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Ibid.
Hard Work or Liberalism?
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PC is fun to watch as she wiggles around. 
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PC is fun to watch as she wiggles around.
I make specific, valid points, and support every point I make.
You remain a low-life liar.
Everyone tells you that, don't they, Jakal.
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You rarely make valid points and did not this time, either. PC, I am glad you were adopted to America, because if you had stayed in NK you would have been advising your master, "nuke em, beloved sir, nuke em!!!"
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It's "rub" not "rug" and we all witness your delusions on a daily basis.
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6. The America that Obama has created:
a. "92,898,000 Americans were not in the labor force in February, according to data released from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) on Friday. ...The 157,002,000 who participated in the labor force was 62.8 percent of the 249,899,000 civilian noninsttutional population, which matches the 62.8 percent rate in April, May, June, and October of 2014 as well as the participation rate in March of 1978. The participation rate hit its lowest level since February 1978 (62.7 percent) in September and December of 2014.
62.8 Labor Force Participation Has Hovered Near 37-Year-Low for 11 Months CNS News
b. (CNSNews.com) - A record 56,023,000 women, age 16 years and over, were not in the labor force in February.,,, According to the BLS, 56.7 percent of women were participating in the labor force in February, a drop from 56.8 percent in January. 56 023 000 Record Number of Women Not in Labor Force CNS News
c. "(CNSNews.com)-- In June 2014, there were 46,496,145 recipients of the food stamp program, which is enough to fill the Yankee Stadium 925 times, according todata fromthe Department of Agriculture " 46 496 145 Food Stamp Recipients Can Fill Yankee Stadium 925 Times CNS News
Liberalism......the attempt to make all of America into a Detroit.
a. "92,898,000 Americans were not in the labor force in February, according to data released from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) on Friday. ...The 157,002,000 who participated in the labor force was 62.8 percent of the 249,899,000 civilian noninsttutional population, which matches the 62.8 percent rate in April, May, June, and October of 2014 as well as the participation rate in March of 1978. The participation rate hit its lowest level since February 1978 (62.7 percent) in September and December of 2014.
62.8 Labor Force Participation Has Hovered Near 37-Year-Low for 11 Months CNS News
b. (CNSNews.com) - A record 56,023,000 women, age 16 years and over, were not in the labor force in February.,,, According to the BLS, 56.7 percent of women were participating in the labor force in February, a drop from 56.8 percent in January. 56 023 000 Record Number of Women Not in Labor Force CNS News
c. "(CNSNews.com)-- In June 2014, there were 46,496,145 recipients of the food stamp program, which is enough to fill the Yankee Stadium 925 times, according todata fromthe Department of Agriculture " 46 496 145 Food Stamp Recipients Can Fill Yankee Stadium 925 Times CNS News
Liberalism......the attempt to make all of America into a Detroit.
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Food stamps are the result of administration failures.
Today's 46 million begins with Bush. And it continues with Obama.
Balance, little PC, balance.
Today's 46 million begins with Bush. And it continues with Obama.
Balance, little PC, balance.
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I've put you in your place.
You've served the purpose you were born to serve.
You're dismissed.
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7. With Liberalism at the helm, this is the kind of people the nation is producing: able-bodied, but not ashamed to live off their neighbors.
" Mak, 31, grew up in Westchester, graduated from the University of Chicago and toiled in publishing in New York during his 20s before moving to Baltimore last year with a meager part-time blogging job and prospects for little else. About half of his friends in Baltimore have been getting food stamps since the economy toppled, so he decided to give it a try; to his delight, he qualified for $200 a month.
“I’m sort of a foodie, and I’m not going to do the ‘living off ramen’ thing,” he said, fondly remembering a recent meal he’d prepared of roasted rabbit with butter, tarragon and sweet potatoes. “I used to think that you could only get processed food and government cheese on food stamps, but it’s great that you can get anything.”
But they also note that recent changes made to the program as part of last year’s stimulus package, which relaxed the restrictions on able-bodied adults without dependents to collect food stamps, have made some young singles around the country eligible for the first time.
