CDZ Gun Control vs. Mental Health Care

[gallantwarrior]

We don't need gun control in the US.

We need better mental health care.

Agree or not?

We need both

We can't lock every person with mental problems in an institution
We can keep them away from guns

How would you keep guns out of their hands? Do you know of some magic that would keep guns out of people's hands? If so, please tell all of us the secret. Thanks.

We have in this country laws (not unlike the immigration laws) that are designed to disallow the monsters access to guns. Apparently, just like the Immigration laws, they don't seem to work.

I suppose, that just like the immigration laws that we refuse to enforce, the left uses the excuse that "gun laws are broken" and we need drastic "action" to stop this.

Notice any correlation here?

We can't stop anything, period. We can't stop illegal drugs, gangs, terrorists, illegal immigrants, guns, prostitution, illegal gambling, moonshine, etc. etc. etc. etc.. We just make laws to pacify the masses when the noise gets loud enough. In other words, grease the wheel that squeaks the loudest, and at the right time. It's all about votes, special interests, favoritism, and in some cases, greed. The government does what it thinks is best in order to keep people from rioting and conducting violence in the streets. They just want to make it appear that they have everyone's best interest at heart. It's all for show.

Observe the bolded portion of your statement. It seems to me that recently, the government, or at least some major representatives of the government, have actually been encouraging riots and violence.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

We don't need gun control in the US.

We need better mental health care.

Agree or not?

I've said the same thing for years. It's difficult to get people to understand that it's not guns, it's the crazy people that use guns. A gun is not going to kill anyone all by itself. A loaded gun can stand in the corner of a room for years and never harm a living soul. It's only when a crazy person picks it up, aims, and shoots someone, that it becomes a deadly weapon. I have guns, and have had guns since I was a very young boy. My guns have never harmed a soul.

And what is Crazier than the product of the Ideological Left?
They reject God, the origins of rights and the responsibilities that sustain those rights.

All of which was demonstrated in the murder of 9 people ho were in their house of God, worshipping and fellowshipping with each other and God.

The origin of "THE PROBLEM", doesn't GET more obvious than THAT!

The problem is obvious. The problem is "PEOPLE", and NOT "GUNS".

And those people are either Leftists or people who were severely Influenced by the deceit and fraud advanced by the Left.

The Problem is Left-think... And the Relativism in which Left think rests.

It's EVIL!

 

[Sonny Clark]

You know how hard it is to get people committed or help? And even if you do, they can talk their way out of a facility, they are only there short term.

The same is true if someone is threatening your life. They have to actually try to take your life before the police can do anything, and then, many times it's too late.

We are so worried about individual rights, people are dying because of it....

I've said the same thing for years. It's difficult to get people to understand that it's not guns, it's the crazy people that use guns

We need nutbag control. Mental health is surely part of that.
Cultural change is a bigger part.

People are NOT dying because of protecting rights, that's pathetic and silly. People are dying because we have crazy people living amongst us. We have people that believe they have nothing to lose by killing others. We have the depressed, the drug users, the lonely, the ones going through family issues, gang members, cults, those that have no hope for the future, and those that carry hatred in their hearts 24/7.

We're NOT mind readers. We never know when someone may go postal and take out a dozen innocent lives. We don't have the technology to know what people are thinking and feeling. We can NOT blame guns for mental disorders, depression, lost hope, excessive drug use, domestic issues that result in murder or violence, gangs, cults, and other anti-social and uncivil behavior and acts. Taking away guns will NOT solve the problem.

True, that's not even realistic. If God Herself came down ten minutes from now and declared "that's it, no more guns can be made, ever", we'd still have more than enough for every man, woman and child, literally. You can't control that.

Throwing legislation at this is just political posturing worded to look like "we're doing something". It's not. The issue is not legislative; it's cultural. What we need is value shift. Away from the mindless worship of death machines.

Speaking of death machines, I'm guessing you would also like to see all motor vehicles banned and never again produced.

Very ridiculous and silly. NO !!! ----- I would NOT want to see vehicles banned, nor would I want to see production of them stopped. What about planes, trains, ships, baseball bats, hammers, knives, rope, poisons, etc. etc. etc.. Do we ban just to be banning? There are many things that kill, many. If we were to ban everything that can kill, we'd have almost nothing left, including people.

 

[Sonny Clark]

We don't need gun control in the US.

We need better mental health care.

Agree or not?

