Government is a beautiful thing

[Contumacious]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.{/quote]

HUH?


When government works...........

Do we have a full moon tonight

The fucking berners never cease to amaze me


Here is the government "working" in Venezuela

Why don't pieces of shit like you move there?


.

UH?


When government works...........

Do we have a full moon tonight

The fucking berners never ceas to amaze me


Here is the government "working" in Venezuela

Why don't pieces of shit like you move there?

.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I started laughing after "when govt works".

 

[flacaltenn]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

You have an unreal expectation of the efficiency and wisdom of a massive bureaucracy. That's DIFFERENT than vesting powers in a Govt. And certainly, a $Bill dollar website for O-care that overran budget and schedule is a perfect example. Or the EPA yahoos that decided to blow up a mine in Colorado as a DIY project who STILL have their jobs and salaries. Or a State Dept that RENEWED Mohammed Attah's visa AFTER he flew a plane into the WTC..

You don't get competence and efficiency when Congress no longer controls the massive beast. IN FACT -- the "beast" controls Congress. Since Congress doesn't WRITE law anymore. It just passes "fill in the blank" legislation and tasks the agencies to figure it all out. That's a CLEAR indication -- that they've bitten off MUCH more than they should. Both ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank were "BLANK BILLS".. Neither is fully written or implemented TODAY. Which causes MASSIVE uncertainty in the markets and consumers and puts the brakes on the economy...

There's also a difference between appointing the wrong people for the job and designing programs that are inherently effective if the right people are involved.

My God. That's so far down the list of getting ACCOUNTIBILITY from a govt this size. The "right people" are the 200Million WORKING in America today. That is where the expertise is largely.

And like I said Congress is not DESIGNING anything anymore. The design details come straight out of the sausage factories that are the Agencies. With LITTLE or no oversight and mgt. Lately Congress has been unsuccessful in getting any SIMPLE ANSWERS out of agencies when they investigate.

Add to that the fact, that most leftists look at agencies as "strong arm enforcers and regulators". But the MISSIONS of the agencies are confused by dual roles. For instance, the Dept of Ag has a dual mission both to REGULATE and PROMOTE Agriculture at the same time. Which means they are in bed with the producers to promote their products AND attempting to regulate. This happens all over the place.

And when it comes to things like energy policy, ANY policy designed in Wash is gonna fail if the authors of the programs don't GO TO the current energy producers and find out what's in R&D or future plans. They'd just fail and look stupid. So any BRILLIANT energy policy SHOULD be written by again -- getting in bed with the folks who CURRENTLY keep the lights on..

 

[OKTexas]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

The federal government was designed to manage our union of States, the harmony of society is a State responsibility.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

Use the Constitution. It works. It keeps the federal government in check, as is its purpose.

Lincoln, our nation's greatest president, expanded the power of the federal government.

Which means he wasn't our greatest president.

Why don't you put down the Kool-Aid and think for your self.

Your OP is stupid.

Government isn't designed. It evolves. That is how ours was set up. Weakening it is an evolution of sorts and is just as credible as strengthening it.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

You have an unreal expectation of the efficiency and wisdom of a massive bureaucracy. That's DIFFERENT than vesting powers in a Govt. And certainly, a $Bill dollar website for O-care that overran budget and schedule is a perfect example. Or the EPA yahoos that decided to blow up a mine in Colorado as a DIY project who STILL have their jobs and salaries. Or a State Dept that RENEWED Mohammed Attah's visa AFTER he flew a plane into the WTC..

You don't get competence and efficiency when Congress no longer controls the massive beast. IN FACT -- the "beast" controls Congress. Since Congress doesn't WRITE law anymore. It just passes "fill in the blank" legislation and tasks the agencies to figure it all out. That's a CLEAR indication -- that they've bitten off MUCH more than they should. Both ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank were "BLANK BILLS".. Neither is fully written or implemented TODAY. Which causes MASSIVE uncertainty in the markets and consumers and puts the brakes on the economy...

There's also a difference between appointing the wrong people for the job and designing programs that are inherently effective if the right people are involved.

My God. That's so far down the list of getting ACCOUNTIBILITY from a govt this size. The "right people" are the 200Million WORKING in America today. That is where the expertise is largely.

And like I said Congress is not DESIGNING anything anymore. The design details come straight out of the sausage factories that are the Agencies. With LITTLE or no oversight and mgt. Lately Congress has been unsuccessful in getting any SIMPLE ANSWERS out of agencies when they investigate.

Add to that the fact, that most leftists look at agencies as "strong arm enforcers and regulators". But the MISSIONS of the agencies are confused by dual roles. For instance, the Dept of Ag has a dual mission both to REGULATE and PROMOTE Agriculture at the same time. Which means they are in bed with the producers to promote their products AND attempting to regulate. This happens all over the place.