“There are many 20-somethings from educated families who go through a period of unemployment and live very frugally, maybe even technically in poverty, who now qualify,” said Parke Wilde, a food economist at Tufts University who has written extensively about food stamp usage and policy." Hipsters on food stamps - Salon.com
Liberalism:
"....relaxed the restrictions on able-bodied adults without dependents to collect food stamps,..."
This based on Paul's maxim of 2 Thessalonians 3:10, "... if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either."
" Mak, 31, grew up in Westchester, graduated from the University of Chicago and toiled in publishing in New York during his 20s before moving to Baltimore last year with a meager part-time blogging job and prospects for little else. About half of his friends in Baltimore have been getting food stamps since the economy toppled, so he decided to give it a try; to his delight, he qualified for $200 a month.
“I’m sort of a foodie, and I’m not going to do the ‘living off ramen’ thing,” he said, fondly remembering a recent meal he’d prepared of roasted rabbit with butter, tarragon and sweet potatoes. “I used to think that you could only get processed food and government cheese on food stamps, but it’s great that you can get anything.”
But they also note that recent changes made to the program as part of last year’s stimulus package, which relaxed the restrictions on able-bodied adults without dependents to collect food stamps, have made some young singles around the country eligible for the first time.
“There are many 20-somethings from educated families who go through a period of unemployment and live very frugally, maybe even technically in poverty, who now qualify,” said Parke Wilde, a food economist at Tufts University who has written extensively about food stamp usage and policy." Hipsters on food stamps - Salon.com
Liberalism:
"....relaxed the restrictions on able-bodied adults without dependents to collect food stamps,..."
This based on Paul's maxim of 2 Thessalonians 3:10, "... if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either."
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Bear in mind, it isn't as though Liberalism hasn't been proven to be a failure.
And, Liberal 'welfare,' specifically.
Here....see for yourself: no supporter of Liberalism will be able to deny the following
8. The government conducted a study, 1971-1978 known as the Seattle-Denver Income Maintenance Experiment, or SIME-DIME, in which low income families were give a guaranteed income, a welfare package with everything liberal policy makers could hope for. Result: for every dollar of extra welfare given, low income recipients reduced their labor by 80 cents. http://www.policyarchive.org/handle/10207/bitstreams/12794.pdf
a. The results for husbands show that the combination of negative income tax plans tested in SIME/DIME — which, as already mentioned, represents on average a relatively generous cash transfer program with a guarantee of 115% of the poverty line and a tax rate of 50% — has a significant negative effect on hours worked per year.
Overview of the Final Report of the SIME DIME Report]
b. Further results: dissolution of families: “This conclusion was unambiguously unfavorable to advocates of a negative income tax that would cover married couples, for two important reasons.
First, increased marital breakups among the poor would increase the numbers on welfare and the amount of transfer payments, principally because the separated wife and children would receive higher transfer payments.
Second, marital dissolutions and the usual accompanying absence of fathers from households with children are generally considered unfavorable outcomes regardless of whether or not the welfare rolls increase.” http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/conf/conf30/conf30c.pdf
c, “When families received guaranteed income at 90% of the poverty level, there was a 43% increase in black family dissolution and a 63% increase in white family dissolution. At 125% of the poverty levels, dissolutions were 75% and 40%.”
Robert B. Carleson, “Government Is The Problem,” p. 57.
So.....Liberalism....or Hard Work.
Which is better for people, and for society?
There is no debate.
And, Liberal 'welfare,' specifically.
Here....see for yourself: no supporter of Liberalism will be able to deny the following
8. The government conducted a study, 1971-1978 known as the Seattle-Denver Income Maintenance Experiment, or SIME-DIME, in which low income families were give a guaranteed income, a welfare package with everything liberal policy makers could hope for. Result: for every dollar of extra welfare given, low income recipients reduced their labor by 80 cents. http://www.policyarchive.org/handle/10207/bitstreams/12794.pdf
a. The results for husbands show that the combination of negative income tax plans tested in SIME/DIME — which, as already mentioned, represents on average a relatively generous cash transfer program with a guarantee of 115% of the poverty line and a tax rate of 50% — has a significant negative effect on hours worked per year.
