Greece tells banking cartel STICK IT

[IsaacNewton]

Greece voted down the knife that international banks had to their throat.

The Greeks are looking at tough times no matter how they voted, so the birthplace of Democracy kicked the fascist international banks in the face and they've said in one loud voice you aren't going to turn us into slaves.
Now those very banks will be FORCED to negotiate a more equitable settlement and payment package because they have no choice

For Europe to even put the oldest democracy in such jeopardy, while insane entities like Isis watch, is beyond unforgivable. You can't squeeze blood from an orange. No matter what, the various financial institutions HAVE to work out a deal with the Greeks.

I applaud the Greeks for standing their ground. They will climb out of this financial disaster, like America has had to climb out of the Bush/Republican financial disaster handed to it in 2008, and come out whole.

What they did today was give notice that you 'don't f#$k with democracy'.

Boy, I'll bet you feel pretty stupid now, eh?

LOL Not at all.

Really? Greece is now screwed over far worse than they were before. All the referendum did, was destroy trust between Greece and the lenders, which is why the bailout package they agreed to NOW, after the vote, is worse than the bailout package they rejected before the referendum.

The only way someone who posted a thread like this, could not feel stupid, is if they were in fact so stupid, they didn't realize how badly this went for Socialist Syriza, and the Greek public.

All old news.

You don't threaten a democracy and expect the vote to be a nation of people on their knees begging for help.

International banks have been on a predatory lending binge for the last 14 years, since Shrub took office. They caused the worldwide recession in 2008 that is still going on. This is what the Greek people did, they said fuck off to the very few who have wealth and are manipulating whoever they can manipulate.

STICK IT!!

 

[Synthaholic]

this idea government can just 'raise revenue' at will, is a joke.

They can't raise taxes?
They can't impose import/export fees?
They can't lease/sell assets?
Are you an idiot?

 

[Andylusion]

Greece voted down the knife that international banks had to their throat.

The Greeks are looking at tough times no matter how they voted, so the birthplace of Democracy kicked the fascist international banks in the face and they've said in one loud voice you aren't going to turn us into slaves.
Now those very banks will be FORCED to negotiate a more equitable settlement and payment package because they have no choice

For Europe to even put the oldest democracy in such jeopardy, while insane entities like Isis watch, is beyond unforgivable. You can't squeeze blood from an orange. No matter what, the various financial institutions HAVE to work out a deal with the Greeks.

I applaud the Greeks for standing their ground. They will climb out of this financial disaster, like America has had to climb out of the Bush/Republican financial disaster handed to it in 2008, and come out whole.

What they did today was give notice that you 'don't f#$k with democracy'.

Boy, I'll bet you feel pretty stupid now, eh?

LOL Not at all.

Really? Greece is now screwed over far worse than they were before. All the referendum did, was destroy trust between Greece and the lenders, which is why the bailout package they agreed to NOW, after the vote, is worse than the bailout package they rejected before the referendum.

The only way someone who posted a thread like this, could not feel stupid, is if they were in fact so stupid, they didn't realize how badly this went for Socialist Syriza, and the Greek public.

All old news.

You don't threaten a democracy and expect the vote to be a nation of people on their knees begging for help.

International banks have been on a predatory lending binge for the last 14 years, since Shrub took office. They caused the worldwide recession in 2008 that is still going on. This is what the Greek people did, they said fuck off to the very few who have wealth and are manipulating whoever they can manipulate.

STICK IT!!

We've already covered this. The vast majority of the debt Greece owes, isn't to "international banks / predatory lending binge". The vast majority of the money they owe now, is to other tax payers. Most of the rest, is to their own banks, which is funded by their own people.

It's not the 'international bank' boogie man you claim.

Moreover, no one threatened a democracy. They threatened themselves. They borrowed too much money, to pay for their socialist programs, and they went broke. The only people that caused them to be threatened, was themselves.

Lastly, they didn't stick it to the wealthy. They stuck it to themselves. They had a bailout agreement, that was working. They voted for a left-wing socialist party, who screwed the deal up. Their economy which had just returned to growth is now shrinking again, and they have a new bailout deal that is worse than the one they had before.

