GOP are not about "freedom": Move to Kill Net Neutrality Legislation

[RDD_1210]

Once again the GOP proves that when they preach about freedom and small business that it's all total horseshit. The GOP is about one thing....big business and freedom for big business to do what they want, when they want. The GOP doesn't care about freedom for the individual and they certainly don't care about small business. Their ridiculous stance on Net Neutrality proves that without a shadow of a doubt.

Republicans Will Try to Kill New Net-Neutrality Rules - NationalJournal.com

If you are against Net Neutrality, you either don't understand the issue or you're a corporate shill. There is no other explanation.

The government needs to help me access the Internet!

Do you like the access you've had to the internet up until now?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Once Net Neutrality is gone heres an example of what we can expect:

But since Obama is pro net neutrality the republicans (without knowing the issue at all) will be opposed to it. Cutting their own throats

Yup, cable services will skyrocket and services will be reduced. Verizon and Comcast have won.

This is a very good Op-Ed about it from one of our regional news websites, explains it very well (and this guy is a Republican):


The Public Square Goes Private
Published: Thursday, January 23, 2014
By Henry Briggs


Suppose the internet - that vast public square we’ve all come to rely on - were controlled by companies like Verizon or Comcast, whose only goal is to increase profits.

That’s about to happen.

Originally, cable companies (like Verizon and Comcast) were considered “telecommunication services” - utilities (like PECO or Aqua) that everyone needed. As such they were regulated by government, in this case the FCC. Because of a recent court ruling, they can no longer be regulated by the FCC.

Some of you may remember when television and radio were free. Content was paid for by advertisements. The only problem was reception; some people couldn’t get all the channels. Then a guy in the Pennsylvania mountains who had poor “over-the-air” TV reception, built a huge antenna on a mountain top. It brought him such clear signals his neighbors were envious. So, he ran cable from his antenna to their houses and charged a fee, the way telephone companies charged a fee for land lines.

It was a pipe-line, only instead of water it carried TV signals.

That, as with most innovation, spawned a new way to make money: HBO and others produced shows without ads and sold them to cable companies for a per-subscriber fee.

So now cable companies made money as utilities, stations made money from ads, and content producers made money from cable companies’ viewers. Everybody was happy, except the viewer who was now paying for what once was free.

(Comcast was so happy they bought NBC Universal and now own content producers as well as stations and other cable companies.)

Now to the Internet. As we all know, the Internet is an enormous, 24/7, public square. Individuals with no money or clout can put out ideas and start businesses that might have been squashed by big government or big business in an earlier time. Blogs abound, as does everything from porn to on-line college degrees. It’s the greatest communication device and equalizer ever conceived.

“Net Neutrality” is a term applied to the Internet from the start. It means pipeline owners cannot favor one site over another: It means there can be no discrimination - at all.

“Net neutrality” spawned an explosion of sites, including content providers like Netflix and others who “stream” their content instead of paying fees to cable companies. Which angered the likes of Verizon and Comcast, who have been the bullies on the block for years.

Until 2002, the FCC had defined cable companies as “telecommunications services” or utilities, thereby making them subject to FCC regulations. In the early 2000’s, cable companies lobbied to be relabeled as “information services,” which are not subject to regulations.

The FCC, being stupid or worse (Michael Powell, head of the FCC then, is now head of the National Cable and Telecommunications Association), decided to split the baby. They gave cable companies the new label, but decided to regulate them like utilities.

After letting that label sink in for a few years, Verizon (looking to add revenue streams of its own) took the FCC to court for ignoring the “information services” label. Not surprisingly, Verizon won.

So now, Verizon and Comcast have a new revenue stream for the same old services; they can not only charge Netflix double, triple, quadruple or more fees, they can drop even the pretense of “customer service,” and they can increase fees without any impediments, like, say competition.

It’s as though one or two ranchers in the old West controlled all water rights.

They will stop cable-cutting in its tracks; people who can least afford TV, will have to pay whatever Comcast and Verizon charge. Netflix, Hulu and other content streamers will die on the vine. Amazon will survive, thank you, because of its size and heft, but the next Amazon will never be born. Eventually, big money will control the public square the way it controls the political process today.

The public square that is the Internet today will be cowed, or worse, silenced.

Reminds me of an old saying: “If you have them by the b****s, their minds and hearts will follow”.

There is one way of undoing this, of returning democracy and fair competition to the public square: getting the FCC to change cable’s label back to “telecommunications service.” It will cause, as NTCA Chairman Michael Powell put it, “World War III” - or, as I like to think of it, a lobbying war of the first order. But, it will be worth it.