Overview of the Final Report of the SIME DIME Report]
b. Further results: dissolution of families: “This conclusion was unambiguously unfavorable to advocates of a negative income tax that would cover married couples, for two important reasons.
First, increased marital breakups among the poor would increase the numbers on welfare and the amount of transfer payments, principally because the separated wife and children would receive higher transfer payments.
Second, marital dissolutions and the usual accompanying absence of fathers from households with children are generally considered unfavorable outcomes regardless of whether or not the welfare rolls increase.” http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/conf/conf30/conf30c.pdf
c, “When families received guaranteed income at 90% of the poverty level, there was a 43% increase in black family dissolution and a 63% increase in white family dissolution. At 125% of the poverty levels, dissolutions were 75% and 40%.”
Robert B. Carleson, “Government Is The Problem,” p. 57.
So.....Liberalism....or Hard Work.
Which is better for people, and for society?
There is no debate.
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9. "Behold [the] pack of lies we promote and believe today: that honest work is a curse and idleness a blessing; that happiness comes from materialism; that luxuries are a birthright; that redistributing wealth is only fair; that it is more blessed to receive than to give.
Now, one in five Americans say the most practical way to amass wealth and the best hope of financial security is to win the lottery.Among those who make less than $25,000 per year, it’s two in five. Not to work hard, or save, or invest soundly, or contribute a useful product or service to the free market—but to flush money down a whirlpool of impossiblility and cross your fingers.
Nonsense. Don’t believe the propaganda that life gets better only when it gets easier. "
The Trumpet, Op. Cit.
a. How about lottery winners….initial happiness didn’t last! “As predicted, lottery winners were not happier than [the control group] and took significantly less pleasure from a series of mundane events. “
Lottery winners and accident victims is happiness relative - PubMed - NCBI
10. Now, how about those who follow the above prescription, to 'work hard, or save, or invest soundly, or contribute a useful product or service to the free market'?
a. Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
b. Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers. Salary Search CareerBuilder.com
c. “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall, 38% in government and in private business, …” Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
d. The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year. Salary Search CareerBuilder.com
So….if it’s not money….what is it people desire? The answer is earned success....the ability to create value with your life, or in the lives of others.
Clearly the term ‘profit’ means different things to different people.
Liberalism, materialism, Marxism.....not related to happiness.
Now, one in five Americans say the most practical way to amass wealth and the best hope of financial security is to win the lottery.Among those who make less than $25,000 per year, it’s two in five. Not to work hard, or save, or invest soundly, or contribute a useful product or service to the free market—but to flush money down a whirlpool of impossiblility and cross your fingers.
Nonsense. Don’t believe the propaganda that life gets better only when it gets easier. "
The Trumpet, Op. Cit.
a. How about lottery winners….initial happiness didn’t last! “As predicted, lottery winners were not happier than [the control group] and took significantly less pleasure from a series of mundane events. “
Lottery winners and accident victims is happiness relative - PubMed - NCBI
10. Now, how about those who follow the above prescription, to 'work hard, or save, or invest soundly, or contribute a useful product or service to the free market'?
a. Entrepreneurs of all types rate their well-being higher than any other professional group in America.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/the-self-employed-are-the-happiest/
b. Think it’s because they’re making beaucoup bucks? Wrong. Small business owners make 19% less than government managers. Salary Search CareerBuilder.com
c. “WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of self-employed Americans (49%) report working more than 44 hours in a typical work week, compared to 39% of American workers overall, 38% in government and in private business, …” Self-Employed Workers Clock the Most Hours Each Week
d. The average small-business owner earns $44,576 per year. Salary Search CareerBuilder.com
So….if it’s not money….what is it people desire? The answer is earned success....the ability to create value with your life, or in the lives of others.
Clearly the term ‘profit’ means different things to different people.
Liberalism, materialism, Marxism.....not related to happiness.
