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[JoeB131]

The only thing we can be sure of if Germany had won if that the Russian Revolution would have occurred.

Perhaps.

But if the war had ended in 1917 with a peace favorable to the Central Powers, rather than the Bolsheviks taking over, there might have been a peaceful revolution that turned the Tsar into a constitutional monarch.

The toppling of the Houses of Hohenzollern, Habsburg, Osman, Romanov, and Aisen-Goro (okay, that last one happened before the war) toppled the world into chaos.

The world would have been far better off if these nations evolved into constitutional monarchies like the UK did.

Instead, we got Fascism, Bolshevism, another World War, a Cold War that brought the world to the brink.

 

[Hector12]

Perhaps.

But if the war had ended in 1917 with a peace favorable to the Central Powers, rather than the Bolsheviks taking over, there might have been a peaceful revolution that turned the Tsar into a constitutional monarch.

The toppling of the Houses of Hohenzollern, Habsburg, Osman, Romanov, and Aisen-Goro (okay, that last one happened before the war) toppled the world into chaos.

The world would have been far better off if these nations evolved into constitutional monarchies like the UK did.

Instead, we got Fascism, Bolshevism, another World War, a Cold War that brought the world to the brink.

We would have still had Italian Fascism. Italy was an allied country. Mussolini would have come to power. Germany would have imposed heavy reparations on France.

 

[Hector12]

Jew derangement syndrome is a sickness much in the same way as Trump derangement syndrome . It's psychological disorder. The difference being, Jew derangement syndrome has been around for 3,000 years... weak , vulnerable, minds like yourself are prime candidates for this psychosis.

JoeB131 hates the most accomplished 0.2% of the human population and makes excuses for a race characterized by low intelligence and high rates of crime and illegitimacy. To hear JoeB131 talk about it we force those people to fail in school, to commit all those crimes against us, and to have all those illegitimate children that we are expected to support on welfare.

 

[Jroc]

The world would have been so much better off if they had. Germany and Austria-Hungary would have eventually turned into Constitutional Monarchies (they were already heading in that direction). Perhaps Russia as well.

Instead, what you had was the rise of Fascism and Bolshevism in Europe. And we all see how that turned out.

It's all the Jews fault.... dumbass

 

[Jroc]

Except 8 of the 11 top revolutionaries in Germany were... wait for it... Jews.

In short, regular Germans, who really didn't want to depose the Kaiser and certainly didn't want to sign a peace treaty for a war where they still had the advantage, were certainly angry about what had been done to them by these revolutionaries.

None of this excuses what the Nazis did.

But you can certainly see how the political right painted the political left as "The Other".

Just like MAGAts today try to paint the Democrats as being "The Other" because they tend to be people of color. Or make racist comments about someone's wife because he found out she was Chinese.



Um, read the Gospel of John, the man goes on and on about "The Jews" wanting to do harm to the J-man! Of course, this Gospel was written when Christianity became its own thing and was more focused on the mystical elements of Jesus.



Again, read the Gospel of John, it is pretty explicit that there was a divide amongst the Jews and the Christians.



Sure I read the bible... for a good laugh.

Seems like if you read it, you don't understand it.

You live in the alternate universe China boy..... And making disparaging comments on people's wives it's not allowed on the board ...any comments are directed to you at you, and about you China boy for constantly and continually standing with your Chinese Communist benefactors

 

[Jroc]

JoeB131 hates the most accomplished 0.2% of the human population and makes excuses for a race characterized by low intelligence and high rates of crime and illegitimacy. To hear JoeB131 talk about it we force those people to fail in school, to commit all those crimes against us, and to have all those illegitimate children that we are expected to support on welfare.

He doesn't really believe that stuff he just throws stuff out there to antagonize... The Jew hate is real, the rest of it is b******* out of the dark recesses of his little pea brain when he first came here it's slightly different views but he always hated the Jews.

He calls one of the most brilliant economists of our time Thomas Sowell an Uncle Tom, while he makes excuses for black kids in the inner cities acting like animals and slaughtering each other

 

[toomuchtime_]

Except 8 of the 11 top revolutionaries in Germany were... wait for it... Jews.

In short, regular Germans, who really didn't want to depose the Kaiser and certainly didn't want to sign a peace treaty for a war where they still had the advantage, were certainly angry about what had been done to them by these revolutionaries.

None of this excuses what the Nazis did.

But you can certainly see how the political right painted the political left as "The Other".

Just like MAGAts today try to paint the Democrats as being "The Other" because they tend to be people of color. Or make racist comments about someone's wife because he found out she was Chinese.



