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[musicman]

I thought it was in the "I Musicman believe that any actor who has any political opinion that is not in step with the current admin, is stupid and dumb even though I have no idea what type of education they have or how informed they are politically" sense...

If you choose to remain willfully blind to the truth borne out before your eyes every single day, it is not for me to spoil your bliss. For my part, I will continue to watch, listen, and make my best judgements - informed by truth and common sense. Enjoy yourself.

 

[Abbey Normal]

If you choose to remain willfully blind to the truth borne out before your eyes every single day, it is not for me to spoil your bliss. For my part, I will continue to watch, listen, and make my best judgements - informed by truth and common sense. Enjoy yourself.

And those judgments have been well thought-out and very logical.

 

[Dr Grump]

If you choose to remain willfully blind to the truth borne out before your eyes every single day, it is not for me to spoil your bliss. For my part, I will continue to watch, listen, and make my best judgements - informed by truth and common sense. Enjoy yourself.

 

[musicman]

Look at me - a celebrity!

 

[Redhots]

I don't know how you arrive at that. If the coin of the realm is commentary on complex political issues, I think that "celebrities are quick to offer loud, public, and unbidden analysis - typically backed by little in the way of practical experience - beyond what they've learned on the casting couches and in the little bubble of Hollywood liberalism in which they exist" is a generally fair statement.

You could say the same about people who post on internet message boards.

The point being I wouldn't simply dismiss what a person has to say about politics and social affairs based on what they do for a living.

 

[musicman]

You could say the same about people who post on internet message boards.

Aw, come on, man - don't be so tough on yourself!

The point being I wouldn't simply dismiss what a person has to say about politics and social affairs based on what they do for a living.

Nor would I, unless - of course - he used his position of power, access, and influence - attained by virtue of the fact that he is, in some manner, entertaining - as a forum for his personal gripes. He is free to do so, of course. But, I am likewise free to tell him to stfu and read Bruckenheimer's script like a good little parrot. Isn't freedom wonderful?

 

[Redhots]

Nor would I, unless - of course - he used his position of power, access, and influence - attained by virtue of the fact that he is, in some manner, entertaining - as a forum for his personal gripes.

And what exactly is wrong with that?

 

[musicman]

And what exactly is wrong with that?

What's wrong with it is that I don't like it - and I'm allowed not to like it. Just as celebrities are allowed to presume that their personal opinions on ANYTHING are important enough that they can use their quite incidental access to exposure in order to grace me with them, I am just as free to feel that said opinions don't amount to a lump of shit.

Again - ain't freedom grand?

 

[jillian]

What's wrong with it is that I don't like it - and I'm allowed not to like it. Just as celebrities are allowed to presume that their personal opinions on ANYTHING are important enough that they can use their quite incidental access to exposure in order to grace me with them, I am just as free to feel that said opinions don't amount to a lump of shit.

Again - ain't freedom grand?

Of course, we're all free to disregard others' opinions. But doesn't mean we don't have the right to speak our piece. It just seems that when right-wing entertainers speak, no one complains and that all kinds of vitriole is reserved for the more left-leaning when they articulate their views. Yet, we all have opinions and we all think those opinions are important or we wouldn't take the time to argue them even in the context of a messageboard such as this one.

So...don't know about you, but if I had a forum to talk about what I believe and maybe change some minds, raise questions or, best case scenario...help shape policy...I'd take the opportunity to do so in a New York minute.

 

[musicman]

Of course, we're all free to disregard others' opinions. But doesn't mean we don't have the right to speak our piece.

And I've never intimated otherwise.

It just seems that when right-wing entertainers speak, no one complains

Well, no one in mainstream America does - and, do you know why? Because it's such a blessed relief - the kind we dare not even hope for - to hear common sense coming from one of our "cultural lights". It's refreshing, and, what's more, it's admirable - since they do so at considerable risk to their careers.

and that all kinds of vitriole is reserved for the more left-leaning when they articulate their views.

And articulate, and articulate, and articulate. They've had the floor - exclusively - for thirty years. Every aspect of our culture has been monopolized, and - more important - POLITICIZED, by the left. And they've never been shy about using whatever medium they've controlled to advance their liberal lunacy. It's old already.

Yet, we all have opinions and we all think those opinions are important or we wouldn't take the time to argue them even in the context of a messageboard such as this one.

Yeah, but we're just two anonymous people chatting in cyberspace. Celebrities can do that, too - what's wrong with that?