We need both

We can't lock every person with mental problems in an institution
We can keep them away from guns

How would you keep guns out of their hands? Do you know of some magic that would keep guns out of people's hands? If so, please tell all of us the secret. Thanks.

We have in this country laws (not unlike the immigration laws) that are designed to disallow the monsters access to guns. Apparently, just like the Immigration laws, they don't seem to work.

I suppose, that just like the immigration laws that we refuse to enforce, the left uses the excuse that "gun laws are broken" and we need drastic "action" to stop this.

Notice any correlation here?

We can't stop anything, period. We can't stop illegal drugs, gangs, terrorists, illegal immigrants, guns, prostitution, illegal gambling, moonshine, etc. etc. etc. etc.. We just make laws to pacify the masses when the noise gets loud enough. In other words, grease the wheel that squeaks the loudest, and at the right time. It's all about votes, special interests, favoritism, and in some cases, greed. The government does what it thinks is best in order to keep people from rioting and conducting violence in the streets. They just want to make it appear that they have everyone's best interest at heart. It's all for show.

Observe the bolded portion of your statement. It seems to me that recently, the government, or at least some major representatives of the government, have actually been encouraging riots and violence.

That is purely speculation, nothing more. How are we to know whether that is true or not? I agree, that within the past several months, certain events have taken place that might be considered as promoted in some way by authorities, whether government or otherwise.

I meant in my statement that you are referring to, that the government does not want a mass civil uprising, and attempts to squash unrest before it gets totally out of control. I do not believe that the government wants nationwide uprising of a violent nature.

 

[Sonny Clark]

We don't need gun control in the US.

We need better mental health care.

Agree or not?

I've said the same thing for years. It's difficult to get people to understand that it's not guns, it's the crazy people that use guns. A gun is not going to kill anyone all by itself. A loaded gun can stand in the corner of a room for years and never harm a living soul. It's only when a crazy person picks it up, aims, and shoots someone, that it becomes a deadly weapon. I have guns, and have had guns since I was a very young boy. My guns have never harmed a soul.

And what is Crazier than the product of the Ideological Left?
They reject God, the origins of rights and the responsibilities that sustain those rights.

All of which was demonstrated in the murder of 9 people ho were in their house of God, worshipping and fellowshipping with each other and God.

The origin of "THE PROBLEM", doesn't GET more obvious than THAT!

The problem is obvious. The problem is "PEOPLE", and NOT "GUNS".

And those people are either Leftists or people who were severely Influenced by the deceit and fraud advanced by the Left.

The Problem is Left-think... And the Relativism in which Left think rests.

It's EVIL!

Ah, so every crazy out there is either influenced by the "Left", or is a "leftist"? ...... that's really silly and pathetic, to say the least.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

We don't need gun control in the US.

We need better mental health care.

Agree or not?

I've said the same thing for years. It's difficult to get people to understand that it's not guns, it's the crazy people that use guns. A gun is not going to kill anyone all by itself. A loaded gun can stand in the corner of a room for years and never harm a living soul. It's only when a crazy person picks it up, aims, and shoots someone, that it becomes a deadly weapon. I have guns, and have had guns since I was a very young boy. My guns have never harmed a soul.

And what is Crazier than the product of the Ideological Left?
They reject God, the origins of rights and the responsibilities that sustain those rights.

All of which was demonstrated in the murder of 9 people ho were in their house of God, worshipping and fellowshipping with each other and God.

The origin of "THE PROBLEM", doesn't GET more obvious than THAT!

The problem is obvious. The problem is "PEOPLE", and NOT "GUNS".

And those people are either Leftists or people who were severely Influenced by the deceit and fraud advanced by the Left.

The Problem is Left-think... And the Relativism in which Left think rests.

It's EVIL!

Ah, so every crazy out there is either influenced by the "Left", or is a "leftist"? ...... that's really silly and pathetic, to say the least.

LOL!


No scamp.


Left -think is a presentation of delusion.

This simply means that every Leftist is delusional.

But delusion is not the only presentation of mental illness... .

But as straw dogs go, that one was PRECIOUS!

Now reader... Straw reasoning is a presentation of delusion, in that it rejects reality inserting a fraudulence as a substitute.

See how pervasive it is?

 

[Flash]

This gun control issue is a sticky one for. me as it causes many to carry them to protect their families.
the solution would be to face the fact if parents raised their kids properly, there would be no need for kids to take drugs.

