'Hidden History' That Was Staring You In The Face

[PoliticalChic]

Voters hated Hoover and his attempts to solve the Great Depression, yet loved what FDR did....All the threads from Polislick can't change that fact.....

It's quite amusing really. Thread after thread trying to rewrite history. It will never work.

I told you, you are dismissed.

You've served your purpose....and now you've returned to look even dumber????

Where is the re-write of history?

Everything I post is linked, sourced and documented.


What 'facts' have I changed?


Take your time.

Dismissed? What are you some kind of wannabe internet general? lol. Try as you might your propaganda isn't history. You see, in reality sourcing blogs and conspiracy websites isn't facts, it is opinion.

This is reality, easy to understand and a good starting point for children and challenged individuals such as yourself. Take your time if it is hard to understand at first if you have to. No shame in that, some learn at different speeds than others.

Franklin D. Roosevelt - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com

Of course some one as far gone as you is likely a lost cause, sadly.

"Dismissed? "


Just trying to save you embarrassment.

But....it's too late, huh?

 

[Moonglow]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

The rest of the world was in a long lasting depression also, were their leaders the fool also....??
The only countries not in a depression though were the communist, fascists and Nazis..They must have not been playing the fool's folly, eh?

Wrong again.

Roosevelt groupies might contend that it that Franklin Roosevelt wasn't a poor manager, after all, wasn't the Depression a worldwide phenomenon???


Let's see.

The League of Nations collected data from many nations throughout the 1930s on industrial production, unemployment, national debt, and taxes.
How did Roosevelt's United States compare with other countries?

In all four of these key indexes the United States did very poorly, almost worse than any other nation in the study.

Most European nations handled the Great Depression better than the United States.

World Economic Survey: Eighth Year, 1938/1939 (Geneva: League of Nations, 1939) p.128, quoted in "New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America," by Burton W. Folsom Jr




So...not only did the "great" Emperor Franklin the First manage to extend and magnify the depression, but he couldn't compete with the leaders of most European nations.


"Great" seems to have developed a new definition.



Aren't you astounded at how much I know?
Maybe you should pick up a book that doesn't require Crayolas.

Hmmm, have you been eating crayons all you life, or is it a new attachment?

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

An idea distorted, twisted and totally relying on misinformation.

Liar.

 

[Moonglow]

The cat is finally out of the bag, and Reagn is the motivation behind the defamation of FDR..
Did you enjoy it when Reagan sold missiles to Iran...?? Reagan and his administration were not perfect either, look at how many were tried after Reagan was out of office...And let us revmember, and look at how Reagan spurred unconstitutional actions due to his version of War on Drugs...

 

[PoliticalChic]

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

Which is the fault of a lack of incentive, like the computer boom that Reagan enjoyed....

Did you mention the great Ronald Reagan....the one who reversed the gains that FDR handed to Soviet communism????

Gee....why does that always upset Liberals?

Reagan was good in his own way, yet he himself did not influence the moral conflict the Soviet leadership confronted to change the status quo of how the USSR was ran..That was done by Russian leaders themselves...

More nonsense and DNC talking points.

A Liberal love-fest with Gorbachav just to reduce the praise that Reagan deserved.


Check this out:

SO ON WHOM or what do we bestow the title of the "evil empire's" killer? Was it Mikhail Gorbachev himself who pulled down what Lenin and Stalin had built up? It is tempting to finger Gorbachev, but this would ascribe too much wisdom and foresight to a man who wanted merely to reform, but not to relinquish, the empire. At no point, however, did Gorbachev want to yield Moscow's pride of place as the number two superpower. And he was blissfully confident that the risks were tolerable: "There is no reason to fear the collapse or the end of socialism", Gorbachev assured Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu three weeks after the Berlin Wall had been breached and three weeks before the Romanian dictator was executed by his own people.