But let me pose a hypothetical to you. Let's say that you had joined this board - at the cost of a few dollars - in order to learn something about gardening. You've come to "Musicman's gardening tips page". But, every time you ask a question about tomatoes, I start rambling on about how you'll be a better gardener if you support George Bush. It would get old after a while, wouldn't it?

So...don't know about you, but if I had a forum to talk about what I believe and maybe change some minds, raise questions or, best case scenario...help shape policy...I'd take the opportunity to do so in a New York minute.

As would absolutely be your right. But, we've all got rights, true?

 

[Dr Grump]

Well, no one in mainstream America does - and, do you know why? Because it's such a blessed relief - the kind we dare not even hope for - to hear common sense coming from one of our "cultural lights". It's refreshing, and, what's more, it's admirable - since they do so at considerable risk to their careers.

Got links to prove no one in mainstream America complains? You are big on supposition Musicman, with not much to back it up (IMO)...

And articulate, and articulate, and articulate. They've had the floor - exclusively - for thirty years. Every aspect of our culture has been monopolized, and - more important - POLITICIZED, by the left. And they've never been shy about using whatever medium they've controlled to advance their liberal lunacy. It's old already.

What a load of rubbish. There are plenty of right-leaning pundits and celebs who have spoken publically. In case you haven't realised it yet, 18 of the past 26 years have been a repub presidency.

Yeah, but we're just two anonymous people chatting in cyberspace. Celebrities can do that, too - what's wrong with that?

Nothing! They can also speak publically. Go figure!

But let me pose a hypothetical to you. Let's say that you had joined this board - at the cost of a few dollars - in order to learn something about gardening. You've come to "Musicman's gardening tips page". But, every time you ask a question about tomatoes, I start rambling on about how you'll be a better gardener if you support George Bush. It would get old after a while, wouldn't it?

Bad analogy. If they are making politicized movies that you know nothing about and pay to see them and then find out the movie is nothing but left-wing propaganda you might have a point. Most politicized celebrities thoughts are delivered via the media, at no cost to you in the sense that you do not buy the paper or watch the news to see them per se and you can switch off the television. Also, the celeb is not paying the station or paper to run their story, that is the editorial depts decision. Try another analogy. That one doesn't wash.

As would absolutely be your right. But, we've all got rights, true?

And nobody is trying to deny you yours, yet you are trying to deny celebs theirs, or at the very least, put a muzzle on them. How freedom loving of you...

 

[musicman]

You are big on supposition Musicman, with not much to back it up (IMO)...

Oh, I don't know - I've managed to reduce you to pathetic drivel like:

Got links to prove no one in mainstream America complains?

That's just priceless, man.

What a load of rubbish. There are plenty of right-leaning pundits and celebs who have spoken publically. In case you haven't realised it yet, 18 of the past 26 years have been a repub presidency.

You're babbling now. The fact that mainstream America is demonstrably conservative holds without regard to the extent of conservative representation in our culture, which - for the last thirty years - has been but a faint whisper against liberalism's monopolistic cacophany of lies. All that's changing now, of course.

Nothing! They can also speak publically. Go figure!

Do you have anything coherent to say?

Bad analogy. If they are making politicized movies that you know nothing about and pay to see them and then find out it is nothing by left-wing propaganda you might have a point. Most politicized celebrities thoughts are delivered via the media, at no cost to you in the sense that you do not buy the paper or watch the news to see them per se and you can switch off the television. Also, the celeb is not paying the station or paper to run their story, that is the editorial depts decision. Try another analogy. That one doesn't wash.

It washes like the Great Flood. Do you ever watch television or movies? The fact that sixties radicals donned suits and ties, moved into influential positions within our culture, and are now the Establishment is obvious in our culture's CONTENT. The drumbeat of liberalism is endless. They have appropriated our culture in order to further their own ends. My analogy rocks.

And nobody is trying to deny you yours, yet you are trying to deny celebs theirs, or at the very least, put a muzzle on them. How freedom loving of you...

You are talking absolute nonsense. They can say whatever they want; it doesn't mean I have to LIKE it.

 

[Dr Grump]

. The fact that mainstream America is demonstrably conservative .

Really? What are Bush's numbers like at the moment?

Oh, I don't know - I've managed to reduce you to pathetic drivel like:

Ah, ad hoimens..it was only a matter of time....those with weak or no debating skills always resort to such. The looney left or neocons start stuff like that. Glad to see you haven't let the side down...

