Good post M but let me rebut again.
I do think the majority of people are good people but almost all great events have been controlled by a very small group of people. Are you not aware of the tale of the irs? Lois Lerner was a democratic operative at a high level in the irs. She had reinforcement from the top to violate the law in order to give the Democratic Party the edge. She broke many laws, then she covered her tracks, then she lied and then she took the fifth. The democrats in govt liked what she did so they covered for her and the attorney general will not prosecute any lawbreakers if they are doing the democrats work. Tapes have been erased, records destroyed, govt officials stonewalling, and the press ignoring the whole issue. The whole crime is going to be swept under the rug. Don't you see a precedent here. Where are your good people standing up for truth and justice? Who is being punished or even who is accountable? I say this respectfully, but you are naive if you think justice will be done in the absence of the law being enforced.
Of course I'm aware of the IRS story....I am also aware of the many investigations that Republicans have done on the Benghazi tragedy without yielding any results that they can use to demean the president or Hillary Clinton, but instead have wasted millions of tax-payer's money chasing a scandal that doesn't exist. The Republican leaders in their quest to make Benghazi as tragic as 9/11 have discounted what even the Military leaders have reported in spite of their claim that they support and believe in the Military. And even just recently, a committee made up of mostly Republicans have finally admitted that there is nothing there, that the WH did not try to cover up anything. But, I believe yet another Republican committee is willing to spend more money and go another round. Go figure.
So, we can choose to believe that which we want to believe, or we can research and try to find the truth. Neither party is immune from trying go gain ground, but the fact that they are almost always found out says a lot about our system of government, in the end, they are forced to be accountable when they step out of line or if it appears they may be stepping out of line.
Lerner has not been charged with lying, and didn't break any laws. There were Democratic organizations that were also left hanging, waiting for tax exempt status and none of the Republican organizations were denied in the end.
I believe that no organization whether Republican or Democratic should be given tax exempt status if they are not adhering to the rules set up for such, and are being set up strictly as political organizations. Some of the Tea Party organizations in question were said to be strictly political in nature. Why should we be paying for them?
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The notion that we're targeting anyone, I think, is off because, you know, these people are going through an application process that they voluntarily decide to do that isn't required under the law,” Shulman said at the Wednesday hearing.
Sen. Orrin Hatch (Utah), the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee and one of the lawmakers who signed that letter, told The Hill this week that he had full faith that the IRS was so far acting responsibly.
IRS takes heat from both GOP Dems over Tea Party groups tax-exempt status TheHill
The IRS' inspector general said in a report last year that tax-exempt applications from tea party and other conservative groups were set aside for special scrutiny simply because they included words such as "tea party" and "patriots." Several hundred applications, from both conservative and liberal groups, languished for years without a ruling by the IRS, the report said.
Blog House to pursue criminal charges against Lois Lerner
I don't know where voter Id came into the conversation but the tens of thousands of voters double registered in different states qualifies as serious voter fraud to me.
That voters may be double registered does not indicate voter fraud. Unless it can be proven that they voted more than once, there is no voter fraud. There is bound to be some mistakes made at election, after all, most of the people working the elections are just common people, trying to do their best. The investigations that have been directed toward finding voter fraud have yielded very few cases, and some of them have been conservatives that have been caught. For all we know, the double registration could be credited to clerical error.
Nearly all double voter registrations uncovered by a Kansas program that compares registration records of more than two dozen states are the unintentional result of people moving from one state to another and re-registering to vote, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach said.
Kris Kobach s Kansas voter program checks nationwide for possible double voting CJOnline.com
The recent report by Election Integrity Maryland that there may be as many as 164 individuals who voted in both Maryland and Virginia in the 2012 election hasn't exactly caused the Maryland Board of Elections to press the panic button. There's a reason for that: The numbers don't prove fraud and more likely point to clerical error.
Widespread voter fraud in Maryland is unlikely - Baltimore Sun
Ok ray rice in the elevator. He now claims that the tape has been edited to cut out the complete episode, I don't know if it has or not, but the tape of Zimmerman calling 911 was edited to create the effect of a racist. All information from cameras and other things can be manipulated, so you are wrong to consider all these surveillance mechanisms a panacea of truth.
I don't know what Zimmerman has to do with this conversation, but that was a Television station that did that and they were found out, and have since apologized as they should have.
I don't know what could have been cut out of Rice's video that would make his actions more acceptable. If he believes that the tape has been altered, I'm sure there are experts that can figure that out, but so far I've not heard of it.
I can't add anything to the gun debate that hasn't been said and if most are like me they are bored by it.
"So why should we want to declare that the us should become everything Christian?" I never said that or even advocated that. I am sorry that I do not seem to be able to get the point across. I want our country to maintain and celebrate our identity, our history, our traditions, and our principles. By doing that we insure that there continues to be freedom of religion. Paying taxes has no relationship to our fundamental rights. No I wouldn't want to let a Muslim grab the loudspeaker and have a prayer to Allah in central Texas before a football game and I suspect a large majority of Americans would agree with me, but that does not mean their religion in my eyes is any less than Christianity and I would go to the mat to help ensure that Muslims had a chance to practice their religion peacefully, but that is not this country's identity. You want us to change and adjust to all these cultures and religions and I want these cultures and religions to change and adjust to America.
You are advocating that Christianity be considered the religion of the United States, but it isn't. Our country is made up of many people, all having different history, traditions and principles. Why should the traditions, principles and history of those whose roots come from England have superiority over those whose roots come from Mexico, Canada, China, Japan, or wherever? There is freedom of religion. In some countries Christians are persecuted. In America, everyone has the freedom to practice whatever religion they want, even some that don't have a religion are free to not have one.
Of course taxes has everything to do with our fundamental rights. By paying taxes you are supporting the infrastructure, government, defense, law enforcement, fire protection and environmental protection of this country, and are entitled to every civil right this country offers. I don't have to participate in a Muslin ritual so why should they have to participate in a Christian ritual? I don't want us to change....our Constitution dictates the way we are supposed to be, you are the one that is advocating that everyone acquiesce to Christian rituals, and our Constitution clearly states the government has no business promoting any religion.
LOL, the reference to the check came from a post you made in response to me asking about how I got trophy points. You said I could thank you for that and find some way to repay you. I posted that the check was in the mail
Good debate. Thank you.
Oh, I had completely forgotten about that....that must have been a while back.....and no, you're supposed to send the check to USMB....I remember saying that....Lol!
I enjoyed debating with you and the fact that we could remain civil in spite of our differences!