There is no rational perspective in which this worked out in their favor. By any angle you look at it, Greece is worse off.

Greece s economy could shrink by another 4 this year - Jul. 17 2015

In 2013, the rate was -3.3%. This year, they are on track to shrink by 4%. They have made the damage worse.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Greece voted down the knife that international banks had to their throat.

The Greeks are looking at tough times no matter how they voted, so the birthplace of Democracy kicked the fascist international banks in the face and they've said in one loud voice you aren't going to turn us into slaves.
Now those very banks will be FORCED to negotiate a more equitable settlement and payment package because they have no choice

For Europe to even put the oldest democracy in such jeopardy, while insane entities like Isis watch, is beyond unforgivable. You can't squeeze blood from an orange. No matter what, the various financial institutions HAVE to work out a deal with the Greeks.

I applaud the Greeks for standing their ground. They will climb out of this financial disaster, like America has had to climb out of the Bush/Republican financial disaster handed to it in 2008, and come out whole.

What they did today was give notice that you 'don't f#$k with democracy'.

Boy, I'll bet you feel pretty stupid now, eh?

LOL Not at all.

Really? Greece is now screwed over far worse than they were before. All the referendum did, was destroy trust between Greece and the lenders, which is why the bailout package they agreed to NOW, after the vote, is worse than the bailout package they rejected before the referendum.

The only way someone who posted a thread like this, could not feel stupid, is if they were in fact so stupid, they didn't realize how badly this went for Socialist Syriza, and the Greek public.

All old news.

You don't threaten a democracy and expect the vote to be a nation of people on their knees begging for help.

International banks have been on a predatory lending binge for the last 14 years, since Shrub took office. They caused the worldwide recession in 2008 that is still going on. This is what the Greek people did, they said fuck off to the very few who have wealth and are manipulating whoever they can manipulate.

STICK IT!!

We've already covered this. The vast majority of the debt Greece owes, isn't to "international banks / predatory lending binge". The vast majority of the money they owe now, is to other tax payers. Most of the rest, is to their own banks, which is funded by their own people.

It's not the 'international bank' boogie man you claim.

Moreover, no one threatened a democracy. They threatened themselves. They borrowed too much money, to pay for their socialist programs, and they went broke. The only people that caused them to be threatened, was themselves.

Lastly, they didn't stick it to the wealthy. They stuck it to themselves. They had a bailout agreement, that was working. They voted for a left-wing socialist party, who screwed the deal up. Their economy which had just returned to growth is now shrinking again, and they have a new bailout deal that is worse than the one they had before.

There is no rational perspective in which this worked out in their favor. By any angle you look at it, Greece is worse off.

Greece s economy could shrink by another 4 this year - Jul. 17 2015

In 2013, the rate was -3.3%. This year, they are on track to shrink by 4%. They have made the damage worse.

The banks were the original loan agents.

 

[theHawk]

Greece voted down the knife that international banks had to their throat.

The Greeks are looking at tough times no matter how they voted, so the birthplace of Democracy kicked the fascist international banks in the face and they've said in one loud voice you aren't going to turn us into slaves.
Now those very banks will be FORCED to negotiate a more equitable settlement and payment package because they have no choice

For Europe to even put the oldest democracy in such jeopardy, while insane entities like Isis watch, is beyond unforgivable. You can't squeeze blood from an orange. No matter what, the various financial institutions HAVE to work out a deal with the Greeks.

I applaud the Greeks for standing their ground. They will climb out of this financial disaster, like America has had to climb out of the Bush/Republican financial disaster handed to it in 2008, and come out whole.

What they did today was give notice that you 'don't f#$k with democracy'.

Boy, I'll bet you feel pretty stupid now, eh?

LOL Not at all.

Really? Greece is now screwed over far worse than they were before. All the referendum did, was destroy trust between Greece and the lenders, which is why the bailout package they agreed to NOW, after the vote, is worse than the bailout package they rejected before the referendum.