Reagan was made from far sterner stuff than was his Soviet counterpart. His genial grin and wise-cracking demeanor concealed a spine of steel when push came to shove. Yet at their next meeting in Reykjavik in 1986, where Gorbachev would not budge on the "Star Wars" question, Reagan was decisive and unforgiving. He recalls in An American Life how he stood up from the table to proclaim that the meeting was over. Then he turned to his Secretary of State: "Let's go, George. We're leaving." Like any good diplomat, Shultz was crushed by so much roughness, but Reagan was completely unfazed. Later on, he explained: "I went to Reykjavik determined that everything was negotiable except two things, our freedom and our future."
The "amazing and mysterious" life of Ronald Reagan - National Interest, The Articles | Find Articles at CBS MoneyWatch.com



In your face, boyyyyyeeeeeee

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

The rest of the world was in a long lasting depression also, were their leaders the fool also....??
The only countries not in a depression though were the communist, fascists and Nazis..They must have not been playing the fool's folly, eh?

Wrong again.

Roosevelt groupies might contend that it that Franklin Roosevelt wasn't a poor manager, after all, wasn't the Depression a worldwide phenomenon???


Let's see.

The League of Nations collected data from many nations throughout the 1930s on industrial production, unemployment, national debt, and taxes.
How did Roosevelt's United States compare with other countries?

In all four of these key indexes the United States did very poorly, almost worse than any other nation in the study.

Most European nations handled the Great Depression better than the United States.

World Economic Survey: Eighth Year, 1938/1939 (Geneva: League of Nations, 1939) p.128, quoted in "New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America," by Burton W. Folsom Jr




So...not only did the "great" Emperor Franklin the First manage to extend and magnify the depression, but he couldn't compete with the leaders of most European nations.


"Great" seems to have developed a new definition.



Aren't you astounded at how much I know?
Maybe you should pick up a book that doesn't require Crayolas.

Hmmm, have you been eating crayons all you life, or is it a new attachment?

OMG!!!

A 'so are you' post?????

 

[PoliticalChic]

The cat is finally out of the bag, and Reagn is the motivation behind the defamation of FDR..
Did you enjoy it when Reagan sold missiles to Iran...?? Reagan and his administration were not perfect either, look at how many were tried after Reagan was out of office...And let us revmember, and look at how Reagan spurred unconstitutional actions due to his version of War on Drugs...

Be serious.

Neither FDR nor the current iteration, Obama, are in the same universe as Reagan.

You brought him up, not I.

 

[PoliticalChic]

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

What was the unemployment rate in 1940 then?

You are a source of never ending humor kid.
You can't get around what Morgenthau said, I know you feel you need to, but you can't.
HE was not only there, HE was instrumental in the implementation of the policies. HE said they didn't work.
I'm sorry, I know it stings a bit but there you have it.

Laissez faire forms of operations before the crash did not work either....Yet again, it was not a system of pure Laissez faire since Teddy Roosevelt and those that followed did have some regulations on business operations from and earlier period...

Totalitarian governance infantilize their citizenry....which explains your posts.

 

[Moonglow]

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

What was the unemployment rate in 1940 then?

You are a source of never ending humor kid.
You can't get around what Morgenthau said, I know you feel you need to, but you can't.
HE was not only there, HE was instrumental in the implementation of the policies. HE said they didn't work.
I'm sorry, I know it stings a bit but there you have it.

Laissez faire forms of operations before the crash did not work either....Yet again, it was not a system of pure Laissez faire since Teddy Roosevelt and those that followed did have some regulations on business operations from and earlier period...

Totalitarian governance infantilize their citizenry....which explains your posts.

Surely you can exploit and fantasize better than that.....It's sophomoric at the junior high level at best...

 

[g5000]

...or...Roosevelt Leaves A Stain American Government....a "Red" stain.


I'm about to provide a history lesson that has been hidden from government school grads.....as always....100% incontestable.


1. Background:
Franklin Roosevelt was the 'Perfect Storm' President.
He was on the scene at just the right moment, with the right smile and the right promise....promises he never intended to keep, ....and didn't.