Um, read the Gospel of John, the man goes on and on about "The Jews" wanting to do harm to the J-man! Of course, this Gospel was written when Christianity became its own thing and was more focused on the mystical elements of Jesus.



Again, read the Gospel of John, it is pretty explicit that there was a divide amongst the Jews and the Christians.



Sure I read the bible... for a good laugh.

Seems like if you read it, you don't understand it.

As always nothing but lies and bullshit from you. The Kaiser fled because the German military was in mutiny and popular support had moved to the Social Democrats. The Kaiser fled because he no longer had the support of the military or the people. Only an ignorant bigot like yourself or a nazi would claim these massive changes in Germany were caused by the Jews.

Again, there were no Christians during Jesus' life, there were only Jews, some of whom believed he was the Messiah, others who believed he was a blasphemer for claiming to be the Messiah, and still others who had no interest in this obscure preacher. So while there was some bitterness between those Jews who believed Jesus was the Messiah and those who didn't, the real bitterness didn't begin until long after Jesus was dead when those who professed to believe he was the Messiah refused to fight against the Romans and thereby earned the contempt of the rest of the nation.

Christianity was not recognized as a religion distinct from Judaism until the 4th century.

As always, no matter what you are looking at, all you can see is your hatred of Jews.

 

[JoeB131]

We would have still had Italian Fascism. Italy was an allied country. Mussolini would have come to power. Germany would have imposed heavy reparations on France.

Would we have, though? Mussolini came to power because the other powers screwed Italy. They didn't get the land they were promised and they didn't get any of Germany's colonies.

As always nothing but lies and bullshit from you. The Kaiser fled because the German military was in mutiny and popular support had moved to the Social Democrats. The Kaiser fled because he no longer had the support of the military or the people. Only an ignorant bigot like yourself or a nazi would claim these massive changes in Germany were caused by the Jews.

But who instigated the strikes and mutinies that caused the military to stop supporting the Kaiser.... was it.. the Jews?

Why, yes. Yes, it was.

Again, there were no Christians during Jesus' life, there were only Jews, some of whom believed he was the Messiah, others who believed he was a blasphemer for claiming to be the Messiah, and still others who had no interest in this obscure preacher. So while there was some bitterness between those Jews who believed Jesus was the Messiah and those who didn't, the real bitterness didn't begin until long after Jesus was dead when those who professed to believe he was the Messiah refused to fight against the Romans and thereby earned the contempt of the rest of the nation.

Actually, here's the thing. I don't think Jesus actually existed as a flesh and blood person. I think he's someone Saul of Tarsus made up to promote his whacky religious movement, and then everyone else piled on, making up stories of him coming back from the dead and walking on water and all that stuff.

The problem with the books of the NT is that they aren't arranged in order. The Epistles were written first, some by Paul, others by people pretending to be Paul. They are very light on supernatural claims.

Then came the Gospel of Mark. Very subdued, and it didn't even originally end with a resurrected Jesus.

Then came Matthew and Luke, who heavily did some heavy FanFic on Mark. adding contradictory Nativity stories with a ten-year gap in when Jesus was actually born.

Finally, there was John, which was written at a time when Christianity was clearly its own thing, and therefore the Jews became the villains of the story for not accepting Jesus as the Messiah.

Thus 2000 years of Christians treating Jews like crap.

Then everyone felt bad about the Holocaust, and lo and behold, forget what the Bible says, it was those mean old Romans who killed Jesus... or maybe Satan.

 

[JoeB131]

He calls one of the most brilliant economists of our time Thomas Sowell an Uncle Tom, while he makes excuses for black kids in the inner cities acting like animals and slaughtering each other

Right, he's one of the "Good ones".

 

[toomuchtime_]

Would we have, though? Mussolini came to power because the other powers screwed Italy. They didn't get the land they were promised and they didn't get any of Germany's colonies.



But who instigated the strikes and mutinies that caused the military to stop supporting the Kaiser.... was it.. the Jews?

Why, yes. Yes, it was.



Actually, here's the thing. I don't think Jesus actually existed as a flesh and blood person. I think he's someone Saul of Tarsus made up to promote his whacky religious movement, and then everyone else piled on, making up stories of him coming back from the dead and walking on water and all that stuff.

The problem with the books of the NT is that they aren't arranged in order. The Epistles were written first, some by Paul, others by people pretending to be Paul. They are very light on supernatural claims.

Then came the Gospel of Mark. Very subdued, and it didn't even originally end with a resurrected Jesus.

Then came Matthew and Luke, who heavily did some heavy FanFic on Mark. adding contradictory Nativity stories with a ten-year gap in when Jesus was actually born.

