Hitting the Nail On the Head

[ScreamingEagle]

The UNITED STATES simply cannot afford the ENTITLEMENT of national healthcare at this point in history. Healthcare is not a RIGHT.....the health of each and every individual in this nation is a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY that must be managed first and foremost at home with preventive medicine. No one can DEMAND THE SERVICES of another human being (the health care provider).....as a PERSONAL RIGHT.....unless you are a proponent of indentured servitude...aka SLAVERY.

Go live in the 19th century, Ralph. The era of your political philosophy is over.

What the HELL do you think the tea parties cropping up ALL OVER THE U.S. are about anyway......?

Americans always have and still do support the free market......NOT SOCIALISM

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Is English by chance your second language?

Of course........I am an AMERICAN, if I desired to speak OXFORD English and pretend to be more intelligent than I actually am......I would move to Bangladesh, or camp out here on this site and PRETEND not to be the pompous ASS that my retorts present me to be.

You claim to be an incomprehensible pompous ass?
Points for honesty anyway.

I think he proved his claim .

 

[Diuretic]

The UNITED STATES simply cannot afford the ENTITLEMENT of national healthcare at this point in history. Healthcare is not a RIGHT.....the health of each and every individual in this nation is a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY that must be managed first and foremost at home with preventive medicine. No one can DEMAND THE SERVICES of another human being (the health care provider).....as a PERSONAL RIGHT.....unless you are a proponent of indentured servitude...aka SLAVERY.

Okay, I can see an opening here for an enterprising publisher.

"DIY Surgery"

"How To Take Out Your Own Appendix"

"Setting Bones In Your Loungeroom"

"Cooperative Neurosurgery"

You PAY a professional to do it........YOU DO NOT DEMAND that professional do so as a PERSONAL RIGHT of your pompous birth. Its YOUR appendix.......you would not be the 1st person in the world to require the removal thereof, somewhere the personal responsibility must be realized in YOU planning for such an emergency, perhaps having a rainy day account for such contingencies. If you do not plan for such, you are placing your life in the hands of strangers and BEGGING for the service that might save your life. You might enjoy the fact of being a BEGGAR, the majority of American's DO NOT.

That's the thing about having the RIGHT of CHOICE.....we get to determine who we want to place our life in the hands thereof.......and not depend upon BIG BROTHER to TELL us who we must TRUST. We can all image just what kind of Physicians that will work for the pay the government is willing to endorse, the majority of such will most likely be in need of professional REHAB themselves.

Speaking of Appendix removal.......did you hear the one about the British Subject that collapsed from a burst APPENDIX....weeks after the Government supposedly removed it? And you wish to mandate a service such as this upon EVERYONE.....because YOU are inherently to lazy to plan for your own physical needs?

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What if someone hasn't got the money to "pay a professional"?

 

[Diuretic]

The UNITED STATES simply cannot afford the ENTITLEMENT of national healthcare at this point in history. Healthcare is not a RIGHT.....the health of each and every individual in this nation is a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY that must be managed first and foremost at home with preventive medicine. No one can DEMAND THE SERVICES of another human being (the health care provider).....as a PERSONAL RIGHT.....unless you are a proponent of indentured servitude...aka SLAVERY.

Go live in the 19th century, Ralph. The era of your political philosophy is over.

What the HELL do you think the tea parties cropping up ALL OVER THE U.S. are about anyway......?

Americans always have and still do support the free market......NOT SOCIALISM

There's nothing remotely "socialist" about all this. Not that it matters, the word itself frightens so many Americans, its proper meaning isn't the point any more, just the mere utterance of the word "socialism" causes many Americans to fly into a screaming panic.

 

[Polk]

The UNITED STATES simply cannot afford the ENTITLEMENT of national healthcare at this point in history. Healthcare is not a RIGHT.....the health of each and every individual in this nation is a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY that must be managed first and foremost at home with preventive medicine. No one can DEMAND THE SERVICES of another human being (the health care provider).....as a PERSONAL RIGHT.....unless you are a proponent of indentured servitude...aka SLAVERY.

Since no one is demanding that health care providers give away services, you don't really have a point.

 

[Polk]

What the HELL do you think the tea parties cropping up ALL OVER THE U.S. are about anyway......?

At core? They're pissed off a black guy won the election.

 

[manu1959]

A quote I came across that sums up a lot of demonizing of Obama that the have no frigging plan RNC is now doing.

Conservatives lead the effort to demonize Obama because that’s easier than discussing the merits of Obama’s health care plan. They make it sound like providing access to health care providers is tantamount to repressing free speech. If anything, all the current protestors really demonstrate is how free this country really is.

When we finally get healthcare for all Americans who want it, people will look back and wonder what the hell all the protests from the right were all about.

They won't believe the crap like death panels and euthenasia that was paraded out to distract from real dialogue.

It's obvious the "health care" debate isn't about "health care".

you are correct....it is about the government creating a tax payer funded health insurance company.....that will artificialy set pricing....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nope, that will hold health cost pricing at reasonable levels.

As does the USPS with the parcel post companies, who would require collateral otherwise.

Industrialized nations, other than us, have national health care, the people live longer with better health than we do, and it costs less.

The only negative in this whole debate is the greed of the corporatists, who will lose this debate.

 

[manu1959]

Nope, that will hold health cost pricing at reasonable levels.