Raising him properly like buying him a .44 cal revolver for his birthday

Now son, don't want ta see you shoot'n any negroes

In the case of Roof nobody bought him a firearm. He was given money for his birthday and he is the one that used it for a firearm. His mother took the firearm away from him because she felt he couldn't handle due to his mental state. He stole the gun from his mother and used it for an illegal purpose.

 

[RandallFlagg]

This gun control issue is a sticky one for. me as it causes many to carry them to protect their families.
the solution would be to face the fact if parents raised their kids properly, there would be no need for kids to take drugs.

Raising him properly like buying him a .44 cal revolver for his birthday

Now son, don't want ta see you shoot'n any negroes

The kid was 21 years old.

When I was 17, I was given an M-16... that's a fully automatic rifle and all the Ammo I could shoot.

When I was 18 I was given an M-16 which also had a 40mm grenade launcher and a M1911 .45ACP.

What's more I was exquisitely trained in the effective use of these firearms... instructed and trained to kill a human being with iron sites are 500 yards.

Everyone I knew had the same rifles, the same training and without exception, not one of us has murdered anyone.

But, then again we were also trained in the origins of human rights, the purpose of human rights and the responsibilities that sustain those rights.

And without exception... each and everyone of the idiots that inevitably come to murder innocent people, are those who were raised up and trained on the unprincipled tenets of Left-think... rejecting God, Rejecting Responsibility and demanding rights without regard to any sense of responsibility.

Now, go figure...

Indeed. And, after my training, I was sent to a foreign country (Vietnam) and told to kill, which I did.

After 22 years in the military I estimate (roughly) 1,000 hours on rifle and pistol ranges from the U.S. to Germany to Russia and all points in between.

To this day, I have NEVER pulled the trigger on ANYONE that wasn't sanctioned by the federal government.

 

[RandallFlagg]

This gun control issue is a sticky one for. me as it causes many to carry them to protect their families.
the solution would be to face the fact if parents raised their kids properly, there would be no need for kids to take drugs.

Raising him properly like buying him a .44 cal revolver for his birthday

Now son, don't want ta see you shoot'n any negroes

I'm a "negro" who was given his first gun (a 410 shotgun) at the age of 9. Haven't shot any "whities" yet......

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

This gun control issue is a sticky one for. me as it causes many to carry them to protect their families.
the solution would be to face the fact if parents raised their kids properly, there would be no need for kids to take drugs.

Raising him properly like buying him a .44 cal revolver for his birthday

Now son, don't want ta see you shoot'n any negroes

I'm a "negro" who was given his first gun (a 410 shotgun) at the age of 9. Haven't shot any "whities" yet......

LOL!

Man... I still have the Ithica .410 I received when I was 9. And like you, somehow... While many a quail and dove, one Rabbit and a fair passel of snakes met their fate as a result of the semi-masterful handling of that sweet little breech loaded piece, but not so much as one negro has been so much as threatened by it...

And I should point out that this includes those sittin' in church studyin' the scriptures.

And I was born and raised southern...

So... We can dispense with the Southern strategy drivel.

 

[Auld Phart]

Got my grandfathers 12 gauge when I turned 16, kept it til about 10 years ago when I moved out of state.

Gave it to the oldest grandson carrying the family name.

(He's still not big enough to shoot it.)

 

[Bonzi]

We can't lock every person with mental problems in an institution

It's not just locking them up. It's quality of care, and, this carries over into the large issues of medical care being more about COSTS and PROFIT than actual CARE for the patient.

People with mental illness are "cut loose" before they are ready because of costs and what the health insurance companies WON'T cover.

 

[rightwinger]

This gun control issue is a sticky one for. me as it causes many to carry them to protect their families.
the solution would be to face the fact if parents raised their kids properly, there would be no need for kids to take drugs.

Raising him properly like buying him a .44 cal revolver for his birthday

Now son, don't want ta see you shoot'n any negroes

I'm a "negro" who was given his first gun (a 410 shotgun) at the age of 9. Haven't shot any "whities" yet......

Thank you
We appreciate it

 

[rightwinger]

We don't need gun control in the US.

We need better mental health care.

Agree or not?

We need both

We can't lock every person with mental problems in an institution
We can keep them away from guns

How would you keep guns out of their hands? Do you know of some magic that would keep guns out of people's hands? If so, please tell all of us the secret. Thanks.