If you agree, let the FCC know by going to: Contact Us | FCC.gov.

 

[ClosedCaption]

how many times has this occurred since 2000?

I mean, if it's as common as you think it is to need the government to protect me, it must happen a lot.

Is once not enough or you want examples of repeated rape to show rape hurts?

If voter fraud happens once, is that not enough? Or do you need examples of how voter fraud hurts?

No the difference is that when Verizon decides to slow down a site it slows it for millions of people. Voter fraud is one person. I know millions is just like 1 when you squint really hard but its not

 

[RandomVariable]

This is an example of "free market" telcos. The whole industry has been funded in similar manners.

Post Tech - AT&T, Verizon get most federal aid for phone service

AT&T, Verizon get most federal aid for phone service

AT&T and Verizon Communications were the biggest recipients of federal support from an $8 billion phone subsidy program, according to data released Thursday by the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

Over the past three years, AT&T received $1.3 billion in funds to deploy phone lines to rural areas. Verizon got $1.27 billion in the same 2007-09 period.

Lawmakers and public interest groups are questioning the use of those federal funds, much of which appears to go to wireless services areas where telecom companies would be even without support. And they say the fund needs to be overhauled to focus on expanding broadband connections.

 

[OriginalShroom]

While I am for the Net Neutrality, I am against the FCC making the rules.

It should be an act of Congress.

I am sick and tired of these Alphabet soup groups making up the rules that the affect and effect of Law without going through the Congress.

These groups, such as the FCC, should be enforcers and suggestors. That's it. If they think a rule needs to be changed, they should be required to go before the Congress with a bill, and if the Congress agrees, they pass it and sends it to the President for signing.

 

[ClosedCaption]

anyone that wants the FCC to regulate the internet is a complete and utter fool.

The willful ignorance of wanting such a thing just baffles the mind.

This childish shit started in the late 90's, and since then only comcast tried to screw the comp, once. they stopped when called out.

but yea, demand the fcc regulate b/c someone did something once.

So you don't understand Net Neutrality. Got it.

actually did some study, and came to the logical conclusion you like the name and not what it actually does.

well, let me be honest

You're just a dumb lib that believes more government is better, and no amount of proof going back decades will make you act (not think, since you can't) otherwise.

Uh oh...The Republibot 2000 is stuck in the talking points application and is not recognizing topics any more.

 

[RDD_1210]

anyone that wants the FCC to regulate the internet is a complete and utter fool.

The willful ignorance of wanting such a thing just baffles the mind.

This childish shit started in the late 90's, and since then only comcast tried to screw the comp, once. they stopped when called out.

but yea, demand the fcc regulate b/c someone did something once.

So you don't understand Net Neutrality. Got it.

actually did some study, and came to the logical conclusion you like the name and not what it actually does.

well, let me be honest

You're just a dumb lib that believes more government is better, and no amount of proof going back decades will make you act (not think, since you can't) otherwise.

Instead of name calling, let's try this. Can you answer one simple question?

Do you like the way you have been able to access the internet up until now?

 

[Darkwind]

Is once not enough or you want examples of repeated rape to show rape hurts?

If voter fraud happens once, is that not enough? Or do you need examples of how voter fraud hurts?

No the difference is that when Verizon decides to slow down a site it slows it for millions of people. Voter fraud is one person. I know millions is just like 1 when you squint really hard but its not

LOL....what a ******* tool you are....

I know if you squint real hard, one rape is just background noise....right?

Care to google how many elections were won by the slimmest of margins? I didn't think so.


BTW....When Verizon decides to slow down a site, it doesn't matter how many people are affected by it. The pipe to the Internet you are using is theirs, and it is their property, and this is granting that it even happens at all.

You want to know why they can do this? Because your regulations determine that they can create a monopoly.

So your answer is? I need government to protect Me from government!

I kid you not, your sickness is simply amazing.

Here is an idea....

Deregulate the entire industry....the ISP and Cable providers. Allow anyone with the willingness and the money to create an ISP or a cable company (All in the same area) and provide service to people who want it.

But that service will STILL be at the behest of the new company, and customers will STILL have to abide by the terms of service.

Cause I'll tell you right now, I'd make a ******* killing by providing carte blanche cable service with Internet....

What you are complaining about is having to pay a premium price for premium service.

 

[emilynghiem]

Once again the GOP proves that when they preach about freedom and small business that it's all total horseshit. The GOP is about one thing....big business and freedom for big business to do what they want, when they want. The GOP doesn't care about freedom for the individual and they certainly don't care about small business. Their ridiculous stance on Net Neutrality proves that without a shadow of a doubt.

