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I found a paper that stated what sane people have been pointing out about the Global Warming accounting fiction: Global Mean Surface Temperature is MEANINGLESS

Averaging the Sahara and Greenland is for stupids; it’s like average phone numbers

I’m so old I remember when the IPCC had to start including “deep ocean” warming in their fictional dataset to make their numbers work
 
long term study of temperature stations reveal no correlation between temperature and CO2





Because CO2 is not the variable.

Greenland froze while North America thawed.

That rules out atmosphere and Sun as suspects, leaving only tectonic plate movement as a suspect.
 
Because CO2 is not the variable.

Greenland froze while North America thawed.

That rules out atmosphere and Sun as suspects, leaving only tectonic plate movement as a suspect.

Ah C'mon man! What are you a Denier?

CO2 is the driver of climate. It is known!

When JWST looks at exoplanets, the first reading it takes is "what is this exoplanet's CO2?"
 
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Ah C'mon man! What are you a Denier?

CO2 is the driver of climate. It is known!

When JWST looks at exoplanets, the first reading it takes is "what is this exoplanet's CO2?"



Mars and Pluto demonstrate that as a planet warms, its surface air pressure rises.

Earth surface air pressure not rising = Earth not warming = Earth not experiencing an ongoing net ice melt


which helps to explain why they cannot show us one single photo of "ocean rise."
 
Mars and Pluto demonstrate that as a planet warms, its surface air pressure rises.

Earth surface air pressure not rising = Earth not warming = Earth not experiencing an ongoing net ice melt


which helps to explain why they cannot show us one single photo of "ocean rise."
Increased pressure increases temperature
 
I found a paper that stated what sane people have been pointing out about the Global Warming accounting fiction: Global Mean Surface Temperature is MEANINGLESS

Averaging the Sahara and Greenland is for stupids; it’s like average phone numbers

I’m so old I remember when the IPCC had to start including “deep ocean” warming in their fictional dataset to make their numbers work


The average phone number is five billion ... ha ha ha ha ha ...

Temperature averages help us plan ... we want to know when the best time of year to visit ... er ... Greenland or the Sahara ... okay, some temperature averages are meaningless, but not all ... climate is what we expect, weather is what we actually get ...

I suspect your methodology is flawed ... just averaging Greenland and the Sahara together wouldn't necessarily have any meaning ... average all the temperature readings across the entire globe would be better ... NOAA provides the gradients they use to infill the dataset to get their results ...

Even if we trust the results are accurate, and I do think they are accurate, what meaning do they have? ... well, I use these results to claim global warming is trivial and safely ignored, there's far better reasons to curtail our fossil fuel use ... like defunding Hamas and ISIS and Venezuela drug gangs ...

You want to know what's meaningful ... barometric pressure and wind right now ... ask any pilot ... average pressure is 1013 millibars and average wind is ... [giggle] ... zero !!! ... now there's meaningless for ya ...
 
Mars and Pluto demonstrate that as a planet warms, its surface air pressure rises.

Earth surface air pressure not rising = Earth not warming = Earth not experiencing an ongoing net ice melt


which helps to explain why they cannot show us one single photo of "ocean rise."

Surface air pressure is DEFINED as weight per unit area ... which is why we use units of FORCE ... not mass ...

1 pascal of pressure = 1 newton of force per square meter of area ... Physics 101 ...
 
Surface air pressure is DEFINED as weight per unit area ... which is why we use units of FORCE ... not mass ...

1 pascal of pressure = 1 newton of force per square meter of area ... Physics 101 ...


and that force increases as a planet, the whole planet, warms.

Sincerely

Earth
Mars
Pluto
 
and that force increases as a planet, the whole planet, warms.

Sincerely

Earth
Mars
Pluto

No ... silly ... Newton's 2nd Law of Motion ...

Kitchen counter experiment ... try side-by-side siphoning of hot and cold water ... the rate is the same because the pressure is the same ... thus demonstrating temperature doesn't change pressure ... q.e.d. ...
 
temperature doesn't change pressure


LOL!!!

really...

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I found a paper that stated what sane people have been pointing out about the Global Warming accounting fiction: Global Mean Surface Temperature is MEANINGLESS

Averaging the Sahara and Greenland is for stupids; it’s like average phone numbers

I’m so old I remember when the IPCC had to start including “deep ocean” warming in their fictional dataset to make their numbers work

You’re mixing rhetorical analogies, selective anecdotes, and outright false premises, then declaring the entire field meaningless when the real problem is you don't actually understand it.

GMST is not average phone numbers. It is a physically meaningful state variable for an energy balance system. Climate is governed by conservation of energy, how much radiative energy enters the Earth system and how much leaves. GMST tracks the integrated thermal response of the surface to changes in radiative forcing. No one claims it describes local experience; it describes the global heat content trend. They use averages for systems with spatial variability all the time. Rejecting GMST is equivalent to rejecting thermodynamics as a modeling framework.

