Gun culture or parenting culture?

[BULLDOG]

And a cop is supposed to know that when somebody is pulling one out of the front of his pants?

That's one reason we give cops bulletproof vests, so they can ask questions first.

Oh sure, that will stop a criminal from putting a bullet in your head. The kid was less than ten feet away from the cop.

And he was a 12 year old kid with a plastic toy.

 

[BULLDOG]

I had cap guns, toy machine guns, noise-making schlessingers when I was a kid.

I had bb guns, Daisy cock and Crosman 760 pumps.

Got my 1st .22 when I was 11

Like you, I had a BB gun,

...from where 12 year old Tamir Rice was gunned down by a police officer who thought his air-soft toy gun was the real thing. They blamed the cop of course, but never the irresponsible mother who let that kid go into the park with his toy gun where he was pointing it at cars going by. In fact, the city of Cleveland rewarded her irresponsibility by giving her 6 million dollars.

You know that an air-soft is more NERF pistol than a BB gun. It fires plastic not metal, and can't even hurt someone at point blank range.

And a cop is supposed to know that when somebody is pulling one out of the front of his pants?

A cop is supposed to spend more than 2 seconds evaluating the situation before they decide to kill a 12 year od boy.

Not when you only have one second to make a decision.

So why did he have 1 second? Why did he drive up within 10 feet of the boy, instead of stopping far enough back to evaluate what was happening

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Like you, I had a BB gun,

...from where 12 year old Tamir Rice was gunned down by a police officer who thought his air-soft toy gun was the real thing. They blamed the cop of course, but never the irresponsible mother who let that kid go into the park with his toy gun where he was pointing it at cars going by. In fact, the city of Cleveland rewarded her irresponsibility by giving her 6 million dollars.

You know that an air-soft is more NERF pistol than a BB gun. It fires plastic not metal, and can't even hurt someone at point blank range.

And a cop is supposed to know that when somebody is pulling one out of the front of his pants?

A cop is supposed to spend more than 2 seconds evaluating the situation before they decide to kill a 12 year od boy.

Not when you only have one second to make a decision.

So why did he have 1 second? Why did he drive up within 10 feet of the boy, instead of stopping far enough back to evaluate what was happening

That was not the intention of the officer driving the car. It was raining that day and he tried to turn the car sideways in case shots were fired. The car slid and that's where it ended up.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And a cop is supposed to know that when somebody is pulling one out of the front of his pants?

That's one reason we give cops bulletproof vests, so they can ask questions first.

Oh sure, that will stop a criminal from putting a bullet in your head. The kid was less than ten feet away from the cop.

And he was a 12 year old kid with a plastic toy.

So how was the cop supposed to know that?

Here is the toy gun vs the real gun it was crafted from. You tell me that you would be able to tell the difference if somebody was pulling it out in front of you:

 

[BULLDOG]

You know that an air-soft is more NERF pistol than a BB gun. It fires plastic not metal, and can't even hurt someone at point blank range.

And a cop is supposed to know that when somebody is pulling one out of the front of his pants?

A cop is supposed to spend more than 2 seconds evaluating the situation before they decide to kill a 12 year od boy.

Not when you only have one second to make a decision.

So why did he have 1 second? Why did he drive up within 10 feet of the boy, instead of stopping far enough back to evaluate what was happening

That was not the intention of the officer driving the car. It was raining that day and he tried to turn the car sideways in case shots were fired. The car slid and that's where it ended up.

Link, or did you just pull that out of your ass?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And a cop is supposed to know that when somebody is pulling one out of the front of his pants?

A cop is supposed to spend more than 2 seconds evaluating the situation before they decide to kill a 12 year od boy.

Not when you only have one second to make a decision.

So why did he have 1 second? Why did he drive up within 10 feet of the boy, instead of stopping far enough back to evaluate what was happening

That was not the intention of the officer driving the car. It was raining that day and he tried to turn the car sideways in case shots were fired. The car slid and that's where it ended up.

