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[Dr Grump]

You ever consider the possibility that mainstream media have been so left-biased, for so long, that fact-based, straight-down-the-middle reporting seems right-biased by comparison?

No. I have not. Only a person to the far right would think like that IMO..

You just haven't lived, my young friend.

My analogy makes no sense to you because you have missed its point. The left have appropriated the medium of culture - degrading it to nothing more than a bully pulpit for their own agenda. That Sean Penn doesn't charge me a nickel every time he spouts his lunacy doesn't negate my analogy; he occupies his position of access and influence solely by virtue of the fact that he is - purportedly - an artist; part of the culture. But that culture is itself a shameless pimp; its minions, empty-headed sluts on street corners.

No, it made no sense because it was wrong. You were talking about paying to go to a gardener and then said gardener spouting off about political rhetoric. Your analogy only works if you do the same re entertainers. It is not Sean Penn's fault he is a great actor and people notice him. However, I doubt anybody votes for a political appointee due to Penn talking. Empty-headed sluts? So getting $10 million a pop is empty-headed..oookkayyy...How have they "appropriated" the medium? They make movies and music mostly. Anything outside of that, is outsida that.

Ooo - what a snappy comeback! What are you - about 12?

hhhmmmm..coming from the guy who says "I've managed to reduce you to pathetic drivel", "You're babbling now", "Do you have anything coherent to say?", "You are talking absolute nonsense", "That you are spouting pathetic drivel is a plain statement of fact". You ever hear of "those in glass houses....etc"?

I'm not talking about going to Chrissy Hynde's house and telling her to shut up. And, even if I did, she has the option of continuing to put her foot in her mouth as if nothing had ever happened. I am NOT censoring anybody - unless you call my refusal to support her efforts with my dollars censorship - which you might; I don't know. I can dismiss her verbal diarrhea as irrelevant nonsense; I can share a laugh at her expense with my sane friends. Please tell me how I'm wrong.

I realise you are not talking about going to Chrissy Hynde's house (although, you could for all I care). If you like an artist, then they offer a political position that you do not like and so you stop buying their product, how can it do anything BUT encourage censorship? Take Chrissy Hynde. I hate her radical animal activism. I never did like Johnny Ramone's neocon stance. But I would never NOT buy a Pretenders or Ramones album due to a band members political stance, unless they called for the death of somebody or a certain race of people, or somesuch.

 

[musicman]

No, it made no sense because it was wrong. You were talking about paying to go to a gardener and then said gardener spouting off about political rhetoric. Your analogy only works if you do the same re entertainers. It is not Sean Penn's fault he is a great actor and people notice him. However, I doubt anybody votes for a political appointee due to Penn talking. Empty-headed sluts? So getting $10 million a pop is empty-headed..oookkayyy...How have the "appropriated" the medium? They make movies and music mostly. Anything outside of that, is outsida that.

Well, if you miss my point, you miss my point, I guess. I can't explain it any more simply or clearly.

hhhmmmm..coming from the guy who says "I've managed to reduce you to pathetic drivel", "You're babbling now", "Do you have anything coherent to say?", "You are talking absolute nonsense", "That you are spouting pathetic drivel is a plain statement of fact". You ever hear of "those in glass houses....etc"?

Swing and a miss - strike two!

I realise you are not talking about going to Chrissy Hynde's house (although, you could for all I care). If you like an artist, then they offer a political position that you do not like and so you stop buying their product, how can it do anything BUT encourage censorship? Take Chrissy Hynde. I hate her radical animal activism. I never did like Johnny Ramone's neocon stance. But I would never NOT buy a Pretenders or Ramones album due to a band members political stance, unless they called for the death of somebody or a certain race of people, or somesuch.

Now, at last, we're getting down to the heart of the matter. You're telling me that - by withholding my dollars from artists who spout what I find to be objectionable rhetoric - I am practicing de facto censorship. I am not allowed to make those sort of distinctions with my money. Am I understanding you correctly?

 

[musicman]

Empty-headed sluts? So getting $10 million a pop is empty-headed..oookkayyy..

Ah - I stand corrected. Smart, WEALTHY sluts.

 

[Dr Grump]

Now, at last, we're getting down to the heart of the matter. You're telling me that - by withholding my dollars from artists who spout what I find to be objectionable rhetoric - I am practicing de facto censorship. I am not allowed to make those sort of distinctions with my money. Am I understanding you correctly?