The only way someone who posted a thread like this, could not feel stupid, is if they were in fact so stupid, they didn't realize how badly this went for Socialist Syriza, and the Greek public.

All old news.

You don't threaten a democracy and expect the vote to be a nation of people on their knees begging for help.

International banks have been on a predatory lending binge for the last 14 years, since Shrub took office. They caused the worldwide recession in 2008 that is still going on. This is what the Greek people did, they said fuck off to the very few who have wealth and are manipulating whoever they can manipulate.

STICK IT!!

It doesn't matter if an angry mob got together and said "fuck off". They were lied to by their leftist politicians, not the banks. Fortunately the world doesn't have to bow down to the wishes of one angry mob, no matter how much you would like that.

 

[Zander]

Yeah!! Greece told em to "stick it!!" !! ..... and came away with a worse deal.....now they're truly fucked. They can never pay back the debt, so why bother? Get the pain over. Face the music. It's over.

They'd of been better off sticking to their guns and walking away from the EU. But that would require balls, something very few in the political class possess.

 

[Meathead]

Socialism once again prostates itself at the feet of capitalism. This David had no sling to confront Goliath.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Greece voted down the knife that international banks had to their throat.

The Greeks are looking at tough times no matter how they voted, so the birthplace of Democracy kicked the fascist international banks in the face and they've said in one loud voice you aren't going to turn us into slaves.
Now those very banks will be FORCED to negotiate a more equitable settlement and payment package because they have no choice

For Europe to even put the oldest democracy in such jeopardy, while insane entities like Isis watch, is beyond unforgivable. You can't squeeze blood from an orange. No matter what, the various financial institutions HAVE to work out a deal with the Greeks.

I applaud the Greeks for standing their ground. They will climb out of this financial disaster, like America has had to climb out of the Bush/Republican financial disaster handed to it in 2008, and come out whole.

What they did today was give notice that you 'don't f#$k with democracy'.

Boy, I'll bet you feel pretty stupid now, eh?

LOL Not at all.

Really? Greece is now screwed over far worse than they were before. All the referendum did, was destroy trust between Greece and the lenders, which is why the bailout package they agreed to NOW, after the vote, is worse than the bailout package they rejected before the referendum.

The only way someone who posted a thread like this, could not feel stupid, is if they were in fact so stupid, they didn't realize how badly this went for Socialist Syriza, and the Greek public.

All old news.

You don't threaten a democracy and expect the vote to be a nation of people on their knees begging for help.

International banks have been on a predatory lending binge for the last 14 years, since Shrub took office. They caused the worldwide recession in 2008 that is still going on. This is what the Greek people did, they said fuck off to the very few who have wealth and are manipulating whoever they can manipulate.

STICK IT!!

It doesn't matter if an angry mob got together and said "fuck off". They were lied to by their leftist politicians, not the banks. Fortunately the world doesn't have to bow down to the wishes of one angry mob, no matter how much you would like that.

Nah, that's just the never ending con meme that Dimbaugh and Faux News puts out. You know, the people that brought you, along with Bush the the Repbulicans, the 2008 Great Recession.

Yeah, those are the idiots someone would want to consult on economics. hahahahhaa

 

[dcraelin]

Boy, I'll bet you feel pretty stupid now, eh?

LOL Not at all.

Really? Greece is now screwed over far worse than they were before. All the referendum did, was destroy trust between Greece and the lenders, which is why the bailout package they agreed to NOW, after the vote, is worse than the bailout package they rejected before the referendum.

The only way someone who posted a thread like this, could not feel stupid, is if they were in fact so stupid, they didn't realize how badly this went for Socialist Syriza, and the Greek public.

All old news.

You don't threaten a democracy and expect the vote to be a nation of people on their knees begging for help.

International banks have been on a predatory lending binge for the last 14 years, since Shrub took office. They caused the worldwide recession in 2008 that is still going on. This is what the Greek people did, they said fuck off to the very few who have wealth and are manipulating whoever they can manipulate.

STICK IT!!

It doesn't matter if an angry mob got together and said "fuck off". They were lied to by their leftist politicians, not the banks. Fortunately the world doesn't have to bow down to the wishes of one angry mob, no matter how much you would like that.

