Green Energy increases CO2 in atmosphere

[mdn2000]

Sadly its true, the solution to Global Warming is destroying the earth, from polluting the rivers to increasing CO2 in the atmosphere.

there is no such thing as Green Energy, its a marketing gimmick, nothing more.

Converting plants to ethanol releases massive amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Universal Industrial Gases, Inc...CO2 Carbon Dioxide Properties, Uses, Applications  -  Recovery from Industrial Sources - Concentration in Air

The most common operations from which commercially-produced carbon dioxide is recovered are industrial plants which produce hydrogen or ammonia from natural gas, coal, or other hydrocarbon feedstock, and large-volume fermentation operations in which plant products are made into ethanol for human consumption, automotive fuel or industrial use. Breweries producing beer from various grain products are a traditional source. Corn-to-ethanol plants have been the most rapidly growing source of feed gas for CO2 recovery

 

[Mr. H.]

In the early days of ethanol blended fuels research, it was discovered that such blends resulted in tailpipe emissions which exceeded EPA standards.

Solution: EPA standards were re-written to accommodate the use of ethanol blended gasolines.

And people bitch about "Big Oil".

 

[mdn2000]

How about the foundations for the world's largest wind farm, Roscoe, Texas. Its pretty hard to find any detailed information about the place. Still, over 600 wind turbines, 500-1000 tons of concrete per foundation, 6 million tons of concrete, that is at least 6 million tons of CO2 released into the atmosphere during the manufacture of the concrete. A conservative estimate.

Next we can talk about the 100's of tons of steel.

Environmental Building News - Cement and Concrete: Environmental Considerations

CO2 Emissions

There are two very different sources of carbon dioxide emissions during cement production. Combustion of fossil fuels to operate the rotary kiln is the largest source: approximately 3/4 tons of CO2 per ton of cement. But the chemical process of calcining limestone into lime in the cement kiln also produces CO2: CaCO3 ' CaO + CO2limestone ' lime + carbon dioxide This chemical process is responsible for roughly 1/2 ton of COCO2 per ton of cement, according to researchers at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Combining these two sources, for every ton of cement produced, 1.25 tons of CO2 is released into the atmosphere (Table 4). In the United States, cement production accounts for approximately 100 million tons of CO2 emissions, or just under 2% of our total human-generated CO2. Worldwide, cement production now accounts for more than 1.6 billion tons of CO2--over 8% of total CO2 emissions from all human activities

 

[konradv]

Green energy? That would be fusion. Read about it here and tell your representitives we need more investment to make it a reality as soon as possible:

ITER - the way to new energy OR

Department of Energy - Fusion

 

[Old Rocks]

Poor mdn, he likes pissing into a strong headwind. Wind power in the US is growing by the tens of gigawatts every year, and solar by single digit gigawatts every year.

 

[konradv]

How about the foundations for the world's largest wind farm, Roscoe, Texas. Its pretty hard to find any detailed information about the place. Still, over 600 wind turbines, 500-1000 tons of concrete per foundation, 6 million tons of concrete, that is at least 6 million tons of CO2 released into the atmosphere during the manufacture of the concrete. A conservative estimate.

Next we can talk about the 100's of tons of steel.

Environmental Building News - Cement and Concrete: Environmental Considerations

CO2 Emissions

There are two very different sources of carbon dioxide emissions during cement production. Combustion of fossil fuels to operate the rotary kiln is the largest source: approximately 3/4 tons of CO2 per ton of cement. But the chemical process of calcining limestone into lime in the cement kiln also produces CO2: CaCO3 ' CaO + CO2limestone ' lime + carbon dioxide This chemical process is responsible for roughly 1/2 ton of COCO2 per ton of cement, according to researchers at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Combining these two sources, for every ton of cement produced, 1.25 tons of CO2 is released into the atmosphere (Table 4). In the United States, cement production accounts for approximately 100 million tons of CO2 emissions, or just under 2% of our total human-generated CO2. Worldwide, cement production now accounts for more than 1.6 billion tons of CO2--over 8% of total CO2 emissions from all human activities

That's only half the equation. What about the CO2 saved by running the turbines? That should be easily recovered in the first years of operation.

 

[mdn2000]

How about the foundations for the world's largest wind farm, Roscoe, Texas. Its pretty hard to find any detailed information about the place. Still, over 600 wind turbines, 500-1000 tons of concrete per foundation, 6 million tons of concrete, that is at least 6 million tons of CO2 released into the atmosphere during the manufacture of the concrete. A conservative estimate.

Next we can talk about the 100's of tons of steel.