Those suffering from depression, bipolar, schizo, on psychiatric medications, wife beaters

No guns for you

 

[Pogo]

We don't need gun control in the US.

We need better mental health care.

Agree or not?

Regardless of whether or not we have better mental health care or not, I just wish the media and the government would stop blaming these tragedies that happen because of the mentally ill on guns!

There are some indications that this last incident might have occurred because Dylann Roof acquired powerful psychotropic drugs on the black market. That was the cause. However, it is a better story for the media, the government, and the political elites to sell the gun story or the race story.

When has anyone blamed tragedies on an inanimate object?

Skip to minute three.



He blames it on the gun, not the drugs. Clearly, it was the drugs, not the gun. If he didn't have a gun, judging from his state of mind, he would have run the object of his hatred down with his car.

Big Pharma responsible for another mass shooting SC church shooter took psych drugs before attack US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

I played it from the beginning so as to have full context. I didn't hear it.

 

[Pogo]

You know how hard it is to get people committed or help? And even if you do, they can talk their way out of a facility, they are only there short term.

The same is true if someone is threatening your life. They have to actually try to take your life before the police can do anything, and then, many times it's too late.

We are so worried about individual rights, people are dying because of it....

I've said the same thing for years. It's difficult to get people to understand that it's not guns, it's the crazy people that use guns

We need nutbag control. Mental health is surely part of that.
Cultural change is a bigger part.

People are NOT dying because of protecting rights, that's pathetic and silly. People are dying because we have crazy people living amongst us. We have people that believe they have nothing to lose by killing others. We have the depressed, the drug users, the lonely, the ones going through family issues, gang members, cults, those that have no hope for the future, and those that carry hatred in their hearts 24/7.

We're NOT mind readers. We never know when someone may go postal and take out a dozen innocent lives. We don't have the technology to know what people are thinking and feeling. We can NOT blame guns for mental disorders, depression, lost hope, excessive drug use, domestic issues that result in murder or violence, gangs, cults, and other anti-social and uncivil behavior and acts. Taking away guns will NOT solve the problem.

True, that's not even realistic. If God Herself came down ten minutes from now and declared "that's it, no more guns can be made, ever", we'd still have more than enough for every man, woman and child, literally. You can't control that.

Throwing legislation at this is just political posturing worded to look like "we're doing something". It's not. The issue is not legislative; it's cultural. What we need is value shift. Away from the mindless worship of death machines.

Speaking of death machines, I'm guessing you would also like to see all motor vehicles banned and never again produced.

Complete non sequitur.

Motor vehicles are transportation machines. Just as blenders are food-making machines or air conditioners are cooling machines. You can be hit by a car, have your arm gnarled in a blender or be hit on the head by an air conditioner falling out a window, but none of those actions would be consistent with what the machine is designed for.

 

[Pogo]

He stole the gun from his mother and used it for an illegal purpose.

This sounds hauntingly familiar.

 

[gallantwarrior]

You know how hard it is to get people committed or help? And even if you do, they can talk their way out of a facility, they are only there short term.

The same is true if someone is threatening your life. They have to actually try to take your life before the police can do anything, and then, many times it's too late.

We are so worried about individual rights, people are dying because of it....

I've said the same thing for years. It's difficult to get people to understand that it's not guns, it's the crazy people that use guns

We need nutbag control. Mental health is surely part of that.
Cultural change is a bigger part.

People are NOT dying because of protecting rights, that's pathetic and silly. People are dying because we have crazy people living amongst us. We have people that believe they have nothing to lose by killing others. We have the depressed, the drug users, the lonely, the ones going through family issues, gang members, cults, those that have no hope for the future, and those that carry hatred in their hearts 24/7.

We're NOT mind readers. We never know when someone may go postal and take out a dozen innocent lives. We don't have the technology to know what people are thinking and feeling. We can NOT blame guns for mental disorders, depression, lost hope, excessive drug use, domestic issues that result in murder or violence, gangs, cults, and other anti-social and uncivil behavior and acts. Taking away guns will NOT solve the problem.

True, that's not even realistic. If God Herself came down ten minutes from now and declared "that's it, no more guns can be made, ever", we'd still have more than enough for every man, woman and child, literally. You can't control that.

Throwing legislation at this is just political posturing worded to look like "we're doing something". It's not. The issue is not legislative; it's cultural. What we need is value shift. Away from the mindless worship of death machines.