Finally, there was John, which was written at a time when Christianity was clearly its own thing, and therefore the Jews became the villains of the story for not accepting Jesus as the Messiah.

Thus 2000 years of Christians treating Jews like crap.

Then everyone felt bad about the Holocaust, and lo and behold, forget what the Bible says, it was those mean old Romans who killed Jesus... or maybe Satan.

As always, no matter what you are looking at you able to see nothing but your hatred of Jews. Far from causing Germany's defeat in WW1, the German Jews served in numbers far greater than their percent of the population and of the 100,000 Jews who served, 18,000 were awarded the Iron Cross. Despite centuries of abuse in Germany, when WW1 broke out, German Jews were among the most patriotic Germans, some Jews were advocates for democracy and some remained loyal to the Kaiser. The Kaiser fled because both the military and the people of Germany had lost confidence in his leadership and he lacked the character to face the mess he had made.

The fact is that during Jesus' life there were no Christians, just Jews who believed he was the Messiah and those who didn't, and those who had no idea this controversy was going on.

 

[Jroc]

Right, he's one of the "Good ones".

Indeed..You leftist scumbags we judge people by their accomplishments not by how much of a victim you perceive there....crazy

 

[Jroc]

Perhaps.

But if the war had ended in 1917 with a peace favorable to the Central Powers, rather than the Bolsheviks taking over, there might have been a peaceful revolution that turned the Tsar into a constitutional monarch.

The toppling of the Houses of Hohenzollern, Habsburg, Osman, Romanov, and Aisen-Goro (okay, that last one happened before the war) toppled the world into chaos.

The world would have been far better off if these nations evolved into constitutional monarchies like the UK did.

Instead, we got Fascism, Bolshevism, another World War, a Cold War that brought the world to the brink.

Got to love this fool.... Tauts the virtues of the Chinese Communist party and the Communist revolution in China and makes excuses for the 40 to 50 million people who died of starvation as a result of Mao's Soviet style communism, at the same time , he talks about the horror of the Communist revolution in Russia ....this guy is a piece of work

 

[Hector12]

Got to love this fool.... Tauts the virtues of the Chinese Communist party and the Communist revolution in China and makes excuses for the 40 to 50 million people who died of starvation as a result of Mao's Soviet style communism, at the same time , he talks about the horror of the Communist revolution in Russia ....this guy is a piece of work

JoeB131 hates the most accomplished 0.2% of the human population and makes excuses for a race characterized by low intelligence, crime, and illegitimacy.

 

[JoeB131]

As always, no matter what you are looking at you able to see nothing but your hatred of Jews. Far from causing Germany's defeat in WW1, the German Jews served in numbers far greater than their percent of the population and of the 100,000 Jews who served, 18,000 were awarded the Iron Cross. Despite centuries of abuse in Germany, when WW1 broke out, German Jews were among the most patriotic Germans, some Jews were advocates for democracy and some remained loyal to the Kaiser. The Kaiser fled because both the military and the people of Germany had lost confidence in his leadership and he lacked the character to face the mess he had made.

Again, as we used to say when I was in the Army, one "oh, shit" erases 100 "Attaboys!"

The role of radical leftist Jews in causing the November Revolution, even if a lot of Germans agreed at the time, was quickly a source of anger when people realized the raw deal Germany got after the war.

You know, right after they got done eating the family pet in 1919 (because the Allies kept the blockades on Germany until they signed Versailles), they were looking for someone to blame.

Austrian Postcard from 1919.

The fact is that during Jesus' life there were no Christians, just Jews who believed he was the Messiah and those who didn't, and those who had no idea this controversy was going on.

Again, don't think Jesus actually existed.

The thing is, both Judaism and Christianity were offshoots of the Judean culture. Specifically, the Pharisees eventually became modern Judaism, while the Sadducees and Zealots were doomed to (theological) extinction.

Got to love this fool.... Tauts the virtues of the Chinese Communist party and the Communist revolution in China and makes excuses for the 40 to 50 million people who died of starvation as a result of Mao's Soviet style communism, at the same time , he talks about the horror of the Communist revolution in Russia

Russia isn't China.

Communism in Russia actually WAS a disaster, because before the Bolsheviks took over, Russia was a monarchy slowly progressing towards democracy.

China, on the other hand (and your knowledge of Chinese history is sorely lacking) was a hot mess from the moment that Puyi was forced to abdicate in 1912 to the victory of the CCP in 1949. Warlordism, invasions, massive corruption from the KMT. There's a reason why Chinese flocked to Mao's banner, and a reason why they still revere him today, even though they aren't quite so hot on Communism.