Nah, that's just the never ending con meme that Dimbaugh and Faux News puts out. You know, the people that brought you, along with Bush the the Repbulicans, the 2008 Great Recession.

Yeah, those are the idiots someone would want to consult on economics. hahahahhaa

They were lied to by the rt-wing politicians, the debt came to light under the center-leftists.

It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments.

 

[Meathead]

LOL Not at all.

Really? Greece is now screwed over far worse than they were before. All the referendum did, was destroy trust between Greece and the lenders, which is why the bailout package they agreed to NOW, after the vote, is worse than the bailout package they rejected before the referendum.

The only way someone who posted a thread like this, could not feel stupid, is if they were in fact so stupid, they didn't realize how badly this went for Socialist Syriza, and the Greek public.

All old news.

You don't threaten a democracy and expect the vote to be a nation of people on their knees begging for help.

International banks have been on a predatory lending binge for the last 14 years, since Shrub took office. They caused the worldwide recession in 2008 that is still going on. This is what the Greek people did, they said fuck off to the very few who have wealth and are manipulating whoever they can manipulate.

STICK IT!!

It doesn't matter if an angry mob got together and said "fuck off". They were lied to by their leftist politicians, not the banks. Fortunately the world doesn't have to bow down to the wishes of one angry mob, no matter how much you would like that.

Nah, that's just the never ending con meme that Dimbaugh and Faux News puts out. You know, the people that brought you, along with Bush the the Repbulicans, the 2008 Great Recession.

Yeah, those are the idiots someone would want to consult on economics. hahahahhaa

They were lied to by the rt-wing politicians, the debt came to light under the center-leftists.

It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments.

Don't be an ignorant ass, the EU and Greek people were lied to about the true debt during the administration of Kostas Simitis in 2001, a socialist prime minister which has led to his party, PASOK, becoming practically obsolete.

Don't address things that you know nothing about.

 

[dcraelin]

Really? Greece is now screwed over far worse than they were before. All the referendum did, was destroy trust between Greece and the lenders, which is why the bailout package they agreed to NOW, after the vote, is worse than the bailout package they rejected before the referendum.

The only way someone who posted a thread like this, could not feel stupid, is if they were in fact so stupid, they didn't realize how badly this went for Socialist Syriza, and the Greek public.

All old news.

You don't threaten a democracy and expect the vote to be a nation of people on their knees begging for help.

International banks have been on a predatory lending binge for the last 14 years, since Shrub took office. They caused the worldwide recession in 2008 that is still going on. This is what the Greek people did, they said fuck off to the very few who have wealth and are manipulating whoever they can manipulate.

STICK IT!!

It doesn't matter if an angry mob got together and said "fuck off". They were lied to by their leftist politicians, not the banks. Fortunately the world doesn't have to bow down to the wishes of one angry mob, no matter how much you would like that.

Nah, that's just the never ending con meme that Dimbaugh and Faux News puts out. You know, the people that brought you, along with Bush the the Repbulicans, the 2008 Great Recession.

Yeah, those are the idiots someone would want to consult on economics. hahahahhaa

They were lied to by the rt-wing politicians, the debt came to light under the center-leftists.

It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments.

Don't be an ignorant ass, the EU and Greek people were lied to about the true debt during the administration of Kostas Simitis in 2001, a socialist prime minister which has led to his party, PASOK, becoming practically obsolete.

Don't address things that you know nothing about.

you are simply wrong, it was all over the papers, including the WSJ. when a left-wing party whos name I cant remember probably PASOK, came to power after about 10 years of rt-wing NEW Democracy, THAT is when the debt was revealed.

I had this argument already with someone else on this board...yes PASOK perhaps had something to do with the run-up in debt some years ago. BUT it was the left that revealed debt hidden by the center-rt.

Dont try and change history

The main arguement of my post however is the mystery as to why Tsipras changed his mind.

"It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments."

 

[Meathead]

All old news.

You don't threaten a democracy and expect the vote to be a nation of people on their knees begging for help.