Link, or did you just pull that out of your ass?

Nope, I listend to an interview on the radio by one of the investigators. If you go to the video, you can clearly see it was gloomy and rainy. The officer expected the suspect to run which is what usually happens on gun calls, so he tried to position his car so the suspect would run away from the rec center and not towards it where kids were.

 

[BULLDOG]

And a cop is supposed to know that when somebody is pulling one out of the front of his pants?

That's one reason we give cops bulletproof vests, so they can ask questions first.

Oh sure, that will stop a criminal from putting a bullet in your head. The kid was less than ten feet away from the cop.

And he was a 12 year old kid with a plastic toy.

So how was the cop supposed to know that?

Here is the toy gun vs the real gun it was crafted from. You tell me that you would be able to tell the difference if somebody was pulling it out in front of you:

View attachment 122860

A cop killed an innocent kid with a toy for no good reason. Quit trying to pretend it is excusable

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And a cop is supposed to know that when somebody is pulling one out of the front of his pants?

That's one reason we give cops bulletproof vests, so they can ask questions first.

Oh sure, that will stop a criminal from putting a bullet in your head. The kid was less than ten feet away from the cop.

And he was a 12 year old kid with a plastic toy.

So how was the cop supposed to know that?

Here is the toy gun vs the real gun it was crafted from. You tell me that you would be able to tell the difference if somebody was pulling it out in front of you:

View attachment 122860

A cop killed an innocent kid with a toy for no good reason. Quit trying to pretend it is excusable

As far as the officer was concerned, he was no kid, and he was pulling a real gun. Tell me you wouldn't have done the same. Did you ignore the above picture showing the toy and real gun side by side?

 

[BULLDOG]

A cop is supposed to spend more than 2 seconds evaluating the situation before they decide to kill a 12 year od boy.

Not when you only have one second to make a decision.

So why did he have 1 second? Why did he drive up within 10 feet of the boy, instead of stopping far enough back to evaluate what was happening

That was not the intention of the officer driving the car. It was raining that day and he tried to turn the car sideways in case shots were fired. The car slid and that's where it ended up.

Link, or did you just pull that out of your ass?

Nope, I listend to an interview on the radio by one of the investigators. If you go to the video, you can clearly see it was gloomy and rainy. The officer expected the suspect to run which is what usually happens on gun calls, so he tried to position his car so the suspect would run away from the rec center and not towards it where kids were.

So was that noted in any police report, or any report of any kind? NO. The cop killed an innocent boy with a toy gun for no good reason. There is nothing you can say to justify that.

 

[2aguy]

Again ---- as I just posted ---- it doesn't mean literally everybody does it.

What it means, plain and simple, is that everybody's encouraged to do it. By treating Almighty Gun as a god instead of a weapon.

No.....we do not encourage it. The only one close to encouraging it is the MSM, and I wouldn't even charge them with doing it.

When we get a nut with a gun, our police respond. They kill the suspect in many cases, or the kook realizes that he has no way out and kills himself. How is that encouraging more of that kind of activity?

If they are taken alive, they are locked up in prison or a mental facility the rest of their lives. Some like Dylann Roof are sentenced to death.

Saying we encourage mass killings is like saying we promote recreational drug usage. And in fact, we do promote recreational narcotics more than killing people with guns.

Yes "we" DO encourage it. You may not consider yourself personally involved but "we" means the culture --- the values of death taught from birth by endless war toys, endless TV shows and movies, endless hero worship comic books etc etc etc. I certainly don't encourage it either but that doesn't mean I turn a blind eye to the sensory blitz that exists and thrives without (and despite) my influence.

So again --- if the mother isn't giving the kid this idea... and let's stipulate for the sake of argument that the father is not present........... from where exactly is he going to derive this conclusion, if not the myriad sources I have cited? Where? This is I believe your whole question in your title.

