Has science proved there is no God?

[Hollie]

The morality of the gods is lacking.

Doesn't "morality" change with time?

Much does, just like conceptions and inventions of gods.

 

[DriftingSand]

**snip**

The ICR is falsely labeled as "creation research". They do no actual research.

They promote biblical literalism at the expense of truth and evidence.

**snip**

Don't be an accomplice to the fraud that is the ICR.

The ICR is excellent! Lots of really good articles and common sense analysis of numerous scientific discoveries. Any intelligent person (excluding Holly) who would like to see two sides of the story should give the ICR an honest, unbiased look. Even if you hate Christians like Holly does you should still read the articles just to see that there is more than one way to look at the evidence.

The Institute for Creation Research

 

[Hollie]

**snip**

The ICR is falsely labeled as "creation research". They do no actual research.

They promote biblical literalism at the expense of truth and evidence.

**snip**

Don't be an accomplice to the fraud that is the ICR.

The ICR is excellent! Lots of really good articles and common sense analysis of numerous scientific discoveries. Any intelligent person (excluding Holly) who would like to see two sides of the story should give the ICR an honest, unbiased look. Even if you hate Christians like Holly does you should still read the articles just to see that there are more than one way to look at the evidence.

The Institute for Creation Research

It's laughable to suggest that the hyper-religious loons at the ICR are either honest or unbiased. They literally announce their bias. Have you read their tenets of faith?

Foundational Principles

 

[DriftingSand]

Statement from the Institute for Creation Research:

Explore ICR

For over four decades, the Institute for Creation Research has equipped believers with evidence of the Bible's accuracy and authority through scientific research, educational programs, and media presentations, all conducted within a thoroughly biblical framework.

Who We Are — Discover more about ICR’s history and mission.
What We Believe — Understand our biblical and scientific distinctives.
How We Do Research — Understand our approach to scientific investigation.

Discover ICR

 

[DriftingSand]

Evidence for Creation:

Evidence for Creation
God Does Exist
The best explanation for the cause of the reality we experience is an all-powerful, all-present, all-knowing, and loving God. More...

Real Truth Is Knowable
While we each have unique, subjective experiences, there is an absolute, objective truth that is obvious to everyone. More...

Nature Reveals the Creator
Nature eloquently testifies to an infinite, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, living, personal God. More...

Science Verifies the Creation
Evidence for special creation surrounds us. Everywhere from microscopic elements to the unfathomable recesses of the Universe, the Creator speaks to us through the things that He has made. More...

Scripture Is Unique

Good stuff Maynard: Evidence for Creation

 

[Hollie]

Statement from the Institute for Creation Research:

Explore ICR

For over four decades, the Institute for Creation Research has equipped believers with evidence of the Bible's accuracy and authority through scientific research, educational programs, and media presentations, all conducted within a thoroughly biblical framework.

Who We Are — Discover more about ICR’s history and mission.
What We Believe — Understand our biblical and scientific distinctives.
How We Do Research — Understand our approach to scientific investigation.

Discover ICR

ICR’s Approach to Scientific Investigation

How We Do Research

The Institute for Creation Research is unique among scientific research organizations. Our research is conducted within a biblical worldview, since ICR is committed to the absolute authority of the inerrant Word of God. The real facts of science will always agree with biblical revelation because the God who made the world of God inspired the Word of God.

All origins research must begin with a premise.1 ICR holds that the biblical record of primeval history in Genesis 1–11 is factual, historical, and clearly understandable and, therefore, that all things were created and made in six literal days. Life exists because it was created on Earth by a living Creator. Further, the biblical Flood was global and cataclysmic, and its after-effects therefore explain most of the stratigraphic and fossil evidence found in the earth’s crust. It is within this framework that ICR research is conducted.

 

[DriftingSand]

Evidence for God:

Evidence for God
Although there are some people who profess to be atheists, the Bible indicates that there is no such thing. Everyone knows that God exists, even though some may verbally deny it (even to themselves). Romans 1:18-21 teaches that God has made evidence of His existence so abundantly obvious to all mankind that there is no excuse for denying Him. It’s no surprise then that there are many lines of evidence that confirm this biblical truth.

Evidence for God

 

[Hollie]

Evidence for Creation:

Evidence for Creation
God Does Exist
The best explanation for the cause of the reality we experience is an all-powerful, all-present, all-knowing, and loving God. More...

Real Truth Is Knowable
While we each have unique, subjective experiences, there is an absolute, objective truth that is obvious to everyone. More...