International banks have been on a predatory lending binge for the last 14 years, since Shrub took office. They caused the worldwide recession in 2008 that is still going on. This is what the Greek people did, they said fuck off to the very few who have wealth and are manipulating whoever they can manipulate.

STICK IT!!

It doesn't matter if an angry mob got together and said "fuck off". They were lied to by their leftist politicians, not the banks. Fortunately the world doesn't have to bow down to the wishes of one angry mob, no matter how much you would like that.

Nah, that's just the never ending con meme that Dimbaugh and Faux News puts out. You know, the people that brought you, along with Bush the the Repbulicans, the 2008 Great Recession.

Yeah, those are the idiots someone would want to consult on economics. hahahahhaa

They were lied to by the rt-wing politicians, the debt came to light under the center-leftists.

It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments.

Don't be an ignorant ass, the EU and Greek people were lied to about the true debt during the administration of Kostas Simitis in 2001, a socialist prime minister which has led to his party, PASOK, becoming practically obsolete.

Don't address things that you know nothing about.

you are simply wrong, it was all over the papers, including the WSJ. when a left-wing party whos name I cant remember probably PASOK, came to power after about 10 years of rt-wing NEW Democracy, THAT is when the debt was revealed.

I had this argument already with someone else on this board...yes PASOK perhaps had something to do with the run-up in debt some years ago. BUT it was the left that revealed debt hidden by the center-rt.

Dont try and change history

The main arguement of my post however is the mystery as to why Tsipras changed his mind.

"It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments."

You're out of your league on this one kid. The conservatives have been in power for only 8 years in the last 35:
List of Prime Ministers of Greece - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Tsipras did an about face because he finally understood that he would be the one to take Greece out of the Euro and his finance minister, Varoufakis, was an idiot.

 

[Andylusion]

Yeah!! Greece told em to "stick it!!" !! ..... and came away with a worse deal.....now they're truly fucked. They can never pay back the debt, so why bother? Get the pain over. Face the music. It's over.

They'd of been better off sticking to their guns and walking away from the EU. But that would require balls, something very few in the political class possess.

Actually, they could pay back the loans. Honestly, the numbers suggest that if Greece wanted to, they still can pay back the loans.

However, it will require that they cut spending drastically. And I mean DRASTICALLY.

The question isn't "can Greece pay back the loans?" That's already answered 'yes'. The question is "are they willing to pay back the loans?" And that isn't answered yet. It might be no.

In which case, then Greece is screwed worse than anything they have gone through thus far.

If they do not pay back these loans... they will be kicked out of the EU. If they are kicked out of the EU... I can't see how the results would be anything short of a failed state. Inflation would be massive. Companies would pull out of Greece. Unemployment would be horrendous.

They already, as things are right now, have a huge brain drain. Mass exodus from Greece of all the professionals and capitalists that create jobs. If they are kicked out of the EU, they don't stand a chance of recovering. At least not in the next decade.

 

[Andylusion]

All old news.

You don't threaten a democracy and expect the vote to be a nation of people on their knees begging for help.

International banks have been on a predatory lending binge for the last 14 years, since Shrub took office. They caused the worldwide recession in 2008 that is still going on. This is what the Greek people did, they said fuck off to the very few who have wealth and are manipulating whoever they can manipulate.

STICK IT!!

It doesn't matter if an angry mob got together and said "fuck off". They were lied to by their leftist politicians, not the banks. Fortunately the world doesn't have to bow down to the wishes of one angry mob, no matter how much you would like that.

Nah, that's just the never ending con meme that Dimbaugh and Faux News puts out. You know, the people that brought you, along with Bush the the Repbulicans, the 2008 Great Recession.

Yeah, those are the idiots someone would want to consult on economics. hahahahhaa

They were lied to by the rt-wing politicians, the debt came to light under the center-leftists.

It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments.

Don't be an ignorant ass, the EU and Greek people were lied to about the true debt during the administration of Kostas Simitis in 2001, a socialist prime minister which has led to his party, PASOK, becoming practically obsolete.