Republicans Will Try to Kill New Net-Neutrality Rules - NationalJournal.com

If you are against Net Neutrality, you either don't understand the issue or you're a corporate shill. There is no other explanation.

Same with Democrats: not about prochoice
but pushing party agenda. look at ACA.

Nothing wrong with penalizing people for the choice of health care.
But for the choice of abortion, prolife policies are slammed for
even adding a requirement to look at a sonogram.

The choice of abortion carries a grave risk of harm to health and safety or even life.
What harm is caused by wanting to pay for health care other ways besides insurance (which doesn't cover all costs anyway).

Why do Democrats reject any attempt to add the slightest requirement on the choice of abortion?
But when it comes to FINING people for the free choice of paying for
insurance or health care through charity or other choices

IT'S OKAY FOR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO IMPOSE MANDATES, PENALTIES AND TAXES?

What happened to "keeping government out of health care choices"?

it's all about agenda, not about free choice.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

While I am for the Net Neutrality, I am against the FCC making the rules.

It should be an act of Congress.

I am sick and tired of these Alphabet soup groups making up the rules that the affect and effect of Law without going through the Congress.

These groups, such as the FCC, should be enforcers and suggestors. That's it. If they think a rule needs to be changed, they should be required to go before the Congress with a bill, and if the Congress agrees, they pass it and sends it to the President for signing.

So given your slightly convoluted logic, the FCC should enforce the Freedom of Information Act to sustain net neutrality. Please see my post and contact the FCC with the link provided.

Thank you, and remember that Congress DID form the FCC. It was not created by a dictator, a prime minister or a monarch.

The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent agency of the United States government, created by Congressional statute (see 47 U.S.C. § 151 and 47 U.S.C. § 154) to regulate interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and U.S. territories. The FCC works towards six goals in the areas of broadband, competition, the spectrum, the media, public safety and homeland security. The Commission is also in the process of modernizing itself.[3]

 

[Darkwind]

So you don't understand Net Neutrality. Got it.

actually did some study, and came to the logical conclusion you like the name and not what it actually does.

well, let me be honest

You're just a dumb lib that believes more government is better, and no amount of proof going back decades will make you act (not think, since you can't) otherwise.

Instead of name calling, let's try this. Can you answer one simple question?

Do you like the way you have been able to access the internet up until now?

Yes. All the speed they offer, and no restrictions on content. The only thing they won't allow Me to do is host webpages from My home.....well, they say they don't allow it........hehe

 

[Plasmaball]

If voter fraud happens once, is that not enough? Or do you need examples of how voter fraud hurts?

No the difference is that when Verizon decides to slow down a site it slows it for millions of people. Voter fraud is one person. I know millions is just like 1 when you squint really hard but its not

LOL....what a ******* tool you are....

I know if you squint real hard, one rape is just background noise....right?

Care to google how many elections were won by the slimmest of margins? I didn't think so.


BTW....When Verizon decides to slow down a site, it doesn't matter how many people are affected by it. The pipe to the Internet you are using is theirs, and it is their property, and this is granting that it even happens at all.

You want to know why they can do this? Because your regulations determine that they can create a monopoly.

So your answer is? I need government to protect Me from government!

I kid you not, your sickness is simply amazing.

Here is an idea....

Deregulate the entire industry....the ISP and Cable providers. Allow anyone with the willingness and the money to create an ISP or a cable company (All in the same area) and provide service to people who want it.

But that service will STILL be at the behest of the new company, and customers will STILL have to abide by the terms of service.

Cause I'll tell you right now, I'd make a ******* killing by providing carte blanche cable service with Internet....

What you are complaining about is having to pay a premium price for premium service.

Its not their property...it may be their line so to speak but they dont own it.do you ever notice what those lines go over?public domain.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Once again the GOP proves that when they preach about freedom and small business that it's all total horseshit. The GOP is about one thing....big business and freedom for big business to do what they want, when they want. The GOP doesn't care about freedom for the individual and they certainly don't care about small business. Their ridiculous stance on Net Neutrality proves that without a shadow of a doubt.

Republicans Will Try to Kill New Net-Neutrality Rules - NationalJournal.com

If you are against Net Neutrality, you either don't understand the issue or you're a corporate shill. There is no other explanation.

Same with Democrats: not about prochoice
but pushing party agenda. look at ACA.

Nothing wrong with penalizing people for the choice of health care.
But for the choice of abortion, prolife policies are slammed for
even adding a requirement to look at a sonogram.

The choice of abortion carries a grave risk of harm to health and safety or even life.
What harm is caused by wanting to pay for health care other ways besides insurance (which doesn't cover all costs anyway).