Environmental Building News - Cement and Concrete: Environmental Considerations

CO2 Emissions

There are two very different sources of carbon dioxide emissions during cement production. Combustion of fossil fuels to operate the rotary kiln is the largest source: approximately 3/4 tons of CO2 per ton of cement. But the chemical process of calcining limestone into lime in the cement kiln also produces CO2: CaCO3 ' CaO + CO2limestone ' lime + carbon dioxide This chemical process is responsible for roughly 1/2 ton of COCO2 per ton of cement, according to researchers at Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Combining these two sources, for every ton of cement produced, 1.25 tons of CO2 is released into the atmosphere (Table 4). In the United States, cement production accounts for approximately 100 million tons of CO2 emissions, or just under 2% of our total human-generated CO2. Worldwide, cement production now accounts for more than 1.6 billion tons of CO2--over 8% of total CO2 emissions from all human activities

That's only half the equation. What about the CO2 saved by running the turbines? That should be easily recovered in the first years of operation.

How much more CO2 is saved driving the same turbines with steam from a nuclear or fossil fuel plant.

A nuclear plant drive its turbine at around 1800 rpm.

A wind turbine is 5-20 rpm.

A nuclear power plant can and does operate the entire year without stopping.

A wind turbine is impossible to predict how much it will operate, lets be generous and state 50% of the year it operates. So what is the ratio of power produced to C02 produced.

Nuclear power easily smokes Wind energy.

Wind turbines are the least efficient solution.

You must compare the CO2 with other forms of energy. You want to save the climate by reducing CO2 yet Wind turbines create more C02 than fossil or nuclear. Your putting more CO2 into the climate and expect us to accept this.

 

[Old Rocks]

Why yes, wind is so inefficient that in 1999, there was 2 1/2 gw online of wind energy. In 2009, 34 gw.

You can see the growth, state by state, right here.

File:United States installed wind power capacity animation 561px.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is the equivelent of 34 Nukes. At a cost, per kw, considerably below the cost of nukes. I am not against nukes, but the price is just too high per kw for them to be practical.

 

[mdn2000]

Why yes, wind is so inefficient that in 1999, there was 2 1/2 gw online of wind energy. In 2009, 34 gw.

You can see the growth, state by state, right here.

File:United States installed wind power capacity animation 561px.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is the equivelent of 34 Nukes. At a cost, per kw, considerably below the cost of nukes. I am not against nukes, but the price is just too high per kw for them to be practical.

Bullshit, link to actual output data in kwh per wind farm by name.

Linking to Wikipedia with no technical references is pure propaganda.

Wikipedia, come on Old Crock, thats the best you can do, how weak

 

[mdn2000]

Why yes, wind is so inefficient that in 1999, there was 2 1/2 gw online of wind energy. In 2009, 34 gw.

You can see the growth, state by state, right here.

File:United States installed wind power capacity animation 561px.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is the equivelent of 34 Nukes. At a cost, per kw, considerably below the cost of nukes. I am not against nukes, but the price is just too high per kw for them to be practical.

Installed wind power capacity, how about actual power output. Post the actual data of the output of each state, go ahead Old Crock. Show us how smart Old Crock is.

thanks for the joke Old Crcock.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, here are a couple, out of many presently operating. One is still in the building phase, but you can see the trucks rolling with the parts daily.

450-MW Wind Farm Online in Oregon | Renewable Energy News Article

Oregon, United States -- Wind farms in Oregon are rapidly growing in size. Portland General Electric Company (PGE) just finished the final phase of a 450-MW wind farm in northern Oregon.

The $1 billion project located on 25,000 acres was built in three phases. Phase 1, completed in December 2007, is comprised of 76 Vestas wind turbines and has an installed capacity of 125 MW. Phase 2, comprised of 65 Siemens wind turbines with an installed capacity of approximately 150 MW, was completed and placed in-service in August 2009. The final phase of the project, completed in August 2010, added an additional 76 Siemens wind turbines and installed capacity of 175 MW to the project.

In order to meet Oregon's renewable energy target of 25% by 2025, PGE's current Integrated Resource Plan calls for renewable resources to make up approximately 9 percent of the company's total retail load by the end of 2010. That plan includes the completion of Biglow Canyon and other existing wind power purchase agreements.

The biggest wind farm planned for Oregon (actually the whole U.S.) is the 845-MW Shepard's Flat project. Construction is expected to be completed in 2012.

 

[mdn2000]

Well, here are a couple, out of many presently operating. One is still in the building phase, but you can see the trucks rolling with the parts daily.

450-MW Wind Farm Online in Oregon | Renewable Energy News Article

Oregon, United States -- Wind farms in Oregon are rapidly growing in size. Portland General Electric Company (PGE) just finished the final phase of a 450-MW wind farm in northern Oregon.