JoeB131 hates the most accomplished 0.2% of the human population and makes excuses for a race characterized by low intelligence, crime, and illegitimacy.

No, I hate them because they are entitled assholes who think they are God's gift to the universe. Oh, yeah, and the Genocide.

 

[Hector12]

No, I hate them because they are entitled assholes who think they are God's gift to the universe. Oh, yeah, and the Genocide.

Why do you care what Jews think about themselves? The only person I have ever encountered who said that Jews were God's Chosen People was Charles Murray:

Jewish Genius,​

Jews are extravagantly overrepresented in every field of intellectual accomplishment. Why?
by Charles Murray, Commentary April 2007

Since its first issue in 1945, COMMENTARY has published hundreds of articles about Jews and Judaism. As one would expect, they cover just about every important aspect of the topic. But there is a lacuna, and not one involving some obscure bit of Judaica. COMMENTARY has never published a systematic discussion of one of the most obvious topics of all: the extravagant overrepresentation of Jews, relative to their numbers, in the top ranks of the arts, sciences, law, medicine, finance, entrepreneurship, and the media.

I have personal experience with the reluctance of Jews to talk about Jewish accomplishment—my co-author, the late Richard Herrnstein, gently resisted the paragraphs on Jewish IQ that I insisted on putting in The Bell Curve (1994). ..

I am naked before the evolutionary psychologists’ ultimate challenge. Why should one particular tribe at the time of Moses, living in the same environment as other nomadic and agricultural peoples of the Middle East, have already evolved elevated intelligence when the others did not?

At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people.

Jewish Genius

------------

Jews are hated by those who have spent their live watching Jews get better grades, better jobs, and batter incomes. Now they live in fear of being fired from their jobs and replaced by more intelligent, better paid Jews who will perform their jobs faster, better, and with les effort before being promoted to better things.

 

[JoeB131]

Why do you care what Jews think about themselves?

Well, because what they think about themselves has an effect on the rest of us.

You know, when they keep dragging us into wars because they think God gave them Palestine... Kind of sucks if you are one of the kids who come back in a box or missing limbs.

 

[Hector12]

Well, because what they think about themselves has an effect on the rest of us.

You know, when they keep dragging us into wars because they think God gave them Palestine... Kind of sucks if you are one of the kids who come back in a box or missing limbs.

The Jews have never dragged us into any war. The Israelis have always done their own fighting, and they have done it very well. We fought the War in the Gulf to keep Saddam from controlling the world price of petroleum. We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq in response to 9/11.

You hate Jews because you need to hate and because Jews tend to be intelligent, successful, and prosperity.

The same Jewish superiority you resent I admire.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Again, as we used to say when I was in the Army, one "oh, shit" erases 100 "Attaboys!"

The role of radical leftist Jews in causing the November Revolution, even if a lot of Germans agreed at the time, was quickly a source of anger when people realized the raw deal Germany got after the war.

You know, right after they got done eating the family pet in 1919 (because the Allies kept the blockades on Germany until they signed Versailles), they were looking for someone to blame.

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Austrian Postcard from 1919.



Again, don't think Jesus actually existed.

The thing is, both Judaism and Christianity were offshoots of the Judean culture. Specifically, the Pharisees eventually became modern Judaism, while the Sadducees and Zealots were doomed to (theological) extinction.



Russia isn't China.

Communism in Russia actually WAS a disaster, because before the Bolsheviks took over, Russia was a monarchy slowly progressing towards democracy.

China, on the other hand (and your knowledge of Chinese history is sorely lacking) was a hot mess from the moment that Puyi was forced to abdicate in 1912 to the victory of the CCP in 1949. Warlordism, invasions, massive corruption from the KMT. There's a reason why Chinese flocked to Mao's banner, and a reason why they still revere him today, even though they aren't quite so hot on Communism.



No, I hate them because they are entitled assholes who think they are God's gift to the universe. Oh, yeah, and the Genocide.

Again, no matter what you are looking at the only thing you ever see is your hatred of Jews.