- has been but a faint whisper against liberalism's monopolistic cacophany of lies. .

What sort of lies? A mixture or conservatism and liberalism is good IMO. A monopoly of either is bad. Currently we have a very conservative agenda. All it does is polarize. As for yet another unprovable contention about 30 years of bias...blah, blah, blah. Change the record or pony up some evidence instead of opinion. Rupert Murdoch is a liberal?

Do you have anything coherent to say?

Well. you seem to be answering the question OK, which would suggest you understand me, which leads logically to the conclusion that I am coherent. As stated, the fact you resort to ad hominems says more about you and your character than anything.

It washes like the Great Flood. Do you ever watch television or movies? The fact that sixties radicals donned suits and ties, moved into influential positions within our culture, and are now the Establishment is obvious in our culture's CONTENT. The drumbeat of liberalism is endless. They have appropriated our culture in order to further their own ends. My analogy rocks.

Which has what to do with your pathetic analogy?

You are talking absolute nonsense. They can say whatever they want; it doesn't mean I have to LIKE it.

Yeah, but you are the one telling them to shut up. Disagreeing with them and telling them to shut up are two different things. If you want me to explain said difference I'm more than happy to...

 

[musicman]

Really? What are Bush's numbers like at the moment?

They reflect the fact that America is conservative, and extremely disappointed in Bush.

Ah, ad hoimens..it was only a matter of time....those with weak or no debating skills always resort to such. The looney left or neocons start stuff like that. Glad to see you haven't let the side down...

That you are spouting pathetic drivel is a plain statement of fact.

What sort of lies? A mixture or conservatism and liberalism is good IMO. A monopoly of either is bad. Currently we have a very conservative agenda.

Well, no - we don't; hence, Bush's toilet-bound numbers.

...As for yet another unprovable contention about 30 years of bias...blah, blah, blah. Change the record or pony up some evidence instead of opinion.

You're going to deny liberal media bias - with a straight face?

Well. you seem to be answering the question OK, which would suggest you understand me, which leads logically to the conclusion that I am coherent.

I answered the question by asking you if you had anything coherent to say. Am I moving too fast for you?

As stated, the fact you resort to ad hominems says more about you and your character than anything.

Oh, when I resort to ad hominems, you'll know it - trust me.

Which has what to do with your pathetic analogy?

The fact that it is analogous to my previous post.

Yeah, but you are the one telling them to shut up. Disagreeing with them and telling them to shut up are two different things. If you want me to explain said difference I'm more than happy to...

I get the sinking feeling that I'm talking to a child.

 

[Dr Grump]

They reflect the fact that America is conservative, and extremely disappointed in Bush..

They do? How so?

That you are spouting pathetic drivel is a plain statement of fact.

I'm beginning to think you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the butt..

Well, no - we don't; hence, Bush's toilet-bound numbers.

That could be due to many things, not just conservatives being unhappy with him

You're going to deny liberal media bias - with a straight face?
.

There are biases on both sides. You ever hear of Fox, Wash Time, Drudge, WND, NY Post?

Oh, when I resort to ad hominems, you'll know it - trust me.

I do. You have.

The fact that it is analogous to my previous post.

Nonsense. You equated a gardener charging somebody to hear them spout political rhetoric. I know of no celeb who has charged anybody to hear their words.

I get the sinking feeling that I'm talking to a child.

You're typing on a messageboard, not looking in a mirror. Since you seem incapable of knowing the difference. Telling somebody to shut up is censorship. Disagreeing with them is not.

 

[Bonnie]

I thought it was in the "I Musicman believe that any actor who has any political opinion that is not in step with the current admin, is stupid and dumb even though I have no idea what type of education they have or how informed they are politically" sense...

It's fairly intellectually vacant for celebs like Jennifer Anniston and Julia Roberts who barely graduated from high school to state that George Bush got some C's in college therefore he is an idiot. Yes Im going out on a limb to say in that regard they should keep their comments to their communists cocktail party guests.
They do not have any concept of what it means to be middle class or what it means for middleclass taxes to go up several thousand in a year as they make about 10 million plus for shooting a six week movie, so when their taxes go up it doesn't matter to them, they're not giving up a vacation to pay said taxes. And for people who are supposedly sooooo giving and altruistic they found the time after Clinton was elected to attempt to lobby for tax free status as entertainers. HMMMM
I'll thank them to keep their mitts out of my pockets, I give plenty to charity and do not need them to tell me I should give away more of my money, let them give their own money.