As does the USPS with the parcel post companies, who would require collateral otherwise.

Industrialized nations, other than us, have national health care, the people live longer with better health than we do, and it costs less.

The only negative in this whole debate is the greed of the corporatists, who will lose this debate.

no it won't .... it will rasie prices on the private sector to make up the difference.....it isn't like doctors are going to suddenly cut their prices.....when all these new folks start going to the doctor and we don't increase doctors nurses and clinics won't that impact the system and create a demand that can't be met....that usually means prices go up....and if you artificially hold prices then that will create long lines and waiting......

ever used a medical system other than the usa's.....

if obama care is rolled out the corporatists will do just fine.......they will underwrite obamacare and raise prices on the private sector to cover the difference and when the whole thing goes boom they will make out like bandits just like goldman sachs did under timmy and the o-man

 

[veritas]

But anybody can buy into the public option, so if private insurers raise their prices people will just go to the public option. So your argument is faulty.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Yeah lets add 40 million people to the system and no new Drs
Cant possibly have a negative effect.

 

[Care4all]

The UNITED STATES simply cannot afford the ENTITLEMENT of national healthcare at this point in history. Healthcare is not a RIGHT.....the health of each and every individual in this nation is a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY that must be managed first and foremost at home with preventive medicine. No one can DEMAND THE SERVICES of another human being (the health care provider).....as a PERSONAL RIGHT.....unless you are a proponent of indentured servitude...aka SLAVERY.

The only people that seemed to be obsessed that this issue is over whether health care is a right, are just being intellectually dishonest. This is not what is at stake or on something that is on the table.

And I might add that if what you say is true, about a society that feels it would function better and the general welfare of every person within their society would be better if they all had access to affordable health care is servitude or SLAVERY then i suppose you believe that every westernized nation in the world's citizens are really slaves except those of us in the united states....then I don't know what to say other than that seems pretty screwed up thinking.

You need to support your claim that Great Britain and France and Germany and Japan and Ireland and Switzerland and Austria and spain and Costa Rica and Canada etc etc etc etc are people and countries that support, are proponents of SLAVERY.

There may be an argument on how well each country's system of offering affordable health care services to all people in each of these allied countries of ours, and which countries seem to have the best or the worst systems, but your arrogance in calling this kind of Christ like love, being offered and made easily available to all of the human beings within their control and reach, as SLAVERY, is making the bible clearer and clearer when it prophesied about the people in the latter days being WAXED OVER- COLD imho.

Just seems absolutely like you are being sort of- irrational hysteria, and pretty offensive towards our sister and allied countries who all pay for, and believe, all human beings should have affordable access to health care with certain guarantees, and in my opinion... along with being pretty offensive and insulting to humanity, in and of itself...by taking the stance that those that believe such are those that are proponents of SLAVERY?


care

 

[manu1959]

Yeah lets add 40 million people to the system and no new Drs
Cant possibly have a negative effect.

well letting everyone thsat couldn't afford a home loan have one didn't have a downside.....

 

[Care4all]

Yeah lets add 40 million people to the system and no new Drs
Cant possibly have a negative effect.

gees

so your idea is to keep the 40 million form getting any healthcare, so YOU can have easy access to the doctor?

God Almighty, Jesus, Mary and Joseph!

Waxed over Cold!

Explain yourself, PLEASE!

Care

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

It is pretty clear , You want to destroy the system to make it equitable.
Thanks for caring.

 

[Zoom-boing]

How will Obamacare fair? Massachusetts gives a pretty good idea.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...reforms-increase-health-costs-wait-times.html

 

[Diuretic]

I don't understand why everyone thinks it's so difficult. It works elsewhere. Well universal health care works elsewhere - properly funded of course. But then everywhere else doesn't have insurance companies fighting like blazes to keep their profits and politicians who owe the insurance companies. I suppose that's the problem. That and the ideological bullshit that is clouding this whole debate.

 

[Care4all]

How will Obamacare fair? Massachusetts gives a pretty good idea.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...reforms-increase-health-costs-wait-times.html

it will fail, if we do not learn from the mistakes and the good measures of all of the states that have instituted a universal health care system for their state citizens....they are tests that should be reviewed and improved upon.

it will fail and be nothing but a gift horse to the insurance industry if a public option or a nonprofit private coop option for citizens to opt to buy, is not offered...since insurance is a mandate in this bill...it will be just like massachusetts.

ALSO, it is a MUST that the federal guidelines for Doctors and nurses be INCREASED, along with medical tech schools increasing in size and numbers.

if those 2 things were included in this bill, it would be a better bill and cost less, in the long run imo.

care

 

[goldcatt]

I don't understand why everyone thinks it's so difficult. It works elsewhere. Well universal health care works elsewhere - properly funded of course. But then everywhere else doesn't have insurance companies fighting like blazes to keep their profits and politicians who owe the insurance companies. I suppose that's the problem. That and the ideological bullshit that is clouding this whole debate.

What debate?

 

[Diuretic]

I don't understand why everyone thinks it's so difficult. It works elsewhere. Well universal health care works elsewhere - properly funded of course. But then everywhere else doesn't have insurance companies fighting like blazes to keep their profits and politicians who owe the insurance companies. I suppose that's the problem. That and the ideological bullshit that is clouding this whole debate.

What debate?

Good point indeed.