Has the United States become a Terrorist Organization; Killing Americans over Turtles

[The2ndAmendment]

This one is all yours Doc, LOL.

He just claimed 87% of Nevada is uninhabited, indeed it is all his, that's a pretty wild claim, a such an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof.

He also didn't' address criminal and civil jurisdictions, such as driving violations or violent crimes.

It is not a "wild claim", it's something that anyone who's spent any time at all in the west would know.

Have you ever been to Nevada?

Show us that 87% of Nevada is uninhabited. All Counties in Nevada have a population. All of these counties also have access to bodies of water. It appears that you believe that 87% of Nevada is in vassalage to the Federal Government.

 

[Vigilante]

Thanks, Vigilante, for nonsense, as usual. It's not the state's land, it is not Bundy's land, and is We the People's land.

Don't like it. Tough. You can't change it.

Are you and I part of WE THE PEOPLE?

WE all are - so if you think a freeloading welfare cowboy has a right to free feed for his cattle, then get your votes together and get the law changed.

I see your benefactor, called those patriots today "DOMESTIC TERRORISTS"!

HHmmmm.... Domestic terrorists..... Looking back into history, I imagine that an America claimed to be a British colony, and having England forcing TAXES. LAWS and REGULATIONS on the colonists, WITHOUT the colonists having a F'N word to say about what was being shoved down their throats, and having said colonists RESIST these unjustified acts, should be classified as DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.... Seems the correlation between Bundy and the FOUNDING FATHERS is quite similar, and without STRONG MEN of resolve and fairness, taking actions against ESTABLISHED LAW, THIS VERY COUNTRY, would NOT be here as we know it today!.... Next time some scumbag says something anti- patriot, remind the bastard where HE came from.... They won't understand it, they're brain dead, Kool-Aid drinkers, that only want to take, but gentlemen, you and others WILL get it. Thank you FOUNDING DOMESTIC TERRORISTS for what you did, the laws you broke, and the tyranny you were able to overthrow, may WE THE PEOPLE be as effective today!

 

[pvsi]

No one has been killed, dude. Histrionics just make your point even less intelligible.

Let's all be honest, in the absence of MSM, had the Alternative Media not been there they would have gone full Ruby Ridge on them.

The fact that the feds arrived in full military gear should be TERRIFying enough.

You're welcome to be as "TERRIFIED" as you like, but you shouldn't be surprised when no one takes you seriously because everything seems to terrify you.

Hold on there trooper. 1. I take the2nd Amendment more seriously than all the zombies bamboozled by the MSM, and 2. if no one was terrified then why all the guns by and all the terrified threads on this very message board about militias, the stand off and other stuff? never mind.

 

[Pheonixops]

No one has been killed, dude. Histrionics just make your point even less intelligible.

Let's all be honest, in the absence of MSM, had the Alternative Media not been there they would have gone full Ruby Ridge on them.

The fact that the feds arrived in full military gear should be TERRIFying enough.

There weren't any news cameras in Ruby Ridge? Was this on Federal property?

 

[whitehall]

What goes around comes around. When you look at it in a certain way the historic similarity to the federal abuse of Indians is similar to the federal abuse of the Bundy ranch. In every case of federal abuse going back to the freaking 1700's when slavery was legal and Indians were considered the enemy it's always a case where the media justifies the abuse and the citizens look the other way. The Bundy ranch has been on the property since the 1800's. Suddenly the federal government changed the rules and a freaking turtle gave the incredible gigantic federal bureaucracy the "right" to enforce environmental laws as a way to force people off the land that they have peaceably used for generations.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

He just claimed 87% of Nevada is uninhabited, indeed it is all his, that's a pretty wild claim, a such an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof.

He also didn't' address criminal and civil jurisdictions, such as driving violations or violent crimes.

It is not a "wild claim", it's something that anyone who's spent any time at all in the west would know.

Have you ever been to Nevada?

Show us that 87% of Nevada is uninhabited. All Counties in Nevada have a population. All of these counties also have access to bodies of water. It appears that you believe that 87% of Nevada is in vassalage to the Federal Government.

Seriously, ask one of your "Oathkeeper" friends who's been out west.

Here's a population density heat map of Nevada...