And when it comes to things like energy policy, ANY policy designed in Wash is gonna fail if the authors of the programs don't GO TO the current energy producers and find out what's in R&D or future plans. They'd just fail and look stupid. So any BRILLIANT energy policy SHOULD be written by again -- getting in bed with the folks who CURRENTLY keep the lights on..

Amen

Amen

Amen

 

[Damaged Eagle]

The problem with increasing the number of government employees is that they are human. In turn as the overall size of government increases the employees will feel more and more empowered. This empowerment means they will feel entitled to grant themselves more benefits and to take advantage of others not in their position. This runs contrary to being the intention of a government that is should be to protect and serve the people.

We need to get back to basics.

"There is too much government today. We've got to remember the government should be by the people, of the people, and for the people."
Ray Bradbury

*****SMILE*****

 

[flacaltenn]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

You have an unreal expectation of the efficiency and wisdom of a massive bureaucracy. That's DIFFERENT than vesting powers in a Govt. And certainly, a $Bill dollar website for O-care that overran budget and schedule is a perfect example. Or the EPA yahoos that decided to blow up a mine in Colorado as a DIY project who STILL have their jobs and salaries. Or a State Dept that RENEWED Mohammed Attah's visa AFTER he flew a plane into the WTC..

You don't get competence and efficiency when Congress no longer controls the massive beast. IN FACT -- the "beast" controls Congress. Since Congress doesn't WRITE law anymore. It just passes "fill in the blank" legislation and tasks the agencies to figure it all out. That's a CLEAR indication -- that they've bitten off MUCH more than they should. Both ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank were "BLANK BILLS".. Neither is fully written or implemented TODAY. Which causes MASSIVE uncertainty in the markets and consumers and puts the brakes on the economy...

There's also a difference between appointing the wrong people for the job and designing programs that are inherently effective if the right people are involved.

That has been the communist manifesto ever since its inception.....if only we get the right people in, a veritable utopia will surely ensue......................and it never does. What does happen is dictators, tyrants, state owned control of property, price fixings, shortages AND millions of deaths.

Exactly. When the govt exceeds it's bounds of expertise and ATTEMPTS to manage industries and market sectors. The NEXT thing that happens is that they WHINE that the ONLY solution is to "nationalize" it. And inevitably that amount of socialism leads to cronyism, corruption, and graft.

Govt needs to focus on it's basic priorities. Because it's FUCKING THOSE UP royally. Be it MidEast policy or insuring FAIR ELECTIONS, or keeping politics out of the Justice System. For things like technology, Govt should NEVER be in the process of picking market winners/losers individually. Like with Musk or Solyndra. They should fund STRICTLY R&D and naked science. And make that available to ALL bidders for contracts and grants EQUALLY...

 

[OKTexas]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

You have an unreal expectation of the efficiency and wisdom of a massive bureaucracy. That's DIFFERENT than vesting powers in a Govt. And certainly, a $Bill dollar website for O-care that overran budget and schedule is a perfect example. Or the EPA yahoos that decided to blow up a mine in Colorado as a DIY project who STILL have their jobs and salaries. Or a State Dept that RENEWED Mohammed Attah's visa AFTER he flew a plane into the WTC..

You don't get competence and efficiency when Congress no longer controls the massive beast. IN FACT -- the "beast" controls Congress. Since Congress doesn't WRITE law anymore. It just passes "fill in the blank" legislation and tasks the agencies to figure it all out. That's a CLEAR indication -- that they've bitten off MUCH more than they should. Both ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank were "BLANK BILLS".. Neither is fully written or implemented TODAY. Which causes MASSIVE uncertainty in the markets and consumers and puts the brakes on the economy...

There's also a difference between appointing the wrong people for the job and designing programs that are inherently effective if the right people are involved.

And then there's people like your dear leader that doesn't want the job to be done in the first place, despite what the law says.

 

[Billy000]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.{/quote]

HUH?


When government works...........

Do we have a full moon tonight

The fucking berners never ceas to amaze me


Here is the government "working" in Venezuela

Why don't pieces of shit like you move there?


.

Don't you realize how stupid and fallacious it is to say that the concept of government is inherently flawed by cherry picking a country like Venezuela as proof? Yeah no shit some governments fail. That doesn't mean the entire concept is flawed if we know it works.

 

[OKTexas]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

You have an unreal expectation of the efficiency and wisdom of a massive bureaucracy. That's DIFFERENT than vesting powers in a Govt. And certainly, a $Bill dollar website for O-care that overran budget and schedule is a perfect example. Or the EPA yahoos that decided to blow up a mine in Colorado as a DIY project who STILL have their jobs and salaries. Or a State Dept that RENEWED Mohammed Attah's visa AFTER he flew a plane into the WTC..