Speaking of death machines, I'm guessing you would also like to see all motor vehicles banned and never again produced.

Very ridiculous and silly. NO !!! ----- I would NOT want to see vehicles banned, nor would I want to see production of them stopped. What about planes, trains, ships, baseball bats, hammers, knives, rope, poisons, etc. etc. etc.. Do we ban just to be banning? There are many things that kill, many. If we were to ban everything that can kill, we'd have almost nothing left, including people.

Then why the call to ban firearms?

 

[gallantwarrior]

You know how hard it is to get people committed or help? And even if you do, they can talk their way out of a facility, they are only there short term.

The same is true if someone is threatening your life. They have to actually try to take your life before the police can do anything, and then, many times it's too late.

We are so worried about individual rights, people are dying because of it....

I've said the same thing for years. It's difficult to get people to understand that it's not guns, it's the crazy people that use guns

We need nutbag control. Mental health is surely part of that.
Cultural change is a bigger part.

People are NOT dying because of protecting rights, that's pathetic and silly. People are dying because we have crazy people living amongst us. We have people that believe they have nothing to lose by killing others. We have the depressed, the drug users, the lonely, the ones going through family issues, gang members, cults, those that have no hope for the future, and those that carry hatred in their hearts 24/7.

We're NOT mind readers. We never know when someone may go postal and take out a dozen innocent lives. We don't have the technology to know what people are thinking and feeling. We can NOT blame guns for mental disorders, depression, lost hope, excessive drug use, domestic issues that result in murder or violence, gangs, cults, and other anti-social and uncivil behavior and acts. Taking away guns will NOT solve the problem.

True, that's not even realistic. If God Herself came down ten minutes from now and declared "that's it, no more guns can be made, ever", we'd still have more than enough for every man, woman and child, literally. You can't control that.

Throwing legislation at this is just political posturing worded to look like "we're doing something". It's not. The issue is not legislative; it's cultural. What we need is value shift. Away from the mindless worship of death machines.

Speaking of death machines, I'm guessing you would also like to see all motor vehicles banned and never again produced.

Very ridiculous and silly. NO !!! ----- I would NOT want to see vehicles banned, nor would I want to see production of them stopped. What about planes, trains, ships, baseball bats, hammers, knives, rope, poisons, etc. etc. etc.. Do we ban just to be banning? There are many things that kill, many. If we were to ban everything that can kill, we'd have almost nothing left, including people.

My response was directed at the gun-banners, not you. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

 

[Sonny Clark]

You know how hard it is to get people committed or help? And even if you do, they can talk their way out of a facility, they are only there short term.

The same is true if someone is threatening your life. They have to actually try to take your life before the police can do anything, and then, many times it's too late.

We are so worried about individual rights, people are dying because of it....

People are NOT dying because of protecting rights, that's pathetic and silly. People are dying because we have crazy people living amongst us. We have people that believe they have nothing to lose by killing others. We have the depressed, the drug users, the lonely, the ones going through family issues, gang members, cults, those that have no hope for the future, and those that carry hatred in their hearts 24/7.

We're NOT mind readers. We never know when someone may go postal and take out a dozen innocent lives. We don't have the technology to know what people are thinking and feeling. We can NOT blame guns for mental disorders, depression, lost hope, excessive drug use, domestic issues that result in murder or violence, gangs, cults, and other anti-social and uncivil behavior and acts. Taking away guns will NOT solve the problem.

True, that's not even realistic. If God Herself came down ten minutes from now and declared "that's it, no more guns can be made, ever", we'd still have more than enough for every man, woman and child, literally. You can't control that.

Throwing legislation at this is just political posturing worded to look like "we're doing something". It's not. The issue is not legislative; it's cultural. What we need is value shift. Away from the mindless worship of death machines.

Speaking of death machines, I'm guessing you would also like to see all motor vehicles banned and never again produced.

Very ridiculous and silly. NO !!! ----- I would NOT want to see vehicles banned, nor would I want to see production of them stopped. What about planes, trains, ships, baseball bats, hammers, knives, rope, poisons, etc. etc. etc.. Do we ban just to be banning? There are many things that kill, many. If we were to ban everything that can kill, we'd have almost nothing left, including people.

Then why the call to ban firearms?

I'm NOT calling for a ban on firearms. I would never ban firearms. I like my guns. I see no reason to ban firearms.