In this particular case, she almost did condone her kid carrying a gun. She certainly doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

When I was a child, we used to watch westerns. The old west and people who lived and died by the gun. Yet never a problem with kids and guns like we have today. We used to watch the Three Stooges. They used to take hammers and hit each other over the heads with them. That doesn't mean we were encouraging kids to be hammer murderers.

Television and movies have minimal (if any) influence on young criminals. Knowing they can get away with something is encouragement.

Kids are influenced by a lot of things--mostly their peers. But it's up to the parents to make sure that their children don't act on those influences. Sitting back and saying "They have to learn their own lessons" is just completely irresponsible. A father in the home willing to kick your ass for even the thought of having a gun is a very strong deterrent.

And war movies, and westerns........but what we didn't have was rap music and thug culture........rap music is one of the worst influences on the youth.....

It is, but hardly responsible for the gun carrying thugs today. Entertainment is just that--entertainment. Anybody who takes action on such entertainment is screwed up in the head in the first place.

You couple thug culture with single teenage girls raising young males without adult male fathers.....

 

[Skull Pilot]

And a cop is supposed to know that when somebody is pulling one out of the front of his pants?

That's one reason we give cops bulletproof vests, so they can ask questions first.

Oh sure, that will stop a criminal from putting a bullet in your head. The kid was less than ten feet away from the cop.

And he was a 12 year old kid with a plastic toy.

you have one second after I point this at you to tell me if it's a real gun or a toy

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not when you only have one second to make a decision.

So why did he have 1 second? Why did he drive up within 10 feet of the boy, instead of stopping far enough back to evaluate what was happening

That was not the intention of the officer driving the car. It was raining that day and he tried to turn the car sideways in case shots were fired. The car slid and that's where it ended up.

Link, or did you just pull that out of your ass?

Nope, I listend to an interview on the radio by one of the investigators. If you go to the video, you can clearly see it was gloomy and rainy. The officer expected the suspect to run which is what usually happens on gun calls, so he tried to position his car so the suspect would run away from the rec center and not towards it where kids were.

So was that noted in any police report, or any report of any kind? NO. The cop killed an innocent boy with a toy gun for no good reason. There is nothing you can say to justify that.

The jury and I both disagree with you. When an officers life is threatened, he has every right to use deadly force. I'm not a police office, but I am an armed citizen, and even I would be justified using deadly force in that situation.

When you perceive that your life is about to end, yes, that is a good reason to use your firearm in self defense.

 

[BULLDOG]

That's one reason we give cops bulletproof vests, so they can ask questions first.

Oh sure, that will stop a criminal from putting a bullet in your head. The kid was less than ten feet away from the cop.

And he was a 12 year old kid with a plastic toy.

So how was the cop supposed to know that?

Here is the toy gun vs the real gun it was crafted from. You tell me that you would be able to tell the difference if somebody was pulling it out in front of you:

View attachment 122860

A cop killed an innocent kid with a toy for no good reason. Quit trying to pretend it is excusable

As far as the officer was concerned, he was no kid, and he was pulling a real gun. Tell me you wouldn't have done the same. Did you ignore the above picture showing the toy and real gun side by side?

I'm not a cop who is trained to deal with those situations, but even I know that was a stupid thing for the cop to do. If he is incapable of dealing with situations like that better than a random internet poster, his training was wasted on him, he shouldn't be a cop.

 

[2aguy]

I found a local gun story that I wanted to share because the accused is a minor. Kids with guns are not all that unusual (especially here in Cleveland) but what I found most telling is the response of the mother.

In short, this kid was arrested for having BB gun in a public park (very similar to the Tamir Rice situation) a year earlier. The judge went easy on the kid, but now the 16 year old was busted having a real loaded gun. Here are some quotes from the mother:

"He has to learn the right way. I can't stop him." When the I TEAM asked where he got the gun this time, his mother said, "I don't know. Don't know. He was using it for protection. He was walking down the street and people would shoot at him. Nowadays, that's what you need for protection. I don't consider it a good thing."