Don't address things that you know nothing about.

you are simply wrong, it was all over the papers, including the WSJ. when a left-wing party whos name I cant remember probably PASOK, came to power after about 10 years of rt-wing NEW Democracy, THAT is when the debt was revealed.

I had this argument already with someone else on this board...yes PASOK perhaps had something to do with the run-up in debt some years ago. BUT it was the left that revealed debt hidden by the center-rt.

Dont try and change history

The main arguement of my post however is the mystery as to why Tsipras changed his mind.

"It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments."

We've tried telling you the truth. I've posted links to the truth. I posted several in fact, from various news sources, including the BBC.

You are in fact wrong. Just flat out, you are wrong.

If you can't take the truth, then you have disqualified yourself from this debate.

Greece debt crisis How did we get here - CNN.com

In fact, most people agreed that Greece cooked it's books in 2002, while PASOK was still in power. But the real bomb shell hit in 2004, when New Democracy came to power, and did a review of the numbers, and found things were much worse than anyone suspected.

Now you have the option right here to decide whether you accept the reality that everyone who knows what was going on, all agree is the truth, or to instead prove yourself too incompetent to talk to on this forum.

Which is it?

 

[dcraelin]

It doesn't matter if an angry mob got together and said "fuck off". They were lied to by their leftist politicians, not the banks. Fortunately the world doesn't have to bow down to the wishes of one angry mob, no matter how much you would like that.

Nah, that's just the never ending con meme that Dimbaugh and Faux News puts out. You know, the people that brought you, along with Bush the the Repbulicans, the 2008 Great Recession.

Yeah, those are the idiots someone would want to consult on economics. hahahahhaa

They were lied to by the rt-wing politicians, the debt came to light under the center-leftists.

It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments.

Don't be an ignorant ass, the EU and Greek people were lied to about the true debt during the administration of Kostas Simitis in 2001, a socialist prime minister which has led to his party, PASOK, becoming practically obsolete.

Don't address things that you know nothing about.

you are simply wrong, it was all over the papers, including the WSJ. when a left-wing party whos name I cant remember probably PASOK, came to power after about 10 years of rt-wing NEW Democracy, THAT is when the debt was revealed.

I had this argument already with someone else on this board...yes PASOK perhaps had something to do with the run-up in debt some years ago. BUT it was the left that revealed debt hidden by the center-rt.

Dont try and change history

The main arguement of my post however is the mystery as to why Tsipras changed his mind.

"It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments."

You're out of your league on this one kid. The conservatives have been in power for only 8 years in the last 35:
List of Prime Ministers of Greece - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Tsipras did an about face because he finally understood that he would be the one to take Greece out of the Euro and his finance minister, Varoufakis, was an idiot.

I think you're lying, and if you're not than those 8 years were the most devastating of all.

Strange about face in something like 24 hours..........I think interpol or someone should come in and see if his life was threatened by thug bankers.

Varoufakis was a teacher in Texas...maybe he did pick up some idiocy there.

 

[dcraelin]

It doesn't matter if an angry mob got together and said "fuck off". They were lied to by their leftist politicians, not the banks. Fortunately the world doesn't have to bow down to the wishes of one angry mob, no matter how much you would like that.

Nah, that's just the never ending con meme that Dimbaugh and Faux News puts out. You know, the people that brought you, along with Bush the the Repbulicans, the 2008 Great Recession.

Yeah, those are the idiots someone would want to consult on economics. hahahahhaa

They were lied to by the rt-wing politicians, the debt came to light under the center-leftists.

It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments.

Don't be an ignorant ass, the EU and Greek people were lied to about the true debt during the administration of Kostas Simitis in 2001, a socialist prime minister which has led to his party, PASOK, becoming practically obsolete.

Don't address things that you know nothing about.

you are simply wrong, it was all over the papers, including the WSJ. when a left-wing party whos name I cant remember probably PASOK, came to power after about 10 years of rt-wing NEW Democracy, THAT is when the debt was revealed.

I had this argument already with someone else on this board...yes PASOK perhaps had something to do with the run-up in debt some years ago. BUT it was the left that revealed debt hidden by the center-rt.

