Has America strategically decided that Europe will soon be a vassal state of communist China and Russia?

[shockedcanadian]

Let us consider the WEF in Davos where Macron gives a speech openly begging China for investment and servitude. Alex Soros there with the gov. of California who is telling Europe to stand up.to HIS U.S president (huh?). Has America come to realize that Europe is probably lost and it is better to focus on the region of North/South America, the Middle Wast and Asia and just allow Europe to deal with their own battles? The U.K under Starmer,.with record low approval, has.allowed a massive, mega Chinese spy embassy to open up, after hiding that intelligence cables were intercepted. by China. Also, pushing digital I.D, a la CCP. Former PM Johnson blocking peace between Russia and Ukraine months into the war. It seems clear to me that America is looking out for their interests and the no longer intersect with Europe, a continent perhaps beyond saving. Am I wrong?

 

[Mac1958]

It appears that the goal is a tri-polar authoritarian world -- China, Russia and America each controlling, by internal force, its own general hemisphere. Those who voted for this, and those who are enabling it in DC and MAGA media, would be responsible for such an outcome.

This is why you only see Trump punching down, like a schoolyard bully. He sees Xi and Putin as his only peers, and anyone else as an impediment, a threat and a target.

What I don't know is if Russia/China have agreed to this on any level, or if this is just the manical ravings of people like Stephen Miller. Trump is clearly unwell and being used as a hammer. Miller has obviously mastered the techniques required to animate him.

Our former friends in Europe now see this, and are working as quickly as they can to retain their freedom. They know that we're not going to help them.

As for us, it's now down to congressional Republicans and American Generals. So we'll see.

 

[there4eyeM]

If anything is surprising, it is that any realist in either Europe or the US would think other than that the interests of the US are those of Europe and vice-versa.

 

[shockedcanadian]

It appears that the goal is a tri-polar authoritarian world -- China, Russia and America each controlling, by internal force, its own general hemisphere. Those who voted for this, and those who are enabling it in DC and MAGA media, would be responsible for such an outcome.

This is why you only see Trump punching down, like a schoolyard bully. He sees Xi and Putin as his only peers, and anyone else as an impediment, a threat and a target.

What I don't know is if Russia/China have agreed to this on any level, or if this is just the manical ravings of people like Stephen Miller. Trump is clearly unwell and being used as a hammer. Miller has obviously mastered the techniques required to animate him.

Our former friends in Europe now see this, and are working as quickly as they can to retain their freedom. They know that we're not going to help them.

As for us, it's now down to congressional Republicans and American Generals. So we'll see.

Interesting, so perhaps I am not seeing things. However, you don't blame Europe in particular for their circumstances? Leaders have sunk their nations. America didnt tell Germany to sink their nuclear energy,.who does that to their own nation? Look at what Starmer is doing. They turned their back on America for 25 years. Their nations have changed drastically. They don't own this shift? If you watched Davos today, these elite are NOT concerned for citizens freedoms, they are still pushing climate change. China loves these people.

 

[Dorian Mode]

People who have followed geopolitics for decades knows one key American strategy is to keep the entire continent of Europe, Russia and China from uniting into a single bloc that conveniently sits over the world's bread basket, AKA the Middle East and Africa. China desperately wants this and has already made peace with Russia and is mending their relationship with India. Europe will eventually fall because it is weak and bankrupt and America can no longer afford to support it and police the world. America is also bankrupt. The world is changing, China is rising quickly to the top superpower position and can't be defeated without nuking the world. It's time for a new foreign policy that takes all this into account. It seems to me America has decided to concentrate on maintaining a smaller sphere of interest limited to the western hemisphere.

 

[Mac1958]

Interesting, so perhaps I am not seeing things. However, you don't blame Europe in particular for their circumstances? Leaders have sunk their nations. America didnt tell Germany to sink their nuclear energy,.who does that to their own nation? Look at what Starmer is doing. They turned their back on America for 25 years. Their nations have changed drastically. They don't own this shift? If you watched Davos today, these elite are NOT concerned for citizens freedoms, they are still pushing climate change. China loves these people.

Europe is guilty of becoming far too dependent on the USA.

But they don't deserve being thrown under the bus -- a lifetime Trump specialty -- in months without time to prepare. Trump playing the victim -- another lifetime specialty -- is causing great harm to our former friends, our former allies. Much worse because they are under direct military threat from Russia, and trying to help Ukraine.

I know that Trumpsters don't care about that, and I wouldn't try to change their minds.

America alone. We deserve what we get.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Europe is guilty of becoming far too dependent on the USA.

But they don't deserve being thrown under the bus -- a lifetime Trump specialty -- in months without time to prepare. Trump playing the victim -- another lifetime specialty -- is causing great harm to our former friends, our former allies.

I know that Trumpsters don't care about that, and I wouldn't try to change their minds.

America alone. We deserve what we get.

Biden won in 2020 in a heavily contested election. China and European leaders celebrated. A couple of years in Russia, with Chinas approval; attacked Ukraine with Biden as leader. PM Johnson prevented a peace deal. None of this is on Trump

 

[Mac1958]

Biden won in 2020 in a heavily contested election. China and European leaders celebrated. A couple of years in Russia, with Chinas approval; attacked Ukraine with Biden as leader. PM Johnson prevented a peace deal. None of this is on Trump

A President can't just deal with issues of his own making. I assume that anyone would know that.

If you want to believe that the way he is doing this is the only way, great. That's certainly what I would expect.

As I said, I wouldn't try to convince you of anything.