That mom says she did talk to her son before the Parma BB gun incident and after it. Didn’t matter. She said, “Kids these days need to learn their own lessons. He's learning his lessons."

Teen caught with BB gun at Parma park now busted with gun; mom says she can’t stop him

With the path this kid is on, it's more than likely he'll be dead or in prison for murder the next decade. Then the left will blame the guns.

Another thing that struck me: she said "I don't know, and I can't stop him." Not "We can't stop him" as if there was a father figure around. This woman practically justified her son illegally carrying a likely stolen gun underage. When he gets older and arrested for shooting somebody, I'm sure the mother will once again respond to a news interview by saying "My baby didn't do nutting wrong, he's a good boy." If he gets gunned down in the street, well........then I guess he "learned his own lessons."

There is more to it than a parenting problem. There's a society problem.

In what world do kids think they need weapons to protect themselves? Well, in a society that is failing to protect people, to instill morals into kids and all of that.

The right love to say how it's the parents' fault. The problem is that the right will also push the very same parents to work 80 hours a week so the rich can get richer. They also don't place any responsibility on schools to help deal with all the issues out there. So, the right essentially like to create the environment for this kind of thing, and then ***** and moan that the parents aren't doing anything about it.

Really? You mean it was the right that promoted single-parent families? It was the right that told women to give up their husband for a job? The right promoted that???

Well if it's a society problem and the mother was correct in saying he needed the gun for protection, why not give every 16 year old in the ghetto a gun for protection? After all, it's not a parenting issue now is it?

Maybe.......just maybe if this kid had a father around, he might not be in trouble today. Maybe.....just maybe, with a husband and father, they would be able to afford a nicer area to live with two incomes.

Zero tolerance programs and minimum sentencing. You voted for it and thought it a good idea. But in a country where white people get probation and black people go to jail, THIS is why there are no black fathers around. You can't send all the young black men to jail and then ***** that children have no fathers.

And that is a lie......those in jail are there because they deserve to be there especially the violent criminals....

There are no black fathers around because the democrats created the Great Society which gave out welfare as it kicked husbands out of the family of poor Americans.....we now have teenage girls who get government money every time they have a child ....and if they have a husband....they lose that money.....and yet you morons don't understand that ass backwards incentive program......that is why no fathers are around...then the young males raised by the single teenage girls become violent socipaths because the revolving door of boyfriends teach them violence and crime...not self control and resposiblity....


Try that book...."Life At the Bottom," seeing it happening in Britain might show you how it happens here.....

No Ray baby, it wasn't Democrats and feminists that destroyed the black family, it was Reagan's War on Drugs, and minimum sentencing, which caused the rate of incareration to quadruple from 1980 onward:

http://sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Trends-in-US-Corrections.pdf

https://www.nap.edu/read/18613/chapter/4

Federal Prison Population Spiked 790 Percent Since 1980

But thanks for reinforcing those Republican talking points about how the poor did it to themselves.

No moron...it was the Great Society....the drug problem is a result of single teenage girls becoming mothers...without husbands...the adult males who are supposed to channel the aggression of young males into productive lives...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No.....we do not encourage it. The only one close to encouraging it is the MSM, and I wouldn't even charge them with doing it.

When we get a nut with a gun, our police respond. They kill the suspect in many cases, or the kook realizes that he has no way out and kills himself. How is that encouraging more of that kind of activity?

If they are taken alive, they are locked up in prison or a mental facility the rest of their lives. Some like Dylann Roof are sentenced to death.

Saying we encourage mass killings is like saying we promote recreational drug usage. And in fact, we do promote recreational narcotics more than killing people with guns.

Yes "we" DO encourage it. You may not consider yourself personally involved but "we" means the culture --- the values of death taught from birth by endless war toys, endless TV shows and movies, endless hero worship comic books etc etc etc. I certainly don't encourage it either but that doesn't mean I turn a blind eye to the sensory blitz that exists and thrives without (and despite) my influence.