Dont try and change history

The main arguement of my post however is the mystery as to why Tsipras changed his mind.

"It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments."

We've tried telling you the truth. I've posted links to the truth. I posted several in fact, from various news sources, including the BBC.

You are in fact wrong. Just flat out, you are wrong.

If you can't take the truth, then you have disqualified yourself from this debate.

Greece debt crisis How did we get here - CNN.com

In fact, most people agreed that Greece cooked it's books in 2002, while PASOK was still in power. But the real bomb shell hit in 2004, when New Democracy came to power, and did a review of the numbers, and found things were much worse than anyone suspected.

Now you have the option right here to decide whether you accept the reality that everyone who knows what was going on, all agree is the truth, or to instead prove yourself too incompetent to talk to on this forum.

Which is it?

I read in the WSJournal itself that it was the left wing that revealed the numbers...........you and your pal in lying probably cooked up wikipedia lies.......so no I dont believe you.

 

[Andylusion]

Nah, that's just the never ending con meme that Dimbaugh and Faux News puts out. You know, the people that brought you, along with Bush the the Repbulicans, the 2008 Great Recession.

Yeah, those are the idiots someone would want to consult on economics. hahahahhaa

They were lied to by the rt-wing politicians, the debt came to light under the center-leftists.

It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments.

Don't be an ignorant ass, the EU and Greek people were lied to about the true debt during the administration of Kostas Simitis in 2001, a socialist prime minister which has led to his party, PASOK, becoming practically obsolete.

Don't address things that you know nothing about.

you are simply wrong, it was all over the papers, including the WSJ. when a left-wing party whos name I cant remember probably PASOK, came to power after about 10 years of rt-wing NEW Democracy, THAT is when the debt was revealed.

I had this argument already with someone else on this board...yes PASOK perhaps had something to do with the run-up in debt some years ago. BUT it was the left that revealed debt hidden by the center-rt.

Dont try and change history

The main arguement of my post however is the mystery as to why Tsipras changed his mind.

"It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments."

We've tried telling you the truth. I've posted links to the truth. I posted several in fact, from various news sources, including the BBC.

You are in fact wrong. Just flat out, you are wrong.

If you can't take the truth, then you have disqualified yourself from this debate.

Greece debt crisis How did we get here - CNN.com

In fact, most people agreed that Greece cooked it's books in 2002, while PASOK was still in power. But the real bomb shell hit in 2004, when New Democracy came to power, and did a review of the numbers, and found things were much worse than anyone suspected.

Now you have the option right here to decide whether you accept the reality that everyone who knows what was going on, all agree is the truth, or to instead prove yourself too incompetent to talk to on this forum.

Which is it?

I read in the WSJournal itself that it was the left wing that revealed the numbers...........you and your pal in lying probably cooked up wikipedia lies.......so no I dont believe you.

Then you are too incompetent to be debating here. Nothing else you say matter anymore.

 

[theHawk]

Boy, I'll bet you feel pretty stupid now, eh?

LOL Not at all.

Really? Greece is now screwed over far worse than they were before. All the referendum did, was destroy trust between Greece and the lenders, which is why the bailout package they agreed to NOW, after the vote, is worse than the bailout package they rejected before the referendum.

The only way someone who posted a thread like this, could not feel stupid, is if they were in fact so stupid, they didn't realize how badly this went for Socialist Syriza, and the Greek public.

All old news.

You don't threaten a democracy and expect the vote to be a nation of people on their knees begging for help.

International banks have been on a predatory lending binge for the last 14 years, since Shrub took office. They caused the worldwide recession in 2008 that is still going on. This is what the Greek people did, they said fuck off to the very few who have wealth and are manipulating whoever they can manipulate.

STICK IT!!

It doesn't matter if an angry mob got together and said "fuck off". They were lied to by their leftist politicians, not the banks. Fortunately the world doesn't have to bow down to the wishes of one angry mob, no matter how much you would like that.

Nah, that's just the never ending con meme that Dimbaugh and Faux News puts out. You know, the people that brought you, along with Bush the the Repbulicans, the 2008 Great Recession.