Nature Reveals the Creator
Nature eloquently testifies to an infinite, eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, living, personal God. More...

Science Verifies the Creation
Evidence for special creation surrounds us. Everywhere from microscopic elements to the unfathomable recesses of the Universe, the Creator speaks to us through the things that He has made. More...

Scripture Is Unique

Good stuff Maynard: Evidence for Creation

There was no evidence presented.

 

[Hollie]

Evidence for God:

Evidence for God
Although there are some people who profess to be atheists, the Bible indicates that there is no such thing. Everyone knows that God exists, even though some may verbally deny it (even to themselves). Romans 1:18-21 teaches that God has made evidence of His existence so abundantly obvious to all mankind that there is no excuse for denying Him. It’s no surprise then that there are many lines of evidence that confirm this biblical truth.

Evidence for God

No evidence there.

 

[DriftingSand]

That's a Fact. These are short videos that cover interesting little facts that you won't find in the mainstream press or the established "scientific" community:

That's a Fact | Powered by ICR

 

[Hollie]

That's a Fact. These are short videos that cover interesting little facts that you won't find in the mainstream press or the established "scientific" community:

That's a Fact | Powered by ICR

Those videos should be titled: It's a joke

 

[shart_attack]

.

You have a point there.

 

[DriftingSand]

Questions and Answers:

Do Tree Rings Disprove the Genesis Chronology?
Creation Q&A | Brian Thomas, M.S.
Do Ice Cores Disprove Recent Creation?
Creation Q&A | Various Authors
What Is the Origin of Life?
Creation Q&A | Frank Sherwin, M.A.
Human and Chimp DNA--Nearly Identical?
Creation Q&A | Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D.
Was There an Ice Age?
Creation Q&A | Jake Hebert, Ph.D.
Does 'Y-Chromosome Adam' Refute Genesis?
Creation Q&A | Nathaniel T. Jeanson, Ph.D.
Don't Grand Canyon Rocks Showcase Deep Time?
Creation Q&A | Brian Thomas, M.S.
Does 'Homology' Prove Evolution?
Creation Q&A | Nathaniel T. Jeanson, Ph.D.
Could We Clone a Dinosaur?
Creation Q&A | Brian Thomas, M.S.
Do Young C-14 Results Reflect Contamination?
Creation Q&A | Jake Hebert, Ph.D.
What Are the Benefits of Spider Venom and Webs?
Creation Q&A | Frank Sherwin, M.A.
Does 'Junk' DNA Exist?
Creation Q&A | Nathaniel T. Jeanson, Ph.D.
Why Do Scientists Trust Flawed Methods?
Creation Q&A | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Institute for Creation Research

 

[DriftingSand]

That's a Fact. These are short videos that cover interesting little facts that you won't find in the mainstream press or the established "scientific" community:

That's a Fact | Powered by ICR

Those videos should be titled: It's a joke

Only if you're the star!

 

[Hollie]

.

You have a point there.

It's undeniable . <------ that's the point.

 

[DriftingSand]

Noah's Flood discussion. Very interesting and very possible:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb4s362Hcys#t=61]Fountains of the Great Deep - Hydroplate Theory - Dr. Walt Brown - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Hollie]

Eye on the ICR - Friday Falsehoods


https://eyeonicr.wordpress.com/2014/01/17/friday-falsehoods-1/#more-7074

 

[Hollie]

Noah's Flood discussion. Very interesting and very possible:

That was very silly.


Problems with a Global Flood, 2nd edition

 

[Hollie]

Creationist Whoppers
Various Authors

Creationist Whoppers

 

[Steven_R]

The Bible also says ritually killing birds will cure leprosy. Do you take that part as the literal truth as well?

I need chapter and verse for that, Steven. Please post it here. thanks.

Leviticus 14 2-52. Here's the KJV from BibleGateway.com
Leviticus 14 KJV - And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, - Bible Gateway

14 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

2 This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing: He shall be brought unto the priest:

3 And the priest shall go forth out of the camp; and the priest shall look, and, behold, if the plague of leprosy be healed in the leper;

4 Then shall the priest command to take for him that is to be cleansed two birds alive and clean, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:

5 And the priest shall command that one of the birds be killed in an earthen vessel over running water:

6 As for the living bird, he shall take it, and the cedar wood, and the scarlet, and the hyssop, and shall dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was killed over the running water:

7 And he shall sprinkle upon him that is to be cleansed from the leprosy seven times, and shall pronounce him clean, and shall let the living bird loose into the open field.