He blasted Hoover as having created the recession by too much spending, promised to balance the budget, promised to cut spending by 25%, and promised to demand a pledge from every cabinet member to follow those strictures.


2. Then Roosevelt turned a recession into a 'Great Depression.' The causes include:
a. The actions of the federal reserve
b. The sky-high Smoot-Hawley Tariff
c. The actions of Hoover that were continued by Roosevelt....on steroids/
d. And, mainly, the abject ineptitude of Roosevelt in every way except for that of changing America into a pale copy of Soviet Russia...In that endeavor, he was a success.

The Dow Jones fell to its lowest point in July 1932. FDR was sworn into office in March 1933.

Smoot and Hawley were two Republicans in a Republican majority Congress.

The US economy began recovering as soon as FDR delinked us from the gold standard. This was also the case for every other country which delinked from the gold standard.

Those countries which weren't linked to the gold standard to begin with didn't even suffer a depression.


"It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn't be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats." - Donald J. Trump

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

An idea distorted, twisted and totally relying on misinformation.

You're in the minority, read FDR's Folly, once you do you'll understand he was as clueless as Obungles is.

Hoover seemed clueless to ending the depression, along with Calvin Coolidge....Calvin had farm prices dropping like a rock during his term and did nothing..............

Gads, your'e a moron.


Coolidge????????


Ever hear of the Roaring Twenties???????


After the depression [1920-1921] the United States proceeded to enjoy the “Roaring Twenties,” arguably the most prosperous decade in the country’s history. Some of this prosperity was illusory—itself the result of subsequent Fed inflation—but nonetheless the 1920–1921 depression “purged the rottenness out of the system” and provided a solid framework for sustainable growth."

The conclusion seems obvious to anyone whose mind is not firmly locked into the Keynesian or monetarist framework: The free market works.
The Depression You’ve Never Heard Of: 1920-1921 | The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty

 

[PoliticalChic]

With all due respect I'll take the word of a man who was there and helped orchestrate the policies over the opinions of those who feel the need to use revisionist history try and paint a better picture of their failed idols.

Unemployment in the Great Depression peaked in FDR's FIRST year, 1933, a year btw that FDR wasn't president until March.

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

What was the unemployment rate in 1940 then?

You are a source of never ending humor kid.
You can't get around what Morgenthau said, I know you feel you need to, but you can't.
HE was not only there, HE was instrumental in the implementation of the policies. HE said they didn't work.
I'm sorry, I know it stings a bit but there you have it.

Actually, it is pretty easy to get around what Morgenthau said when you read the quote in the context of the entirety of his comments at the meeting where he made them and the subsequent responses of those in attendance.

Liar.

 

[PoliticalChic]

LOL, not the point now is it? I know that you are trying to deflect but that does 't work with me.

"I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started"

What was the unemployment rate in 1940 then?

You are a source of never ending humor kid.
You can't get around what Morgenthau said, I know you feel you need to, but you can't.
HE was not only there, HE was instrumental in the implementation of the policies. HE said they didn't work.
I'm sorry, I know it stings a bit but there you have it.

Laissez faire forms of operations before the crash did not work either....Yet again, it was not a system of pure Laissez faire since Teddy Roosevelt and those that followed did have some regulations on business operations from and earlier period...

Totalitarian governance infantilize their citizenry....which explains your posts.

Surely you can exploit and fantasize better than that.....It's sophomoric at the junior high level at best...

Oh, yeah????

Sez you!!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

The rest of the world was in a long lasting depression also, were their leaders the fool also....??

Any good economics professor will tell you FDR policy only prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved his socialist ass was WWII.

And the other govts. in the world that suffered the same fate did it on purpose also?

I'm discussing FDR's failed policy, I realize you're a FDR loving window licker but the man was a failure at economic policy Read FDR's Folly, it spells it out in black and white but it's you so it may be over the little point on the top of our head

I am more of a truth finder than a lover, yes FDR had some issues, there is no administration in US history which didn't..Yet the previous administrations after WWI fundamentally created the conditions that led to the Great Depression....Yet we do not see that in your assessments or Policlick's...