You don't get competence and efficiency when Congress no longer controls the massive beast. IN FACT -- the "beast" controls Congress. Since Congress doesn't WRITE law anymore. It just passes "fill in the blank" legislation and tasks the agencies to figure it all out. That's a CLEAR indication -- that they've bitten off MUCH more than they should. Both ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank were "BLANK BILLS".. Neither is fully written or implemented TODAY. Which causes MASSIVE uncertainty in the markets and consumers and puts the brakes on the economy...

There's also a difference between appointing the wrong people for the job and designing programs that are inherently effective if the right people are involved.

That has been the communist manifesto ever since its inception.....if only we get the right people in, a veritable utopia will surely ensue......................and it never does. What does happen is dictators, tyrants, state owned control of property, price fixings, shortages AND millions of deaths.

Exactly. When the govt exceeds it's bounds of expertise and ATTEMPTS to manage industries and market sectors. The NEXT thing that happens is that they WHINE that the ONLY solution is to "nationalize" it. And inevitably that amount of socialism leads to cronyism, corruption, and graft.

Govt needs to focus on it's basic priorities. Because it's FUCKING THOSE UP royally. Be it MidEast policy or insuring FAIR ELECTIONS, or keeping politics out of the Justice System. For things like technology, Govt should NEVER be in the process of picking market winners/losers individually. Like with Musk or Solyndra. They should fund STRICTLY R&D and naked science. And make that available to ALL bidders for contracts and grants EQUALLY...

So you don't really think the Constitution should determine the governments roll?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin.

The Democratic Party would elect Stalin in a heartbeat if you could

Why?

The promise of robbing Peter to pay Paul

 

[Rustic]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

Only fucking moron thinks that collectivism is worth a shit...

 

[Billy000]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin.

The Democratic Party would elect Stalin in a heartbeat if you could

Why?

The promise of robbing Peter to pay Paul

Huh? That's a lame answer. I mean I guess you're referring to communism but that's still lame because I definitely don't want communism. In fact the vast majority of liberals agree.

 

[Billy000]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

Only fucking moron thinks that collectivism is worth a shit...

You aren't smart enough to understand the concept.

 

[Rustic]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

Use the Constitution. It works. It keeps the federal government in check, as is its purpose.

Lincoln, our nation's greatest president, expanded the power of the federal government.

Are you a fucking moron? Lincoln was the only president in US history to suspend habeas corpus… unforgivable

 

[Rustic]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

Only fucking moron thinks that collectivism is worth a shit...

You aren't smart enough to understand the concept.

Collectivism means there's no room for the individual and the freedoms that go along with it… Fact

 

[Rustic]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

Use the Constitution. It works. It keeps the federal government in check, as is its purpose.

Lincoln, our nation's greatest president, expanded the power of the federal government.

And he was right to do so. No nation can work as 50 different states that hate each other...

No nation on earth works this way...

Getting along is way over-rated...

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin.

The Democratic Party would elect Stalin in a heartbeat if you could

Why?

The promise of robbing Peter to pay Paul

Huh? That's a lame answer. I mean I guess you're referring to communism but that's still lame because I definitely don't want communism. In fact the vast majority of liberals agree.

Your party almost nominated Bernie Sanders. His rhetoric is no different than that of Stalin, Castro, Guevara, etc.

 

[Rustic]

Here's the thing about the RW's perspective on government: liberals don't say "more government, the better!" Obviously that's wrong when we look at Totalitarian regimes from history like Hitler or Stalin. Liberals, generally, want a government that serves the collective. They want a government that puts a capitalistic economy in check for the sake of the greater good.

Liberals want effective regulatory policies over society.

Now that idea is a thought-provoking one. One of course has to ask: where do you draw the line on government power? How do you balance individual freedom with law and order that protects society as a whole? It's not an easy answer.

However, all that being said, this country needs a strong government. It needs a strong federal government. Republicans' goals to weaken it are perverse.

When government works, it really works. It's a beautiful thing that can bring harmony to society if it is designed properly.

You have an unreal expectation of the efficiency and wisdom of a massive bureaucracy. That's DIFFERENT than vesting powers in a Govt. And certainly, a $Bill dollar website for O-care that overran budget and schedule is a perfect example. Or the EPA yahoos that decided to blow up a mine in Colorado as a DIY project who STILL have their jobs and salaries. Or a State Dept that RENEWED Mohammed Attah's visa AFTER he flew a plane into the WTC..

You don't get competence and efficiency when Congress no longer controls the massive beast. IN FACT -- the "beast" controls Congress. Since Congress doesn't WRITE law anymore. It just passes "fill in the blank" legislation and tasks the agencies to figure it all out. That's a CLEAR indication -- that they've bitten off MUCH more than they should. Both ObamaCare and Dodd-Frank were "BLANK BILLS".. Neither is fully written or implemented TODAY. Which causes MASSIVE uncertainty in the markets and consumers and puts the brakes on the economy...

There's also a difference between appointing the wrong people for the job and designing programs that are inherently effective if the right people are involved.

Career politicians fuck up everything they touch… Fact