The $1 billion project located on 25,000 acres was built in three phases. Phase 1, completed in December 2007, is comprised of 76 Vestas wind turbines and has an installed capacity of 125 MW. Phase 2, comprised of 65 Siemens wind turbines with an installed capacity of approximately 150 MW, was completed and placed in-service in August 2009. The final phase of the project, completed in August 2010, added an additional 76 Siemens wind turbines and installed capacity of 175 MW to the project.

In order to meet Oregon's renewable energy target of 25% by 2025, PGE's current Integrated Resource Plan calls for renewable resources to make up approximately 9 percent of the company's total retail load by the end of 2010. That plan includes the completion of Biglow Canyon and other existing wind power purchase agreements.

The biggest wind farm planned for Oregon (actually the whole U.S.) is the 845-MW Shepard's Flat project. Construction is expected to be completed in 2012.

Again that is estimated installed capacity. Post the data of actual energy output in kwh.

It is irrelevant, installed capacity is never close to being equal to the actual energy output.

 

[Old Rocks]

70,760 gwh of electiricity produced by wind in the us in 2009.

Percentage of power provided to each state by wind, 2009.

Iowa 14.19%
Minnesota 9.42%
North Dakota 8.08
Oregon 6.04
Kansas 5.17%
Texas 4.18

Wind power in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Revere]

Enough to power a small pond, or, in this case, some of the most unindustrialized states.

Those percentages drop to zero pretty fast after that, or rocks would mention them.

 

[Old Rocks]

10 years ago, they were almost all near zero. Would that I had an investment that grew at that rate. Now solar grew at 37% from 2008 to 2009. And wind has been growing at nearly an equal rate. Unless someone successfully harnesses fusion power, Solar, Wind, and Geothermal will grow at similiar rates for the coming decade, at least.

 

[Revere]

Nobody is "investing" in it. They are merely scooping up government subsidies.

No subsidies, no fake alternative energy.

 

[mdn2000]

70,760 gwh of electiricity produced by wind in the us in 2009.

Percentage of power provided to each state by wind, 2009.

Iowa 14.19%
Minnesota 9.42%
North Dakota 8.08
Oregon 6.04
Kansas 5.17%
Texas 4.18

Wind power in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia is not a source.

 

[mdn2000]

10 years ago, they were almost all near zero. Would that I had an investment that grew at that rate. Now solar grew at 37% from 2008 to 2009. And wind has been growing at nearly an equal rate. Unless someone successfully harnesses fusion power, Solar, Wind, and Geothermal will grow at similiar rates for the coming decade, at least.

Pouring buckets of tax money, my money, is not growth. We have to give thousands of acres or land to Chevron for Chevron to build the worlds largest solar farm, on top of that we have to give Chevron money so they are guaranteed a profit.

I thought Solar is suppose to displace big oil, not make us use more.

 

[mdn2000]

70,760 gwh of electiricity produced by wind in the us in 2009.

Percentage of power provided to each state by wind, 2009.

Iowa 14.19%
Minnesota 9.42%
North Dakota 8.08
Oregon 6.04
Kansas 5.17%
Texas 4.18

Wind power in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the third time, you keep posting installed capacity, what they want us to believe is installed capacity. Now tell us the actual energy produced.

The figures are impossible to find.

Go ahead, post the output of just one wind farm, not the average, give us the Data, its hidden, nobody gets to see the real output.

Installed Capacity is the marketing, the propaganda, nothing more.

Old Crock, that is three times you failed to understand the difference between "energy created", and "installed capacity".

Installed capacity, a phrase made up for marketing purposes just as Green Energy is a marketing gimmick.

 

[Big Fitz]

Sadly its true, the solution to Global Warming is destroying the earth, from polluting the rivers to increasing CO2 in the atmosphere.

there is no such thing as Green Energy, its a marketing gimmick, nothing more.

Converting plants to ethanol releases massive amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Universal Industrial Gases, Inc...CO2 Carbon Dioxide Properties, Uses, Applications* -* Recovery from Industrial Sources - Concentration in Air

The most common operations from which commercially-produced carbon dioxide is recovered are industrial plants which produce hydrogen or ammonia from natural gas, coal, or other hydrocarbon feedstock, and large-volume fermentation operations in which plant products are made into ethanol for human consumption, automotive fuel or industrial use. Breweries producing beer from various grain products are a traditional source. Corn-to-ethanol plants have been the most rapidly growing source of feed gas for CO2 recovery

Everything told to us about alternative energy's greatness is a crock of shit. It will never live up to the hype.