 

[Pheonixops]

These rightwingnut loons are hilarious. One minute it's a Chinese solar farm, the next turtles. Anything to avoid what is the real issue, and that is a deadbeat rancher that is overgrazing public lands, and not paying for his grazing. And the 'militias' that rushed down there are simply looking for their Horst Wessel. They are following the same script that the Brown Shirts did. Time for the government and fellow citizens to lean on the assholes real hard.

AL Sharpton owes 1.9 million in back taxes, and refuses to pay. Has the SWAT team surrounded his house yet?

Nope! He's off smozzing with the liar in Chief.

Was he trespassing on government land after he was ordered to vacate it?

 

[Pheonixops]

LOL - I never made mention of Article IV, Section 3.
It is not the Constitutional foundation for the point I have been making in this discussion.

Where on earth did you get such an idea?

Oh wait .... lemme guess .... a satire site?

Had I simply said the law is unconstitutional, you would have immediately quoted Art IV Sec 3, whilst purposely ignoring all the case law and Ratification debates that made it clear that the Admission of a State into the Union renders this clause operable for all US territories contained therein.

1. There is no "case law" that says what you think it does. Article 4 section 3 most certainly does apply to federal land within states.

2. Even if your argument was true (it's not), the Nevada state constitution also explicitly gives control and ownership of public lands in Nevada to the federal government.

Cliven Bundy Has No Claim to Federal Land and Grazing | The Wildlife News

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Here's a population density heat map of Nevada...

You're aware that a square mile isn't that much in a rural region correct?\

Your map proves that there are people living in these federal lands.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Here's a population density heat map of Nevada...

You're aware that a square mile isn't that much in a rural region correct?\

Your map proves that there are people living in these federal lands.

How does it "prove" that, exactly?

All that darker green, that's area with zero people living in it.

This really isn't up for debate, it's just the way things are. No one lives on BLM land, just like no one lives in National Parks. As soon as you realize that, we can move on.

 

[Vigilante]

Here's a population density heat map of Nevada...

You're aware that a square mile isn't that much in a rural region correct?\

Your map proves that there are people living in these federal lands.

How does it "prove" that, exactly?

All that darker green, that's area with zero people living in it.

This really isn't up for debate, it's just the way things are. No one lives on BLM land, just like no one lives in National Parks. As soon as you realize that, we can move on.

Some parks were established after individuals had already settled the area; in many of these cases, the original structures (typically referred to as "inholdings") may still be used. Usually, the inholdings must stay within the family that owned the house when the park acquired the land, and the house may not be sold to any entity besides the park.

Can a person live in a national park

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You're aware that a square mile isn't that much in a rural region correct?\

Your map proves that there are people living in these federal lands.

How does it "prove" that, exactly?

All that darker green, that's area with zero people living in it.

This really isn't up for debate, it's just the way things are. No one lives on BLM land, just like no one lives in National Parks. As soon as you realize that, we can move on.

Some parks were established after individuals had already settled the area; in many of these cases, the original structures (typically referred to as "inholdings") may still be used. Usually, the inholdings must stay within the family that owned the house when the park acquired the land, and the house may not be sold to any entity besides the park.

Can a person live in a national park

That's the exception, not the rule.

Are you also going to try to claim that people live on BLM land?

 

[joejonbob]

How does it "prove" that, exactly?

All that darker green, that's area with zero people living in it.

This really isn't up for debate, it's just the way things are. No one lives on BLM land, just like no one lives in National Parks. As soon as you realize that, we can move on.

Not really trying to start an argument, or be confrontational when I say this but:

What did you feel when you typed "no one lives on BLM land"

Did it come natural? Was there any conscious thought that statement?

The reason I point it out is because that is where this is headed in my opinion. The BLM are simply supposed to be stewards of the land working on behalf of the American people. Do you see how it is now "owned" by them in the overall conversation, at least according to one side of the argument.

Do you realize that people taking your stance, 3 days ago were pissed because it "was their land", or "our land". Now it is "BLM land".

That change, even if it is subtle, is what pisses people off. You are a pawn in this, parroting a message. It happens to be exactly what the BLM wants too.

Who exactly are the BLM?, and how they come to "own" such a large percentage of the United States?

 

[Vigilante]

How does it "prove" that, exactly?

All that darker green, that's area with zero people living in it.

This really isn't up for debate, it's just the way things are. No one lives on BLM land, just like no one lives in National Parks. As soon as you realize that, we can move on.