I wouldn't call it the heart of the matter. It is one matter I guess. And no, you can make those distinctions all you like. It is your right. All I'm saying is that your stance encourages censorship. Mine doesn't. Go figure...

 

[Dr Grump]

Ah - I stand corrected. Smart, WEALTHY sluts.

 

[musicman]

I wouldn't call it the heart of the matter. It is one matter I guess. And no, you can make those distinctions all you like. It is your right. All I'm saying is that your stance encourages censorship. Mine doesn't. Go figure...

Actually, I don't know, or much care, whether my stance ENCOURAGES anything or not. My stance is a REFLECTION of my values. It reflects - not censorship, but discernment.

As you get older, you'll realize that there are all kinds of ways to vote; many avenues through which to express your values. One such instance is the way you choose to spend your money.

You see, Sean Penn doesn't have a God-given right to a job in the movies. By not buying Pretenders CDs, I am not depriving Chrissy Hynde of that which is rightfully hers. Artists enjoy success to the precise degree that their efforts are supported with the public's dollars.

When Chrissy Hynde encourages Osama Bin Laden to "bring it on", and kill more Americans, I am simply not going to support her efforts with my dollars; I don't care if her music is one of the greatest joys in my life. This does not mean that I am a bigoted advocate of censorship. It means that I am discerning. I am not trying to tell her what she can and cannot say. But, if she says things I find objectionable, I am certainly not going to support her efforts. Why should I?

 

[Bonnie]

how so? Wasn't trying to twist anything. There was a question mark at the end of the "jealous of their earnings" statement. Was just interested.



I agree re others telling you what to do. So you can ignore them. I thought this thread was about celebrities and their politics, not them telling you how to spend your money.



Nothing wrong with socialism or capitalism. Having a system entirely based on either of them is bad IMO. I nice mixture of both would be OK. It's finding that mixture that seems to cause problems..

Point is celebrities do not live in reality as the rest of us do, I have no problem with that, I don't care how they conduct their lives in private etc, great for them. The fact that they do not live in reality renders them incapable and obnoxious to make public statements to change the political climate regarding how people making 50,000 to 100,000 a year are "wealthy" and should be giving more in taxes. If they wish to actually put their money up for their causes bravo to them. If they are so concerned with the environment perhaps they should not use private jets and have 3 or more Suv's or Hummers in their driveways. Just common sense to me really.

Perhpas I expect that since they have been so blessed with many things they should conduct themselves with quiet dignity and let others do the same, but for a group of people that claim everyone in mainstream America is always judging them unfairly and having to much to say about what they do.. they may try a little self introspection, but maybe that is too much to expect?? They really don't need to be our teachers, were all grown up

 

[Dr Grump]

Actually, I don't know, or much care, whether my stance ENCOURAGES anything or not. My stance is a REFLECTION of my values. It reflects - not censorship, but discernment.

As you get older, you'll realize that there are all kinds of ways to vote; many avenues through which to express your values. One such instance is the way you choose to spend your money.

You see, Sean Penn doesn't have a God-given right to a job in the movies. By not buying Pretenders CDs, I am not depriving Chrissy Hynde of that which is rightfully hers. Artists enjoy success to the precise degree that their efforts are supported with the public's dollars.

When Chrissy Hynde encourages Osama Bin Laden to "bring it on", and kill more Americans, I am simply not going to support her efforts with my dollars; I don't care if her music is one of the greatest joys in my life. This does not mean that I am a bigoted advocate of censorship. It means that I am discerning. I am not trying to tell her what she can and cannot say. But, if she says things I find objectionable, I am certainly not going to support her efforts. Why should I?

As you get older you'll realize that there is no all-encompassing standard. There are shades of gray. Thus my caveat re what a celebrity says. As stated, I would not stop buying an artist's product if they said something about a politician who I liked. If they said what you allege Hynde said, then you make a fair point and you'll get no argument from me. It is called using discretion. To give a blanket rule to all celebs does encourage censorship IMO.

 

[Dr Grump]

Point is celebrities do not live in reality as the rest of us do, I have no problem with that, I don't care how they conduct their lives in private etc, great for them. The fact that they do not live in reality renders them incapable and obnoxious to make public statements to change the political climate regarding how people making 50,000 to 100,000 a year are "wealthy" and should be giving more in taxes. If they wish to actually put their money up for their causes bravo to them. If they are so concerned with the environment perhaps they should not use private jets and have 3 or more Suv's or Hummers in their driveways. Just common sense to me really.