So again --- if the mother isn't giving the kid this idea... and let's stipulate for the sake of argument that the father is not present........... from where exactly is he going to derive this conclusion, if not the myriad sources I have cited? Where? This is I believe your whole question in your title.

In this particular case, she almost did condone her kid carrying a gun. She certainly doesn't seem to have a problem with it.

When I was a child, we used to watch westerns. The old west and people who lived and died by the gun. Yet never a problem with kids and guns like we have today. We used to watch the Three Stooges. They used to take hammers and hit each other over the heads with them. That doesn't mean we were encouraging kids to be hammer murderers.

Television and movies have minimal (if any) influence on young criminals. Knowing they can get away with something is encouragement.

Kids are influenced by a lot of things--mostly their peers. But it's up to the parents to make sure that their children don't act on those influences. Sitting back and saying "They have to learn their own lessons" is just completely irresponsible. A father in the home willing to kick your ass for even the thought of having a gun is a very strong deterrent.

And war movies, and westerns........but what we didn't have was rap music and thug culture........rap music is one of the worst influences on the youth.....

It is, but hardly responsible for the gun carrying thugs today. Entertainment is just that--entertainment. Anybody who takes action on such entertainment is screwed up in the head in the first place.

You couple thug culture with single teenage girls raising young males without adult male fathers.....

That's the decay of our culture. I remember reading stories in the past of pregnant high school girls having baby showers in the school with the schools blessing. That didn't happen years ago.

 

[2aguy]

Me come off of it? Maybe take your own advice.

People didn't leave the farmlands fifteen years ago. That was many years ago and we've had cities long before I was born, yet never a problem back then.

So what changed? For one, allowing kids to think they have rights over adults, but more importantly is the single-parent households. Single-parent households are directly related to poverty. There is nothing good about them when it comes to children.

There have always been problems.

Parenting is part of the issue here. Parents who don't know how to bring their kids up effectively. Again, the world has changed, it's become more complex and the family unit has often broken down.

My family come from different sides of the country, I had grandparents over there, grandparents over the other way, and I didn't live anywhere near either of them. In the past the grandparents, aunts, other females would have been around to support, to teach, to look after those kids. But that has changed.

Then you have kids being more free because parents are working more. After school I was free for 3 hours, no one was around to tell me what to do.

Parenting goes out of the window if parents aren't around. This is my point.

But there are other issues. How do you teach people to bring up their kids? Because the right is demanding that we don't even touch on the subject. That we leave people alone to struggle to do it on their own, and then slam them later when they do it badly. Kids need support, but then people want to leave them be and then slam them when they turn into criminals.

I'm sorry, but if you set up the conditions for them to fail, and then slam them, and liberals, when they do fail, it's ridiculous. And no, this isn't me saying liberals are completely clear of failing such people. There are issues there too, what I'm talking about is the right creating conditions for the family to fail, for kids to fail, and then complaining that they are failing.

When did the right demand that we don't touch on the subject of parenting? It's the right that has been advocating two-parent families since the left started to promote the opposite. It's the right that's been promoting morality and even religion in schools compared to the left that's obsessed with not hurting anybody's feelings by giving a failed grade.

How did your parents learn about parenting? How did mine? Parenting is natural; you don't need to take a course on it.

Several years back I had a neighbor who bought a portable basketball hoop. Before you know it, every kid from five blocks around was here. It was a nightmare. I even had to call the cops a few times because they would start right after school, and play into the night.

My questions was, WTF are the parent(s) of these kids that they allow them to stay out all night playing basketball instead of being home at dark doing their homework? It wasn't one or two nights a week, it was every day and night that it didn't rain.

Nobody has to teach you to have your kid home at a certain hour to do homework. That's a no brainer.

The problem is single-parent homes. Understandably, some relationships just don't work out and there is nothing a couple can do. But many of these kids are raised from young on with only one parent. And if their kid (like the OP) gets his hands on a gun, is it because we are a gun society or is it that the parent(s) are not doing their job?