Why do Democrats reject any attempt to add the slightest requirement on the choice of abortion?
But when it comes to FINING people for the free choice of paying for
insurance or health care through charity or other choices

IT'S OKAY FOR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO IMPOSE MANDATES, PENALTIES AND TAXES?

What happened to "keeping government out of health care choices"?

it's all about agenda, not about free choice.

Why the **** can't any of you rightwing morons stay on topic? If you don't understand the topic, don't try to change it to suit your stupidity.

 

[ClosedCaption]

If voter fraud happens once, is that not enough? Or do you need examples of how voter fraud hurts?

No the difference is that when Verizon decides to slow down a site it slows it for millions of people. Voter fraud is one person. I know millions is just like 1 when you squint really hard but its not

LOL....what a ******* tool you are....

I know if you squint real hard, one rape is just background noise....right?

You're right one rape is like a million rapes. Apologies

Care to google how many elections were won by the slimmest of margins? I didn't think so.

How many?

BTW....When Verizon decides to slow down a site, it doesn't matter how many people are affected by it. The pipe to the Internet you are using is theirs, and it is their property, and this is granting that it even happens at all.

I know it doesnt matter how many people if affects since you think 1 rape and 1 million rapes are the same thing.

You want to know why they can do this? Because your regulations determine that they can create a monopoly.

So your answer is? I need government to protect Me from government!

No, swap out government for monopoly just the last time. I need government to protect Me from MONOPOLIES. See?

I kid you not, your sickness is simply amazing.

Are you always amazed? Jeez.

Here is an idea....

Deregulate the entire industry....the ISP and Cable providers. Allow anyone with the willingness and the money to create an ISP or a cable company (All in the same area) and provide service to people who want it.

They used govt subsidies so....ummm

But that service will STILL be at the behest of the new company, and customers will STILL have to abide by the terms of service.

Cause I'll tell you right now, I'd make a ******* killing by providing carte blanche cable service with Internet....

What you are complaining about is having to pay a premium price for premium service.

No, I just like the internet the way it is, Dont you?

 

[Plasmaball]

The horror of a company turning a profit to let someone use their stuff.


gaddamn, the ignorance of liberals is just ******* profound

The Federal Communications Commission announced Wednesday that it plans to reinstate rules that would restrict Internet providers from blocking websites or charging sites like Netflix an extra fee for faster service. The announcement comes one month after a federal court struck down the commission's net-neutrality rules but upheld its authority to regulate the Internet.

see you get your way you might just get blocked by your Isp to come here. You might be able to move, you may not

how many times has this occurred since 2000?

I mean, if it's as common as you think it is to need the government to protect me, it must happen a lot.

Very few but that is because we had these regulations in place to prevent it from happening. When it did it was shut down.

You see regulation and knee jerk with free market arguments. I like the Internet as is..it works just fine right now. No need to change it up for more money.

 

[OriginalShroom]

While I am for the Net Neutrality, I am against the FCC making the rules.

It should be an act of Congress.

I am sick and tired of these Alphabet soup groups making up the rules that the affect and effect of Law without going through the Congress.

These groups, such as the FCC, should be enforcers and suggestors. That's it. If they think a rule needs to be changed, they should be required to go before the Congress with a bill, and if the Congress agrees, they pass it and sends it to the President for signing.

So given your slightly convoluted logic, the FCC should enforce the Freedom of Information Act to sustain net neutrality. Please see my post and contact the FCC with the link provided.

Thank you, and remember that Congress DID form the FCC. It was not created by a dictator, a prime minister or a monarch.

The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent agency of the United States government, created by Congressional statute (see 47 U.S.C. § 151 and 47 U.S.C. § 154) to regulate interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and U.S. territories. The FCC works towards six goals in the areas of broadband, competition, the spectrum, the media, public safety and homeland security. The Commission is also in the process of modernizing itself.[3]

I see you fail to understand my post..

What else is new.

You're a friggin Liberal who can't understand anything done in anything other than crayon.

 

[Darkwind]

No the difference is that when Verizon decides to slow down a site it slows it for millions of people. Voter fraud is one person. I know millions is just like 1 when you squint really hard but its not

LOL....what a ******* tool you are....

I know if you squint real hard, one rape is just background noise....right?

You're right one rape is like a million rapes. Apologies



How many?




I know it doesnt matter how many people if affects since you think 1 rape and 1 million rapes are the same thing.



No, swap out government for monopoly just the last time. I need government to protect Me from MONOPOLIES. See?



Are you always amazed? Jeez.

Here is an idea....