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11. "America was once famed for its industry and independence. The nation was admired worldwide for being a nation of producers and doers.
That ideal has been discarded. Socialist-influenced thinking, entitlements and the rise of the welfare state have fundamentally transformed America.
In fiscal year 2013, the United States’ federal government spent $3.8 trillion after adjusting for all its “off budget” outlays. It works out to a little more than $31,000 per American household.
Of that amount, $2.56 trillion was spent on one thing:human resources.That is the government’s innocuous term for the portion of the budget also known as “mandatory spending,” orsocial programs..... Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
....the list of benefits certain Americans are entitled to includes a cornucopia of other human resource programs that provide cash or near-cash assistance. They include housing, nutrition and utility assistance to individuals, and benefits to various retirees, people with disabilities, and the unemployed. They also include unemployment insurance, Trade Adjustment Assistance income support, food stamps, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, and foster care.
And people are claiming these benefits like never before...more than 153 million people—almost half of Americans—receive some form of government benefit."
“Until 1960 the accepted task of the federal government, in keeping with its constitutional charge, was governing,” wrote social scientist Nicholas Eberstadt. “In a very real sense, entitlements have turned American governance upside-down” (Aug. 31, 2012). Dependent - theTrumpet.com
That ideal has been discarded. Socialist-influenced thinking, entitlements and the rise of the welfare state have fundamentally transformed America.
In fiscal year 2013, the United States’ federal government spent $3.8 trillion after adjusting for all its “off budget” outlays. It works out to a little more than $31,000 per American household.
Of that amount, $2.56 trillion was spent on one thing:human resources.That is the government’s innocuous term for the portion of the budget also known as “mandatory spending,” orsocial programs..... Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
....the list of benefits certain Americans are entitled to includes a cornucopia of other human resource programs that provide cash or near-cash assistance. They include housing, nutrition and utility assistance to individuals, and benefits to various retirees, people with disabilities, and the unemployed. They also include unemployment insurance, Trade Adjustment Assistance income support, food stamps, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, and foster care.
And people are claiming these benefits like never before...more than 153 million people—almost half of Americans—receive some form of government benefit."
“Until 1960 the accepted task of the federal government, in keeping with its constitutional charge, was governing,” wrote social scientist Nicholas Eberstadt. “In a very real sense, entitlements have turned American governance upside-down” (Aug. 31, 2012). Dependent - theTrumpet.com
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12. "Percent of U.S. federal budget spent on welfare and social programs:
1929 21%
1940 34.4%
1955 19.9%
1975 50.2%
1985 47.6%
1995 57%
2005 49%
2015 70.1%
Or.....to put that another way, In 2013, $2.563 trillion was spent on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
At the same time, $0.702 trillion was spent on defense. Dependent - theTrumpet.com
1929 21%
1940 34.4%
1955 19.9%
1975 50.2%
1985 47.6%
1995 57%
2005 49%
2015 70.1%
Or.....to put that another way, In 2013, $2.563 trillion was spent on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
At the same time, $0.702 trillion was spent on defense. Dependent - theTrumpet.com
Jakey, my bud, be nice to PC as she is but one member of an ethnicity that will soon be taking over as a majority in America. Good thing, too, if anyone has to do it, as the Asiatic people are the most skilled, educated and happiest of all. This country needs more of them. They will bring prosperity to America through their advanced interest and educations in science and math, etc., as well as happy and intact home lives.
They are a disciplined culture, as America once was before progressives started manually rearranging the true meaning of the Constitution.
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13. The Founders of our once-great nation were classical liberals, meaning conservatives. The nation they envisioned, and memorialized in our founding documents was based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Today we have two modern Liberal entities, the Democrats and the Democrat-lites. They are based on envy, jealousy, redistribution (theft), identity politics, group-grievances, and the collective.
There is no way to explain the sea change outside of this: Joseph Staling won WWII.
14. A scholarly view of political history would show that the law of the land, the Constitution, makes very clear what the authority of the federal government includes: the enumerated power, Article 1, section 8....and how Progressives corrupted it. Let's review:
a. "Congress is NOT authorized to pass any law on any subject just because a majority in Congress think the law is a good idea! Instead, the areas in which Congress is authorized to act are strictly limited and defined (“enumerated”).