AI Overview



Yes, the German people suffered immensely during World War I
, experiencing massive casualties, severe food shortages due to the Allied blockade, economic hardship, and a collapse in morale, culminating in civilian deaths from hunger and disease and profound societal trauma that influenced the nation's future, says the International Encyclopedia of the First World War.
Key Areas of Suffering:

• Military Losses: Over 2 million German soldiers were killed, a devastating demographic blow, notes the International Encyclopedia of the First World War, impacting families and society deeply.
• Naval Blockade & Starvation: The British naval blockade cut off food and raw material imports, leading to widespread malnutrition, disease, and an estimated 474,000 excess civilian deaths by 1919 from hunger and related illnesses, according to the Wikipedia page on Germany during WWI.
• Economic Hardship: Food output plummeted, shortages were common, and inefficient state controls led to reduced consumption, creating hardship and fueling a black market.
• "Turnip Winter" & Ersatz Goods: Severe food shortages, especially during the "Turnip Winter," forced reliance on poor-quality "ersatz" (replacement) foods, affecting nutrition and morale.
• Morale Collapse: The combination of casualties, shortages, and the realization the war was lost in 1918 led to a sharp decline in morale, affecting soldiers and civilians alike, says the International Encyclopedia of the First World War.
• Spanish Flu Pandemic: The 1918 pandemic hit Germany hard, adding to the suffering alongside military failures and shortages.

In essence, Germany faced a "perfect storm" of military defeat, civilian hardship, and societal breakdown, leaving deep scars and contributing to later political instability, note the International Encyclopedia of the First World War and the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

The German military and German people didn't turn against the Kaiser because of radicals, Jewish or otherwise, but because the Kaiser's failed leadership had brought Germany to ruin.

First you claim the Jews killed Jesus and then you claim Jesus never existed. Clearly, you're not playing with a full deck.

 

[Hector12]

Again, no matter what you are looking at the only thing you ever see is your hatred of Jews.

AI Overview



Yes, the German people suffered immensely during World War I
, experiencing massive casualties, severe food shortages due to the Allied blockade, economic hardship, and a collapse in morale, culminating in civilian deaths from hunger and disease and profound societal trauma that influenced the nation's future, says the International Encyclopedia of the First World War.
Key Areas of Suffering:

• Military Losses: Over 2 million German soldiers were killed, a devastating demographic blow, notes the International Encyclopedia of the First World War, impacting families and society deeply.
• Naval Blockade & Starvation: The British naval blockade cut off food and raw material imports, leading to widespread malnutrition, disease, and an estimated 474,000 excess civilian deaths by 1919 from hunger and related illnesses, according to the Wikipedia page on Germany during WWI.
• Economic Hardship: Food output plummeted, shortages were common, and inefficient state controls led to reduced consumption, creating hardship and fueling a black market.
• "Turnip Winter" & Ersatz Goods: Severe food shortages, especially during the "Turnip Winter," forced reliance on poor-quality "ersatz" (replacement) foods, affecting nutrition and morale.
• Morale Collapse: The combination of casualties, shortages, and the realization the war was lost in 1918 led to a sharp decline in morale, affecting soldiers and civilians alike, says the International Encyclopedia of the First World War.
• Spanish Flu Pandemic: The 1918 pandemic hit Germany hard, adding to the suffering alongside military failures and shortages.

In essence, Germany faced a "perfect storm" of military defeat, civilian hardship, and societal breakdown, leaving deep scars and contributing to later political instability, note the International Encyclopedia of the First World War and the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

The German military and German people didn't turn against the Kaiser because of radicals, Jewish or otherwise, but because the Kaiser's failed leadership had brought Germany to ruin.

First you claim the Jews killed Jesus and then you claim Jesus never existed. Clearly, you're not playing with a full deck.

Contrary to what JoeB131 claims, the Germans in World War I were not stabbed in the back by Jews. They were stabbed in the front by a victorious alliance of Great Britian, France, and the United States.

Germany deserved to lose World War I because it turned a war that should have been restricted to the Balkans into a world war.

 

[JoeB131]

The Jews have never dragged us into any war.

I seem to remember the Gulf War, the Occupation of Lebanon, and the War on Terror.

Since 1980, we've occupied, bombed, or invaded 14 countries in the Middle East trying to play Hall Monitor, and the influence of AIPAC has a lot to do with it.

This isn't an academic question for me. I remember making out my last will at age 28 because my unit was up for rotation in the Gulf War. (A war we had no problem with until AIPAC told us we did.)

Contrary to what JoeB131 claims, the Germans in World War I were not stabbed in the back by Jews. They were stabbed in the front by a victorious alliance of Great Britian, France, and the United States.

Um, not really. When the Armistice came, Allied boots weren't in Germany, German boots were in France.

The revolutionaries stabbed Germany in the back. Or at least, that's what most Germans came to believe. Just like most MAGAts seem to think the 2020 Election was "Stolen".

Germany deserved to lose World War I because it turned a war that should have been restricted to the Balkans into a world war.

No, Germany lived up to its treaty obligations.

Let's review. Serbia murdered the Archduke. Austria rightfully went to war over that. Russia attacked Serbia and the French joined in.