".... yes FDR had some issues,...."

More than the Reader's Digest!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

An idea distorted, twisted and totally relying on misinformation.

You're in the minority, read FDR's Folly, once you do you'll understand he was as clueless as Obungles is.

Hoover seemed clueless to ending the depression, along with Calvin Coolidge....Calvin had farm prices dropping like a rock during his term and did nothing..............

Again I am discussing FDR, stop running around flapping your teeny little girly arms and deflecting.

Are you incapable of discussion without inflammatory rhetoric?

C'mon....I'll hold your coat....

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

The rest of the world was in a long lasting depression also, were their leaders the fool also....??

Any good economics professor will tell you FDR policy only prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved his socialist ass was WWII.

FDR was a folly, his asinine policy prolonged the depression and the only thing that saved him then was WWII.

How does a balanced budget cure a depression?:
So how did the war cure the Great Depression?

So glad you asked:

1. America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, ...Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged. Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

2. Compared to FDR, Harding had a much better understanding of how an economy works. Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decried high taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy. In February 1920, shortly after announcing his candidacy, he advocated a cut in government expenditures and stated that government ought to ‘strike the shackles from industry.’ ‘We need vastly more freedom than we do regulation,’ he said. Surprisingly, big business took very little notice of him at the time."

3. One of Harding’s campaign slogans was "less government in business," and it served him well. Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and called for tax cuts in his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. The highest taxes, on corporate revenues and "excess" profits, were to be cut. Personal income taxes were to be left as is, with a top rate of 8% of incomes above $4,000. Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did.

4. Harding’s Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 provided a unified federal budget for the first time in American history. The act established (1) the Bureau of the Budget with a budget director responsible to the president, and (2) the General Accounting Office to help cut wasteful spending.

5. Federal spending was cut from $6.3 billion in 1920 to $5 billion in 1921 and $3.2 billion in 1922. Federal taxes were cut from $6.6 billion in 1920 to $5.5 billion in 1921 and $4 billion in 1922. Harding’s policies started a trend. The low point for federal taxes was reached in 1924. For federal spending, in 1925. The federal government paid off debt, which had been $24.2 billion in 1920, and it continued to decline until 1930.

6. Conspicuously absent was business-bashing that became a hallmark of FDR’s speeches. Absent, too, were New Deal–type big government programs to make it more expensive for employers to hire people, to force prices above market levels, to promote cartels and monopolies. Frederick Lewis Allen wrote, "Business itself was regarded with a new veneration. Once it had been considered less dignified and distinguished than the learned professions, but now people thought they praised a clergyman highly when they called him a good business man."

7. With Harding’s tax cuts, spending cuts and relatively non-interventionist economic policy, the gross national product rebounded to $74.1 billion in 1922. The number of unemployed fell to 2.8 million – a reported 6.7% of the labor force – in 1922. So, just a year and a half after Harding became president, the Roaring 20s were underway! The unemployment rate continued to decline, reaching a low of 1.8% in 1926 – an extraordinary feat. Since then, the unemployment rate has been lower only once in wartime (1944), and never in peacetime.

8. "The seven years from the autumn of 1922 to the autumn of 1929," wrote Vedder and Gallaway, "were arguably the brightest period in the economic history of the United States. Virtually all the measures of economic well-being suggested that the economy had reached new heights in terms of prosperity and the achievement of improvements in human welfare. Real gross national product increased every year, consumer prices were stable (as measured by the consumer price index), real wages rose as a consequence of productivity advance, stock prices tripled. Automobile production in 1929 was almost precisely double the level of 1922. It was in the twenties that Americans bought their first car, their first radio, made their first long-distance telephone call, took their first out-of-state vacation. This was the decade when America entered ‘the age of mass consumption.’"