Yes they have a right to speak about
whatever they choose, but just because people have the right doesn't mean they always should.

 

[Dr Grump]

It's fairly intellectually vacant for celebs like Jennifer Anniston and Julia Roberts who barely graduated from high school to state that George Bush got some C's in college therefore he is an idiot..

I'd say it's a tad more than that that makes him an idiot IMO.

Yes Im going out on a limb to say in that regard they should keep their comments to their communists cocktail party guests.

Riiight....now they're Communists.....

They do not have any concept of what it means to be middle class or what it means for middleclass taxes to go up several thousand in a year as they make about 10 million plus for shooting a six week movie, so when their taxes go up it doesn't matter to them, they're not giving up a vacation to pay said taxes.

You are probably right about Anniston (though I didn't think of her as that politically active), but Roberts? I think she had an average upbringing. Also, you sound a tad jealous of their earnings?

Yes they have a right to speak about whatever they choose, but just because people have the right doesn't mean they always should.

Why not? It's a free world. They can do as they please. Having to listen and agree with them is a whole different matter..

 

[Bonnie]

I'd say it's a tad more than that that makes him an idiot IMO.



Riiight....now they're Communists.....



You are probably right about Anniston (though I didn't think of her as that politically active), but Roberts? I think she had an average upbringing. Also, you sound a tad jealous of their earnings?




Why not? It's a free world. They can do as they please. Having to listen and agree with them is a whole different matter..

Nice try at twisting my words. I love the fact that anyone in this country can become a millionaire all of us here included. What I do have a problem with is other people telling me how generous Im supposed to be with my money, as it's none of their business, additionally they are in fact phonies by their actions. And yes many of them are at the very least socialistic in their politcs, you can call it "progressive" if you wish LOL.

 

[Dr Grump]

Nice try at twisting my words. I love the fact that anyone in this country can become a millionaire all of us here included.

how so? Wasn't trying to twist anything. There was a question mark at the end of the "jealous of their earnings" statement. Was just interested.

What I do have a problem with is other people telling me how generous Im supposed to be with my money, as it's none of their business, additionally they are in fact phonies by their actions.

I agree re others telling you what to do. So you can ignore them. I thought this thread was about celebrities and their politics, not them telling you how to spend your money.

And yes many of them are at the very least socialistic in their politcs, you can call it "progressive" if you wish LOL

Nothing wrong with socialism or capitalism. Having a system entirely based on either of them is bad IMO. I nice mixture of both would be OK. It's finding that mixture that seems to cause problems..

 

[musicman]

They do? How so?

I'm beginning to think you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the butt..

That could be due to many things, not just conservatives being unhappy with him

You grow tedious. You're arguing for the sake of arguing.

There are biases on both sides. You ever hear of Fox, Wash Time, Drudge, WND, NY Post?

You ever consider the possibility that mainstream media have been so left-biased, for so long, that fact-based, straight-down-the-middle reporting seems right-biased by comparison?

I do. You have(resorted to ad hominems).

You just haven't lived, my young friend.

Nonsense. You equated a gardener charging somebody to hear them spout political rhetoric. I know of no celeb who has charged anybody to hear their words.

My analogy makes no sense to you because you have missed its point. The left have appropriated the medium of culture - degrading it to nothing more than a bully pulpit for their own agenda. That Sean Penn doesn't charge me a nickel every time he spouts his lunacy doesn't negate my analogy; he occupies his position of access and influence solely by virtue of the fact that he is - purportedly - an artist; part of the culture. But that culture is itself a shameless pimp; its minions, empty-headed sluts on street corners.

You're typing on a messageboard, not looking in a mirror.

Ooo - what a snappy comeback! What are you - about 12?

Since you seem incapable of knowing the difference. Telling somebody to shut up is censorship. Disagreeing with them is not.

You can't possibly be this dim. I must therefore conclude that you're just being obtuse. OK - I'll play your little game. I'll spell it out for you.

I'm not talking about going to Chrissy Hynde's house and telling her to shut up. And, even if I did, she has the option of continuing to put her foot in her mouth as if nothing had ever happened. I am NOT censoring anybody - unless you call my refusal to support her efforts with my dollars censorship - which you might; I don't know. I can dismiss her verbal diarrhea as irrelevant nonsense; I can share a laugh at her expense with my sane friends. Please tell me how I'm wrong.