My money is on the latter.

Well, it seems to happen a lot on here when I discuss the matter.

Yes, the right promote two parents, they promote morality, they promote religion.

The problem is that they're promoting morals from religion, trying to get everyone to be a part of their religion, and the morals aren't based around what should happen in a modern society, but morals from an older era.

And then they're willing to be extremely contradictory. They'll push anti-abortion rhetoric until the cows come home, but will they be teaching people how to bring up a child? No, they won't. Will they be demanding that people don't work too much in order to be able to bring their kids up? No, they won't. This is the problem with religious morals as opposed to sensible morals.

You think parenting is natural. Well you see, here's the problem. It isn't. There are basics.

When you see kids with a coke in one hand, a cake in the other and chips in their backpack, and this is the food sustaining them through the day, you know that someone isn't on the natural parenting course.

You complain about parenting, then say it's natural. If it were natural, you wouldn't be complaining about it.

Again, a "no-brainer" and yet too many people are acting without too much of a brain.

Do you think all those kids were single parent families? Probably not. Both my parents worked. That doesn't help you deal with kids. You need to think about things, you need education. But apparently it's so natural that so many people don't do it.

How do you prevent single parent families? Again, many on the right will simply say that they can't get involved in educating kids into how relationships should work, this would be "indoctrination" and all that crap. Then they will ***** and moan at single parent families.

It doesn't make sense.

You cannot prevent single parent households, but you can surly be against them.

Where are the road signs promoting two parent families? Where are the television commercials on promoting two parent families like there are for drugs, global warming, and gun restrictions? Where are the radio ads or courses in school about two parent families? There are none. they don't exist.

The right promotes morals of an older era? So WTF is wrong with that? There were many advantages of that older era which include kids not wanting (or thinking they need) guns to survive. They include the value of two parent families.

The OP is about the stance a mother of a troubled teenager. How many other mothers do we have like this one? And when we look at the increasing gun violence in ghettos, are the guns responsible, or are the parent(s)?

Why do you need commercials promoting two parent families? For me that would seem to be a massive waste of money.

Certainly I've seen problems with this kind of promoting where people believe something will happen, and then they don't work at it.

What is needed is education. Where people talk and discuss the issues, try and make sense of the world they live in, try and understand what the issues are in relationships so they can enter into them with knowledge, with a thought process, with a sense of what is right and what is wrong.

The same with parenting. What food should kids eat? How much TV and computer games should they play? How do they want their kids to turn out? What issues are there? Things like this should be taught in education to make people aware. You do this and you'll see lower single parent families, less problems with kids, better educational achievement.

Saying that it's all natural and people should just know it, when they clearly don't, isn't going to get you anywhere.

What is wrong with morals of an older era? Well... they represent a different world. People turn off, these morals aren't about them any more. So what are their morals? Well they don't really know, so there aren't really any morals.

What morals are there in the Bible about the internet? None, because it didn't exist. The world has changed, until you accept that everything else changes with it, you'e going to be fixing the aircon unit as if it were a paper fan. It isn't going to work.

Yes, I know what the OP is about, and it's like asking a question which ignores the actual problem. So I'm talking about the actual ways to solve the actual problem, rather than pretending the problem is really simple and the solution too.

A teenage girl who doesn't know how to be an adult herself, trying to raise children without any guidance from other adults....that is, her mother was also a single teenage mother with no clue.....all trying to raise young males in crime infested neighborhoods.......with the only adult male role models being gang members and a revolving door of violent male boyfriends......

That is the issue...not guns.

 

[2aguy]

I found a local gun story that I wanted to share because the accused is a minor. Kids with guns are not all that unusual (especially here in Cleveland) but what I found most telling is the response of the mother.

In short, this kid was arrested for having BB gun in a public park (very similar to the Tamir Rice situation) a year earlier. The judge went easy on the kid, but now the 16 year old was busted having a real loaded gun. Here are some quotes from the mother:

"He has to learn the right way. I can't stop him." When the I TEAM asked where he got the gun this time, his mother said, "I don't know. Don't know. He was using it for protection. He was walking down the street and people would shoot at him. Nowadays, that's what you need for protection. I don't consider it a good thing."