Yeah, those are the idiots someone would want to consult on economics. hahahahhaa

If it is just another right wing "meme" then why did the Greek referendum count for NOTHING?

You can try to deflect all you want, it won't change the facts.

 

[dcraelin]

They were lied to by the rt-wing politicians, the debt came to light under the center-leftists.

It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments.

Don't be an ignorant ass, the EU and Greek people were lied to about the true debt during the administration of Kostas Simitis in 2001, a socialist prime minister which has led to his party, PASOK, becoming practically obsolete.

Don't address things that you know nothing about.

you are simply wrong, it was all over the papers, including the WSJ. when a left-wing party whos name I cant remember probably PASOK, came to power after about 10 years of rt-wing NEW Democracy, THAT is when the debt was revealed.

I had this argument already with someone else on this board...yes PASOK perhaps had something to do with the run-up in debt some years ago. BUT it was the left that revealed debt hidden by the center-rt.

Dont try and change history

The main arguement of my post however is the mystery as to why Tsipras changed his mind.

"It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments."

We've tried telling you the truth. I've posted links to the truth. I posted several in fact, from various news sources, including the BBC.

You are in fact wrong. Just flat out, you are wrong.

If you can't take the truth, then you have disqualified yourself from this debate.

Greece debt crisis How did we get here - CNN.com

In fact, most people agreed that Greece cooked it's books in 2002, while PASOK was still in power. But the real bomb shell hit in 2004, when New Democracy came to power, and did a review of the numbers, and found things were much worse than anyone suspected.

Now you have the option right here to decide whether you accept the reality that everyone who knows what was going on, all agree is the truth, or to instead prove yourself too incompetent to talk to on this forum.

Which is it?

I read in the WSJournal itself that it was the left wing that revealed the numbers...........you and your pal in lying probably cooked up wikipedia lies.......so no I dont believe you.

Then you are too incompetent to be debating here. Nothing else you say matter anymore.

Ill take the WSJ even with its idiot editorializers over you any day.

 

[Andylusion]

Don't be an ignorant ass, the EU and Greek people were lied to about the true debt during the administration of Kostas Simitis in 2001, a socialist prime minister which has led to his party, PASOK, becoming practically obsolete.

Don't address things that you know nothing about.

you are simply wrong, it was all over the papers, including the WSJ. when a left-wing party whos name I cant remember probably PASOK, came to power after about 10 years of rt-wing NEW Democracy, THAT is when the debt was revealed.

I had this argument already with someone else on this board...yes PASOK perhaps had something to do with the run-up in debt some years ago. BUT it was the left that revealed debt hidden by the center-rt.

Dont try and change history

The main arguement of my post however is the mystery as to why Tsipras changed his mind.

"It is a puzzle why Tsipras would back away from the vote he called for.......you almost got to wonder if his life was threatened by these thug bankers.....or their tools in the the other European governments."

We've tried telling you the truth. I've posted links to the truth. I posted several in fact, from various news sources, including the BBC.

You are in fact wrong. Just flat out, you are wrong.

If you can't take the truth, then you have disqualified yourself from this debate.

Greece debt crisis How did we get here - CNN.com

In fact, most people agreed that Greece cooked it's books in 2002, while PASOK was still in power. But the real bomb shell hit in 2004, when New Democracy came to power, and did a review of the numbers, and found things were much worse than anyone suspected.

Now you have the option right here to decide whether you accept the reality that everyone who knows what was going on, all agree is the truth, or to instead prove yourself too incompetent to talk to on this forum.

Which is it?

I read in the WSJournal itself that it was the left wing that revealed the numbers...........you and your pal in lying probably cooked up wikipedia lies.......so no I dont believe you.

Then you are too incompetent to be debating here. Nothing else you say matter anymore.

Ill take the WSJ even with its idiot editorializers over you any day.

Nothing personal, but you have already disqualified yourself from the debate. You were given numerous sources to choose from, and simply gave excuses.

You are just not rational enough to debate with, when hard evidence is ignored by you. Good bye.