Some parks were established after individuals had already settled the area; in many of these cases, the original structures (typically referred to as "inholdings") may still be used. Usually, the inholdings must stay within the family that owned the house when the park acquired the land, and the house may not be sold to any entity besides the park.

Can a person live in a national park

That's the exception, not the rule.

Are you also going to try to claim that people live on BLM land?

Don't have to, just pointing out one of your mistakes, so that others can take what you say and research it!

But there is LONG TERM CAMPING ON PUBLIC LAND CONTROLLED BY BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT ... So apparently, since it isn't short term, people do live on BLM land!

 

[Pheonixops]

Were there really 200 armed feds there? Does anyone have a valid link from a real news source that shows them?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

How does it "prove" that, exactly?

All that darker green, that's area with zero people living in it.

This really isn't up for debate, it's just the way things are. No one lives on BLM land, just like no one lives in National Parks. As soon as you realize that, we can move on.

Not really trying to start an argument, or be confrontational when I say this but:

What did you feel when you typed "no one lives on BLM land"

Did it come natural? Was there any conscious thought that statement?

The reason I point it out is because that is where this is headed in my opinion. The BLM are simply supposed to be stewards of the land working on behalf of the American people. Do you see how it is now "owned" by them in the overall conversation, at least according to one side of the argument.

Do you realize that people taking your stance, 3 days ago were pissed because it "was their land", or "our land". Now it is "BLM land".

That change, even if it is subtle, is what pisses people off. You are a pawn in this, parroting a message. It happens to be exactly what the BLM wants too.

Who exactly are the BLM?, and how they come to "own" such a large percentage of the United States?

No, I refer to it as "BLM land" because I go out into BLM land frequently to shoot guns, and that's what everyone calls it. BLM land is different than National Park land, or State Park land, or any other sorts of public land. There are different rules, and people call it BLM land to prevent confusion.

BLM doesn't own the land, the United States of America does.

 

[Vigilante]

Were there really 200 armed feds there? Does anyone have a valid link from a real news source that shows them?

Is the Washington Times a real news source to you, or must it be a left wing organization, like the N.Y. Times?

Armed federal agents surround Nevada ranch in latest standoff - Washington Times

 

[JakeStarkey]

Are you and I part of WE THE PEOPLE?

WE all are - so if you think a freeloading welfare cowboy has a right to free feed for his cattle, then get your votes together and get the law changed.

I see your benefactor, called those patriots today "DOMESTIC TERRORISTS"!

HHmmmm.... Domestic terrorists..... Looking back into history, I imagine that an America claimed to be a British colony, and having England forcing TAXES. LAWS and REGULATIONS on the colonists, WITHOUT the colonists having a F'N word to say about what was being shoved down their throats, and having said colonists RESIST these unjustified acts, should be classified as DOMESTIC TERRORISTS.... Seems the correlation between Bundy and the FOUNDING FATHERS is quite similar, and without STRONG MEN of resolve and fairness, taking actions against ESTABLISHED LAW, THIS VERY COUNTRY, would NOT be here as we know it today!.... Next time some scumbag says something anti- patriot, remind the bastard where HE came from.... They won't understand it, they're brain dead, Kool-Aid drinkers, that only want to take, but gentlemen, you and others WILL get it. Thank you FOUNDING DOMESTIC TERRORISTS for what you did, the laws you broke, and the tyranny you were able to overthrow, may WE THE PEOPLE be as effective today!

Yup, militia mutts running around like Rambo junior wannabees, flourishing weapons and etc, is terroristic behavior.

Bundy is a welfare cheat, Vigilante, and your are supporting him.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Were there really 200 armed feds there? Does anyone have a valid link from a real news source that shows them?

Is the Washington Times a real news source to you, or must it be a left wing organization, like the N.Y. Times?

Armed federal agents surround Nevada ranch in latest standoff - Washington Times

Your article says that's a quote from Carol Bundy. I wouldn't call her a "real source".

 

[joejonbob]

No, I refer to it as "BLM land" because I go out into BLM land frequently to shoot guns, and that's what everyone calls it. BLM land is different than National Park land, or State Park land, or any other sorts of public land. There are different rules, and people call it BLM land to prevent confusion.

BLM doesn't own the land, the United States of America does.

Subtle changes, until it truly is owned by by them, and then there will definitely be no confusion.