9. "Progressives" were astonishingly blind to Harding’s achievements. Newspaperman William Allen White called Harding "almost unbelievably ill-informed." Historian Allen wrote that Harding’s "mind was vague and fuzzy. Its quality was revealed in the clogged style of his public addresses, in his choice of turgid and maladroit language (‘non-involvement’ in European affairs)." Ironically, Allen wrote this in 1931, when the Great Depression had been going for two years. Harding had the depression of 1920 licked in a year and a half, but under the "progressive" FDR, the Great Depression would persisted throughout the 1930s, until FDR began conscripting millions of young men for the armed forces.

America’s Greatest Depression*Fighter by Jim Powell

America’s Greatest Depression Fighter by Jim Powell

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell



How ya' like them apples??????

 

[g5000]

2. Then Roosevelt turned a recession into a 'Great Depression.'

It takes a special kind of retard to call the Great Depression a "recession" before FDR came along.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Voters hated Hoover and his attempts to solve the Great Depression, yet loved what FDR did....All the threads from Polislick can't change that fact.....

It's quite amusing really. Thread after thread trying to rewrite history. It will never work.

I told you, you are dismissed.

You've served your purpose....and now you've returned to look even dumber????

Where is the re-write of history?

Everything I post is linked, sourced and documented.


What 'facts' have I changed?


Take your time.

You lied about FDR being responsible for starting the Great Depression.

I never lie.

^How to spot a fraud.

 

[g5000]

2. Then Roosevelt turned a recession into a 'Great Depression.'

It takes a special kind of retard to call the Great Depression a "recession" before FDR came along.

Bank Failures during the 1930s Great Depression

During the 20s, there was an average of 70 banks failing each year nationally. After the crash during the first 10 months of 1930, 744 banks failed – 10 times as many.

Bank Run - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

Some 650 banks failed in 1929; the number would rise to more than 1,300 the following year.

Chart of US Gross Domestic Product, 1929-2004

 

[PoliticalChic]

Roosevelt and Stalin,
..sittin' in a tree......



9. Roosevelt was Stalin's tool in the White House.
Prior to Roosevelt's death it became clear that Stalin was actually holding hundreds of thousands of Allied soldiers, treating them as his prisoners.....Brits and Americans.
He refused to return most....and as late as 1992 America was asking Yeltzin for an accounting of how many soldiers/bodies Russia still had.


In May of '45, still operating in the Red-fog established by FDR, Truman sent that Stalinist lap-dog, Davies, to inform Churchill that the United States would continue to kiss Stalin's.....shoes.




Churchill blasted the plan, due to Stalin clamping down 'the steel curtain' on Eastern Europe, and with thousands of British and American men still being held by Stalin.
"Churchill's criticism of the Communist regime, however, triggered a most extraordinary harangue- sorry, 'expression of my personal views"- from Davies, which lasted into the wee hours of the morning (until 4:30am of May 27, 1945).


Davies was 'shocked beyond words,' 'staggered,' and 'found it difficult to bring himself to believe he'd heard right' when Churchill vociferously criticized the police states the Soviets were setting up in Europe.
Davies, in effect, was telling the Prime Minister to 'shut up.'

He seemed petrified that Churchill’s feelings might become public knowledge. Davies feared that Soviet suspicions of hostility in the West “would harden into action if they knew of this [Churchill’s] attitude.”


In the mind of the über- apologist, Davies, Roosevelt's gift to Stalin, it was Churchill’s attitude, not Soviet actions, that posed the threat to so-called unity. As Davies put it, “It was not the facts, so much as the interpretation of the facts, which might have a destructive effect.”
Diana West, "American Betrayal," and The Foreign Relations of the United States (FRUS) the conference of Berlin (Potsdam Conference), P. 70-71




Again??
They couldn't bear criticizing "the police states the Soviets were setting up in Europe."
"It’s not your facts, Prime Minister, it’s just your interpretation of the facts."



Thank you, Franklin Roosevelt.....Stalin couldn't have done it without you.