Deregulate the entire industry....the ISP and Cable providers. Allow anyone with the willingness and the money to create an ISP or a cable company (All in the same area) and provide service to people who want it.

They used govt subsidies so....ummm

But that service will STILL be at the behest of the new company, and customers will STILL have to abide by the terms of service.

Cause I'll tell you right now, I'd make a ******* killing by providing carte blanche cable service with Internet....

What you are complaining about is having to pay a premium price for premium service.

No, I just like the internet the way it is, Dont you?

You are one sick individual, do you know that?

BTW...ISP's have a monopoly because of Government.

Oh....they use subsidies? You realize that tax breaks are NOT subsidies?

Enough of this....You clearly do NOT understand the issue of Net Neutrality. Your just like every liberal. You want more for free.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

No the difference is that when Verizon decides to slow down a site it slows it for millions of people. Voter fraud is one person. I know millions is just like 1 when you squint really hard but its not

LOL....what a ******* tool you are....

I know if you squint real hard, one rape is just background noise....right?

Care to google how many elections were won by the slimmest of margins? I didn't think so.


BTW....When Verizon decides to slow down a site, it doesn't matter how many people are affected by it. The pipe to the Internet you are using is theirs, and it is their property, and this is granting that it even happens at all.

You want to know why they can do this? Because your regulations determine that they can create a monopoly.

So your answer is? I need government to protect Me from government!

I kid you not, your sickness is simply amazing.

Here is an idea....

Deregulate the entire industry....the ISP and Cable providers. Allow anyone with the willingness and the money to create an ISP or a cable company (All in the same area) and provide service to people who want it.

But that service will STILL be at the behest of the new company, and customers will STILL have to abide by the terms of service.

Cause I'll tell you right now, I'd make a ******* killing by providing carte blanche cable service with Internet....

What you are complaining about is having to pay a premium price for premium service.

Its not their property...it may be their line so to speak but they dont own it.do you ever notice what those lines go over?public domain.

Verizon Might Already Be Throttling Your Netflix Connection And Admitting To It!

Read more: Verizon May Already Be Actively Limiting Netflix Bandwidth


Verizon May Already Be Actively Limiting Netflix Bandwidth

 

[Plasmaball]

ok, ok, I'll pretend you can learn


Co A provides the net to Co B. Co B pays Co A for this.

Co B wants more or better net, so Co A charges them for it.

Now, the fcc steps in to stop this evulness

Co A provides the net to Co B. Co B pays Co A for this.

Co B wants more or better net, so Co A charges you for it and hires lawyers to make sure the fcc can't fine them for missing something in the vast new regulations that they have to follow, and that cost will be passed onto you.

Not hypotheticals.

What actual govt regulations will make prices go up in regards to net neutrality?

I'm done pretending.

Great then maybe you will actually understand the situation, becsuse thr sbove clearly dhows you dont.

 

[emilynghiem]

Is once not enough or you want examples of repeated rape to show rape hurts?

If voter fraud happens once, is that not enough? Or do you need examples of how voter fraud hurts?

No the difference is that when Verizon decides to slow down a site it slows it for millions of people. Voter fraud is one person. I know millions is just like 1 when you squint really hard but its not

Voter fraud is not just one person, but part of a continuing pattern of political fraud.

that hurts the integrity of the democratic system, the Constitution, and people's faith
that government respects consent of the public as the basis of laws as social contracts.

the damage already done to the country, by spreading this misperception that Congress and the President can pass whatever they want as long as they get majority rule
is from a CONTINUOUS PATTERN OF FRAUD

That is selling people on the false premise that you can bypass the checks and balances and protections in the Constitution because it can be changed by majority rule.

Yes and no, you still have to go through due process, follow Constitutional procesures
AND REPRESENT THE CONSENT OF THE TAXPAYERS AND CITIZENS NOT JUST
YOUR PARTY

You can blame both sides for perpetuating this fraud

When it comes to correct abuses by enforcing the Constitution
I see more Republicans and Libertarians holding their leaders to the Constitution

All I see from Democrats and others is trying to get more votes and elections
so you can try to outvote the opposition instead of solving the reasons for objections.

Government laws are supposed to defend the process of redressing grievances.

This pattern of just trying to get votes to outnumber and overrule each other is
a fraudulent misrepresentation of the duties and process of Government.

I'm not sure how it got this bad, perhaps due to media shortcuts to sway voters
where it escalated. But all parties should be held responsible for educating their
membership base on Constitutional laws and process, and quit this habit of bullying,
thinking you can pass any law you want to by majority rule.

Voter fraud would not be an issue if laws were made constitutionally, and weren't sold to the public as "using majority rule to get whatever you want from govt."