WE delegated to Congress the following Enumerated Powers over the Country at Large:
Article I, § 8, clauses 1-16 delegate to Congress the powers ....But afterthe Progressives took over the federal government during the early 1900s, the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today.
The Progressives are the ones who imposed the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, and benefits some people [e.g., welfare parasites, labor unions & obama donors] at the expense of others." CONGRESS ENUMERATED POWERS Publius-Huldah s Blog
b. "The Constitution was, from its very origin, contemplated to be the frame of a national government, of special and enumerated powers, and not of general and unlimited powers." —Justice Joseph Story (1833)
c, "Nonetheless, the promise of limited federal power eventually succumbed to the pressures of expanding federal power in the 20th century, most notably during the New Deal era and President Franklin D. Roosevelt's "court packing" scheme." Pilon, Roger."How Constitutional Corruption Has Led to Ideological Litmus Tests for Judicial Nominees".Cato Policy Analysis(Cato Institute)446: 1–19."
d. “…the general [federal] government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws.Its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated objects…” Federalist 14
And so ended a great and noble experiment in limited constitutional governance.
Today we have two modern Liberal entities, the Democrats and the Democrat-lites. They are based on envy, jealousy, redistribution (theft), identity politics, group-grievances, and the collective.
There is no way to explain the sea change outside of this: Joseph Staling won WWII.
14. A scholarly view of political history would show that the law of the land, the Constitution, makes very clear what the authority of the federal government includes: the enumerated power, Article 1, section 8....and how Progressives corrupted it. Let's review:
a. "Congress is NOT authorized to pass any law on any subject just because a majority in Congress think the law is a good idea! Instead, the areas in which Congress is authorized to act are strictly limited and defined (“enumerated”).
WE delegated to Congress the following Enumerated Powers over the Country at Large:
Article I, § 8, clauses 1-16 delegate to Congress the powers ....But afterthe Progressives took over the federal government during the early 1900s, the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today.
The Progressives are the ones who imposed the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, and benefits some people [e.g., welfare parasites, labor unions & obama donors] at the expense of others." CONGRESS ENUMERATED POWERS Publius-Huldah s Blog
b. "The Constitution was, from its very origin, contemplated to be the frame of a national government, of special and enumerated powers, and not of general and unlimited powers." —Justice Joseph Story (1833)
c, "Nonetheless, the promise of limited federal power eventually succumbed to the pressures of expanding federal power in the 20th century, most notably during the New Deal era and President Franklin D. Roosevelt's "court packing" scheme." Pilon, Roger."How Constitutional Corruption Has Led to Ideological Litmus Tests for Judicial Nominees".Cato Policy Analysis(Cato Institute)446: 1–19."
d. “…the general [federal] government is not to be charged with the whole power of making and administering laws.Its jurisdiction is limited to certain enumerated objects…” Federalist 14
And so ended a great and noble experiment in limited constitutional governance.
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"Hard Work or Liberalism?"
Yet another failed thread from the OP, in this case a false dilemma fallacy.
And yet further proof the OP is a liar.
Yet another failed thread from the OP, in this case a false dilemma fallacy.
And yet further proof the OP is a liar.
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I note that you haven't mentioned any fallacy nor any lie.
Are you whining again because you don't know the Constitution as well as I?
You should have studied harder, C_Chamber_Pot.
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The PCs will never take over the country, my friend, because the Millennials simply do not hold her extreme beliefs socially, politically, or religiously. They are socially libertarian and while economically sound, they are not neo-corporatist at all. They are not afraid of government as a constructive player. And the boomers will vote against anyone proposing programs that threaten their retirement. The PCs are indeed in the small minority and will remain so.
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Hard Work or Liberalism?
sad to say...
but we may have crossed that point where we have
too many in the cart being pulled by too few
sad to say...
but we may have crossed that point where we have
too many in the cart being pulled by too few
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