8 And he that is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes, and shave off all his hair, and wash himself in water, that he may be clean: and after that he shall come into the camp, and shall tarry abroad out of his tent seven days.

9 But it shall be on the seventh day, that he shall shave all his hair off his head and his beard and his eyebrows, even all his hair he shall shave off: and he shall wash his clothes, also he shall wash his flesh in water, and he shall be clean.

10 And on the eighth day he shall take two he lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish, and three tenth deals of fine flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and one log of oil.

11 And the priest that maketh him clean shall present the man that is to be made clean, and those things, before the Lord, at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation:

12 And the priest shall take one he lamb, and offer him for a trespass offering, and the log of oil, and wave them for a wave offering before the Lord:

13 And he shall slay the lamb in the place where he shall kill the sin offering and the burnt offering, in the holy place: for as the sin offering is the priest's, so is the trespass offering: it is most holy:

14 And the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and the priest shall put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot:

15 And the priest shall take some of the log of oil, and pour it into the palm of his own left hand:

16 And the priest shall dip his right finger in the oil that is in his left hand, and shall sprinkle of the oil with his finger seven times before the Lord:

17 And of the rest of the oil that is in his hand shall the priest put upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot, upon the blood of the trespass offering:

18 And the remnant of the oil that is in the priest's hand he shall pour upon the head of him that is to be cleansed: and the priest shall make an atonement for him before the Lord.

19 And the priest shall offer the sin offering, and make an atonement for him that is to be cleansed from his uncleanness; and afterward he shall kill the burnt offering:

20 And the priest shall offer the burnt offering and the meat offering upon the altar: and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and he shall be clean.

21 And if he be poor, and cannot get so much; then he shall take one lamb for a trespass offering to be waved, to make an atonement for him, and one tenth deal of fine flour mingled with oil for a meat offering, and a log of oil;

22 And two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, such as he is able to get; and the one shall be a sin offering, and the other a burnt offering.

23 And he shall bring them on the eighth day for his cleansing unto the priest, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, before the Lord.

24 And the priest shall take the lamb of the trespass offering, and the log of oil, and the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the Lord:

25 And he shall kill the lamb of the trespass offering, and the priest shall take some of the blood of the trespass offering, and put it upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot:

26 And the priest shall pour of the oil into the palm of his own left hand:

27 And the priest shall sprinkle with his right finger some of the oil that is in his left hand seven times before the Lord:

28 And the priest shall put of the oil that is in his hand upon the tip of the right ear of him that is to be cleansed, and upon the thumb of his right hand, and upon the great toe of his right foot, upon the place of the blood of the trespass offering:

29 And the rest of the oil that is in the priest's hand he shall put upon the head of him that is to be cleansed, to make an atonement for him before the Lord.

30 And he shall offer the one of the turtledoves, or of the young pigeons, such as he can get;

31 Even such as he is able to get, the one for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering, with the meat offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for him that is to be cleansed before the Lord.

32 This is the law of him in whom is the plague of leprosy, whose hand is not able to get that which pertaineth to his cleansing.

33 And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,

34 When ye be come into the land of Canaan, which I give to you for a possession, and I put the plague of leprosy in a house of the land of your possession;

35 And he that owneth the house shall come and tell the priest, saying, It seemeth to me there is as it were a plague in the house:

36 Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:

37 And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;

38 Then the priest shall go out of the house to the door of the house, and shut up the house seven days:

39 And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;

40 Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city:

41 And he shall cause the house to be scraped within round about, and they shall pour out the dust that they scrape off without the city into an unclean place:

42 And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other morter, and shall plaister the house.

43 And if the plague come again, and break out in the house, after that he hath taken away the stones, and after he hath scraped the house, and after it is plaistered;

44 Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house; it is unclean.

45 And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the morter of the house; and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.

46 Moreover he that goeth into the house all the while that it is shut up shall be unclean until the even.

47 And he that lieth in the house shall wash his clothes; and he that eateth in the house shall wash his clothes.

48 And if the priest shall come in, and look upon it, and, behold, the plague hath not spread in the house, after the house was plaistered: then the priest shall pronounce the house clean, because the plague is healed.

49 And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:

50 And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:

51 And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:

52 And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:

53 But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.

54 This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall,

55 And for the leprosy of a garment, and of a house,

56 And for a rising, and for a scab, and for a bright spot:

57 To teach when it is unclean, and when it is clean: this is the law of leprosy.