 

[shockedcanadian]

A President can't just deal with issues of his own making. I assume that anyone would know that.

If you want to believe that the way he is doing this is the only way, great. That's certainly what I would expect.

As I said, I wouldn't try to convince you of anything.

I assume he is advised of what is going on in Europe. JD and Rubio have both also been direct with Europe but their leaders do not care, they are gone, some even compromised. Trump seems to be ripping off the band-aid. I am not a fan of much of his language but he is being direct about it as he knows the U.S is being stressed and China is sittiing back allowing Ukraine to bankrupt the U.S. Meanwhile, they infiltrate the West, Cali/NY and Wall Street to influence career politicians.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Biden won in 2020 in a heavily contested election. China and European leaders celebrated. A couple of years in Russia, with Chinas approval; attacked Ukraine with Biden as leader. PM Johnson prevented a peace deal. None of this is on Trump

BS.

 

[kyzr]

People who have followed geopolitics for decades knows one key American strategy is to keep the entire continent of Europe, Russia and China from uniting into a single bloc that conveniently sits over the world's bread basket, AKA the Middle East and Africa. China desperately wants this and has already made peace with Russia and is mending their relationship with India. Europe will eventually fall because it is weak and bankrupt and America can no longer afford to support it and police the world. America is also bankrupt. The world is changing, China is rising quickly to the top superpower position and can't be defeated without nuking the world. It's time for a new foreign policy that takes all this into account. It seems to me America has decided to concentrate on maintaining a smaller sphere of interest limited to the western hemisphere.

You paint a very dark portrait. Is military conquest the goal? Or is the goal economic domination?
Can the US fix its $38T debt problem? Can the EU outlast Russia's economic collapse and its own imported internal strife?
I hope your last sentence is true, we should clean up our own hemisphere first.

 

[shockedcanadian]

BS.

Who cares? Everone knows he speaks in hyperbole. He didnt start it and Europe has been resisting the end of the war, so F them. They can own it. THEY place land over life but get mad at Trump for wanting Greenland, THEN they send troops in. Europe is a corrupt continent of career politicians who rarely earn their positions, certainly not via merit. They are a massive bureaucracy of double speak.

 

[shockedcanadian]

BS.

Argue against what I said. Stop ignoring reality, Europe is lost and it is due to their system of kingdoms. You left Europe for the right reasons, to start a new nation with a new system and Constitution.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Who cares?

Everyone should.

Everone knows he speaks in hyperbole.

Yeah, that's the problem.
Trump is also, the world's worst liar.

He didnt start it and Europe has.been resisted the end of the war, so F them. They can own it. THEY place land over life but get mad at Trump for wanting Greenland, THEN they send troops in.

Yeah because Trump is a ******* lying nut job.
Greenland should tell the US military base to pack their shit and get the **** out.

Europe is a corrupt continent of career politicians who rarely earn their positions, certainly not via merit. They are a massive bureaucracy of double speak.

That's Trump his regime and his cult.

 

[Mac1958]

Everyone should.
Yeah, that's the problem.
Trump is also, the world's worst liar.
Yeah because Trump is a ******* lying nut job.
Greenland should tell the US military base to pack their shit and get the **** out.
That's Trump his regime and his cult.

I've tried for ten years to get them to understand that THE WAY you address a problem can be AT LEAST as important as addressing the problem in the FIRST place.

There is nothing I can say to get them to understand that. So I just gave up. It's pointless.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Argue against what I said. Stop ignoring reality, Europe is lost and it is due to their system of kingdoms. You left Europe for the right reasons, to start a new nation with a new system and Constitution.

Awwwwwww................
You RWNJ's don't say the same thing about the life long parasite.........ISRAEL.
Guess who helped us in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Denmark and Europe
Israel didn't send one solder.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

I've tried for ten years to get them to understand that THE WAY you address a problem can be AT LEAST as important as addressing the problem in the FIRST place.

There is nothing I can say to get them to understand that. So I just gave up. It's pointless.

It's like trying to reason with a 5 year old in the candy isle of a grocery store, just like their dear leader.

The world's worst snowflake.

 

[22lcidw]

Everyone should.

Yeah, that's the problem.
Trump is also, the world's worst liar.

Yeah because Trump is a ******* lying nut job.
Greenland should tell the US military base to pack their shit and get the **** out.

That's Trump his regime and his cult.

I would partition the United States if I could. You go your way and others will go theirs. And there are many people who are not against many of your agendas that will not go with you guys. You're the intellectuals. So, it's your advantage.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Awwwwwww................
You RWNJ's don't say the same thing about the life long parasite.........ISRAEL.
Guess who helped us in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Denmark and Europe
Israel didn't send one solder.

Wow, you are a blody fool. Take the tinfoil hat off comrade. European leaders were elected,.probably with an invisible hand from China. No one else is to blame.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Everyone should.

Yeah, that's the problem.
Trump is also, the world's worst liar.

Yeah because Trump is a ******* lying nut job.
Greenland should tell the US military base to pack their shit and get the **** out.

That's Trump his regime and his cult.

America is going bankrupt, your allies are weak and China and Russia are expanding their militaries, if not fighting already. What do you think this will mean for America and the West if you dont have maximum global leverage and advantage? ThE U.K JUST APPROVED THE LARGEST CHINESE SPY EMBASSY IN LONDON. Wake the hell up, this isnt your grandpas Europe. There is a reason America.didnt share with the U.K their decisions in Iran or Venezuela, notice that both operations ran flawlessly? No leaks of intelligence. Wake the F up!