partial success -- for conditions in Iraq to improve significantly and palpably, but not decisively. That would guarantee that Iraq would remain a central theme in the 2008 campaign, not just as fodder for attacks on Republican "incompetence," but as a problem to be solved in the future, and that would be a nightmare for the leading Democrats. This is the reason, I believe, why at least some leading Democrats are so obviously willing the surge to fail.

Interestingly, the enemy also seems to be afraid of the surge. Under the headline, "Death squad chieftains flee to beat Baghdad surge," the Times of London reported not only that the new plan was motivating "death squad chieftains" to leave the country, but that Iran was sheltering the enemy:

DEATH SQUAD leaders have fled Baghdad to evade capture or killing by American and Iraqi forces before the start of the troop “surge” and security crackdown in the capital.

A former senior Iraqi minister said most of the leaders loyal to Moqtada al-Sadr, the radical anti-American cleric, had gone into hiding in Iran.

Among those said to have fled is Abu Deraa, the Shi’ite militia leader whose appetite for sectarian savagery has been compared to that of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, who was killed last year.

This is far from unalloyed good news -- since these bastards have gone to Iran, we can't kill them and they will live to fight again. As the linked article makes clear, Prime Minister al-Maliki may have even encouraged them to flee. But scaring the death squad commanders out of the country is a good intermediate step. With the leadership gone, perhaps morale at the lower echelons will suffer, and perhaps the Iraqi army will be able to make some progress in restoring the order that is necessary to strengthen the central government.

There is an additional advantage in this, and that is in the "outing" of Iran.
It is, of course, no surprise to anybody who is even remotely aware that the Islamic Republic would provide sanctuary to somebody with an apparently unquenchable "appetite for sectarian savagery." Even under the "reformist" government of John Kerry's new greatest fan, Iran was ecumenical in its willingness to do so. Nevertheless, there remain a great many people in the world -- including United States Senators -- who believe that the perfidy of Iran is an invention of the Bush administration. If the surge clarifies that little ambiguity for the next president of the United States, it will at least have served the purpose of defining the threat.
 

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i would like to know this:

why does the anyone want the US to fail in iraq?
 
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i would like to know this:

why does the anyone want the US to fail in iraq?
I think Tigerhawk was onto something, that Schumer said. Iraq is lose/lose for dems, they want it 'gone' by 2008.
 

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i would like to know this:

why does the anyone want the US to fail in iraq?
That one's easy.

The Dems REQUIRE failure in Iraq; otherwise, all their accusations and rhetoric will be seen for the BS they are, and they'll lose even more of whatever's left of their credibility.
 

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but why would someone want their own country to fail?
 
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but why would someone want their own country to fail?
That's the saddest part, politics & power. As selfish as that. I wish I didn't agree with that, but I see no alternative conclusion.
 

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That's the saddest part, politics & power. As selfish as that. I wish I didn't agree with that, but I see no alternative conclusion.
i understand the politicians...they all need faliure to succeed....it is the common man and woman that i can not figure....
 

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but why would someone want their own country to fail?
Illogical conclusion. They see it as BUSH and the Republicans losing, not the country. Notice how most libs already call it Bush's War or "our" war, but never "the" war?

Completely lacking foresight, they see political victory here at home as more important than any victory in the Middle East. They don't care what it does to this Nation so long as they can try and force thier will on the people of the US.
 
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i understand the politicians...they all need faliure to succeed....it is the common man and woman that i can not figure....
Contrary to BP/PB bleatings, the sheep aren't all on the GOP side. For those that lead, others follow. They also fail to see...
 

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so when they get their way and the US fails....what do they belive will come of this failure....
 
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What will define our success in Iraq?

A year ago, or so, it was purple fingers. Is that still the goal? A vote for every man and woman in the country – building their own government and its global recognition?

Or have we fallen back to a more tenable position – say electricity on, in most cities, for four hours a day – running water for a while, or getting to go to the open air market without somebody committing suicide with explosives taped to their body?

Is calling our occupation – mandated democracy upon a truly tribal society – and gradual withdrawal after extinguishing four to five thousand of our people’s lives a “success”, even though our gut tells us twenty minutes after the last chopper goes out of sight, all-out civil war will ensue?
 

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What will define our success in Iraq?

A year ago, or so, it was purple fingers. Is that still the goal? A vote for every man and woman in the country – building their own government and its global recognition?

Or have we fallen back to a more tenable position – say electricity on, in most cities, for four hours a day – running water for a while, or getting to go to the open air market without somebody committing suicide with explosives taped to their body?

Is calling our occupation – mandated democracy upon a truly tribal society – and gradual withdrawal after extinguishing four to five thousand of our people’s lives a “success”, even though our gut tells us twenty minutes after the last chopper goes out of sight, all-out civil war will ensue?

if you define success by quiting....then you will soon have your success and you will discover what quiting will bring....and when it does not bring what you want you make excuses....excuses for your choice to quit....but just remember your choice was to quit....no one made you quit and we all told you not to....
 

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