Perhpas I expect that since they have been so blessed with many things they should conduct themselves with quiet dignity and let others do the same, but for a group of people that claim everyone in mainstream America is always judging them unfairly and having to much to say about what they do.. they may try a little self introspection, but maybe that is too much to expect?? They really don't need to be our teachers, were all grown up

Once again, generic statements are being made. How much monies do these celebs give to charities? What tax raises are they advocating, and for what reasons..and who is advocating them? I think a lot of celebs conduct themselves with dignity when talking politics including Bruce Willis and Johnny Ramone who are/were GoP supporters. As for your last sentence, you could say that about anybody saying anything in the public arena whether it be newspapers, politicians or people on a messageboard.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Once again, generic statements are being made. How much monies do these celebs give to charities? What tax raises are they advocating, and for what reasons..and who is advocating them? I think a lot of celebs conduct themselves with dignity when talking politics including Bruce Willis and Johnny Ramone who are/were GoP supporters. As for your last sentence, you could say that about anybody saying anything in the public arena whether it be newspapers, politicians or people on a messageboard.

When they threaten to leave the country if Bush is elected/re-elected, and then don't, that's not acting with dignity. That's dishonesty, and most of all, a lack of integrity.

 

[Dr Grump]

When they threaten to leave the country if Bush is elected/re-elected, and then don't, that's not acting with dignity. That's dishonesty, and most of all, a lack of integrity.

OK, that covers Alec Baldwin...and maybe one or two others at the most. There are thousands of actors and musicians in the entertainment industry. As I said, it is a generic statement.

 

[Abbey Normal]

OK, that covers Alec Baldwin...and maybe one or two others at the most. There are thousands of actors and musicians in the entertainment industry. As I said, it is a generic statement.

Then you would agree that they (Baldwin, Streisand and Moore) lack integrity?

 

[musicman]

As you get older you'll realize that there is no all-encompassing standard. There are shades of gray. Thus my caveat re what a celebrity says. As stated, I would not stop buying an artist's product if they said something about a politician who I liked. If they said what you allege Hynde said, then you make a fair point and you'll get no argument from me. It is called using discretion. To give a blanket rule to all celebs does encourage censorship IMO.

What "blanket rule" or "all-encompassing standard" have I espoused? Everybody's free to say and do as they please - that's my rule. It's just that that includes me.

 

[Dr Grump]

Then you would agree that they (Baldwin, Streisand and Moore) lack integrity?

Dnot' know enough them and what they said (the context etc) to make a comment. Which Moore BTW?

 

[Bonnie]

Once again, generic statements are being made. How much monies do these celebs give to charities? What tax raises are they advocating, and for what reasons..and who is advocating them? I think a lot of celebs conduct themselves with dignity when talking politics including Bruce Willis and Johnny Ramone who are/were GoP supporters. As for your last sentence, you could say that about anybody saying anything in the public arena whether it be newspapers, politicians or people on a messageboard.

They (most not all) campaign for any president that wants to raise taxes and redistribute wealth, they put down Christians quite a bit, and most of them are hypocritical. And true we could say that about anyone in the public and to a certain extent we just may be. I happen to like Bruce Willis, and a few others. Johnny Ramone was unique in his politics, he wasn't a hypocrite, and neither is Willis to my knowledge that is.

 

[Dr Grump]

They (most not all) campaign for any president that wants to raise taxes and redistribute wealth, they put down Christians quite a bit, and most of them are hypocritical. And true we could say that about anyone in the public and to a certain extent we just may be. I happen to like Bruce Willis, and a few others. Johnny Ramone was unique in his politics, he wasn't a hypocrite, and neither is Willis to my knowledge that is.

I really don't see any of that happening. Only rarely listen to their politics. Each to their own I guess...

 

[Bonnie]

I really don't see any of that happening. Only rarely listen to their politics. Each to their own I guess...

I do and though Im not losing sleep over it, it can be annoying. But your right best to try and avoid listening.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Dnot' know enough them and what they said (the context etc) to make a comment. Which Moore BTW?

Michael Moore.

Why would anyone need "context" beyond what we all already know? None of this was obscure nor did it happen very long ago. You already surely know that they were in a liberal freak-out over President Bush possibly being re-elected. They swore to leave the USA for good if he was re-elected.

He was.

They didn't leave.

Some procedural advice: if you you are going to resort to continually ask for more details every time there is a point made that you don't like, you will quickly lose the respect of many posters here.