That mom says she did talk to her son before the Parma BB gun incident and after it. Didn’t matter. She said, “Kids these days need to learn their own lessons. He's learning his lessons."

Teen caught with BB gun at Parma park now busted with gun; mom says she can’t stop him

With the path this kid is on, it's more than likely he'll be dead or in prison for murder the next decade. Then the left will blame the guns.

Another thing that struck me: she said "I don't know, and I can't stop him." Not "We can't stop him" as if there was a father figure around. This woman practically justified her son illegally carrying a likely stolen gun underage. When he gets older and arrested for shooting somebody, I'm sure the mother will once again respond to a news interview by saying "My baby didn't do nutting wrong, he's a good boy." If he gets gunned down in the street, well........then I guess he "learned his own lessons."

There is more to it than a parenting problem. There's a society problem.

In what world do kids think they need weapons to protect themselves? Well, in a society that is failing to protect people, to instill morals into kids and all of that.

The right love to say how it's the parents' fault. The problem is that the right will also push the very same parents to work 80 hours a week so the rich can get richer. They also don't place any responsibility on schools to help deal with all the issues out there. So, the right essentially like to create the environment for this kind of thing, and then ***** and moan that the parents aren't doing anything about it.

According to the LEFT, women who stay home and raise their kids are FREELOADERS.

According to the RIGHT, they're cattle.

Lefty women have actually used the term "freeloader" for stay-home moms. Who says women are cattle?

To social conservatives, women aren't much at all.

That is funny...coming from the left wing who see women as nothing more than their genitals and as sacrifices to the male members of the democrat party........

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh sure, that will stop a criminal from putting a bullet in your head. The kid was less than ten feet away from the cop.

And he was a 12 year old kid with a plastic toy.

So how was the cop supposed to know that?

Here is the toy gun vs the real gun it was crafted from. You tell me that you would be able to tell the difference if somebody was pulling it out in front of you:

View attachment 122860

A cop killed an innocent kid with a toy for no good reason. Quit trying to pretend it is excusable

As far as the officer was concerned, he was no kid, and he was pulling a real gun. Tell me you wouldn't have done the same. Did you ignore the above picture showing the toy and real gun side by side?

I'm not a cop who is trained to deal with those situations, but even I know that was a stupid thing for the cop to do. If he is incapable of dealing with situations like that better than a random internet poster, his training was wasted on him, he shouldn't be a cop.

Well you got your wish because he isn't one now thanks to the media and threats from the public.

Better trained officers would have waited until the bullet was in mid range between them and the suspect before he pulled the trigger.

 

[BULLDOG]

And a cop is supposed to know that when somebody is pulling one out of the front of his pants?

That's one reason we give cops bulletproof vests, so they can ask questions first.

Oh sure, that will stop a criminal from putting a bullet in your head. The kid was less than ten feet away from the cop.

And he was a 12 year old kid with a plastic toy.

you have one second after I point this at you to tell me if it's a real gun or a toy

Why do you think you need to justify the senseless killing of a young boy?

 

[Skull Pilot]

And a cop is supposed to know that when somebody is pulling one out of the front of his pants?

That's one reason we give cops bulletproof vests, so they can ask questions first.

Oh sure, that will stop a criminal from putting a bullet in your head. The kid was less than ten feet away from the cop.

And he was a 12 year old kid with a plastic toy.

you have one second after I point this at you to tell me if it's a real gun or a toy

Why do you think you need to justify the senseless killing of a young boy?

why don't you answer the question I asked

and FYI so called young boys in urban areas have no problem spraying bullets into a crowd. Don't assume just because some gang banger is a kid that he won't shoot you

FYI that is an air gun but you couldn't tell that from 10 feet away with only a second or less to decide could you?