The claim that the IPCC “added deep ocean warming to make the numbers work” is simply false. The ocean was measured because basic physics predicts it absorbs most excess heat, and observations confirm it. Over 90% of the additional energy from greenhouse forcing goes into the oceans, not the atmosphere. This has been independently measured through multiple means. Excluding the ocean would mean ignoring most of the energy in the system.

“Last interglacial Greenland was 8°C warmer” does not refute modern warming; it confirms climate sensitivity. The Eemian had higher summer insolation in the northern hemisphere due to orbital forcing and CO2 around ~280–300 ppm. Global temperature was only ~1–2C warmer than preindustrial, yet Greenland experienced strong regional amplification. That’s exactly what climate physics predicts, small global forcing, large polar response due to feedbacks. You’re confusing regional anomalies with global means.

“Long-term station data show no correlation between CO2 and temperature” is demonstrably false. Every major independent dataset shows the same multi decadal warming trend tracking rising greenhouse forcing. The only way to get “no correlation” is to cherry pick short time windows, specific regions, or non peer reviewed blogs like Electroverse that systematically filter out inconvenient data.

You're rejecting system level variables, global integration, energy accounting, and replacing physical theory with anecdotes and selective cold records. Climate science is not built on “mean temperatures because vibes.” It’s built on radiative transfer, conservation of energy, and empirical measurements across independent observing systems. Your post doesn’t challenge that framework; it just ignores it.
 
It's ALL about Ocean Temperatures.

Weather affects the daily air temperature.
Which means very little, as daily temperature can change by 30+ degrees in a 24 hour period.

Ocean temperatures........take years to change even 1° C.

When the Ocean temperatures change and organisms migrate to new territories, then THAT IS WORTH FOLLOWING.
 
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Because CO2 is not the variable.

Greenland froze while North America thawed.

That rules out atmosphere and Sun as suspects, leaving only tectonic plate movement as a suspect.
and that force increases as a planet, the whole planet, warms.

Sincerely

Earth
Mars
Pluto
when a planet with an atmosphere warms, its surface air pressure rises.

Sincerely,

Mars
Pluto
Earth
This is a chain of category errors, not an argument. “Greenland froze while North America thawed” does not rule out the atmosphere or the Sun. It demonstrates that climate is spatially heterogeneous. Regional differences are exactly what you expect in a system governed by atmospheric and ocean circulation, which redistribute heat unevenly. That observation presupposes atmospheric forcing; it doesn’t eliminate it. Tectonic plate motion operates on millions of years, so it cannot explain glacial interglacial cycles on 20k–100k year timescales, let alone modern warming over decades. You’re trying to explain a fast, energy balance system with a mechanism that moves at geological crawl speed.

The Mars/Pluto pressure analogy is simply wrong physics. On Mars, surface pressure changes because CO2 literally freezes and sublimates. The atmosphere itself is the ice cap. Earth’s atmosphere is dominated by N2 and O2, which do not condense at Earth temperatures, so warming does not imply rising surface pressure. Earth warming is an energy imbalance problem, not a mass of atmosphere problem, and that energy is observed going primarily into the oceans. That’s why we directly measure rising ocean heat content, shrinking land ice, and global sea level rise of ~3–4 mm/year from satellites. “Pressure isn’t rising so Earth isn’t warming” is just a misunderstanding of what is actually being conserved in the climate system.
 
You’re mixing rhetorical analogies, selective anecdotes, and outright false premises, then declaring the entire field meaningless when the real problem is you don't actually understand it.

GMST is not average phone numbers. It is a physically meaningful state variable for an energy balance system. Climate is governed by conservation of energy, how much radiative energy enters the Earth system and how much leaves. GMST tracks the integrated thermal response of the surface to changes in radiative forcing. No one claims it describes local experience; it describes the global heat content trend. They use averages for systems with spatial variability all the time. Rejecting GMST is equivalent to rejecting thermodynamics as a modeling framework.

The claim that the IPCC “added deep ocean warming to make the numbers work” is simply false. The ocean was measured because basic physics predicts it absorbs most excess heat, and observations confirm it. Over 90% of the additional energy from greenhouse forcing goes into the oceans, not the atmosphere. This has been independently measured through multiple means. Excluding the ocean would mean ignoring most of the energy in the system.

“Last interglacial Greenland was 8°C warmer” does not refute modern warming; it confirms climate sensitivity. The Eemian had higher summer insolation in the northern hemisphere due to orbital forcing and CO2 around ~280–300 ppm. Global temperature was only ~1–2C warmer than preindustrial, yet Greenland experienced strong regional amplification. That’s exactly what climate physics predicts, small global forcing, large polar response due to feedbacks. You’re confusing regional anomalies with global means.

“Long-term station data show no correlation between CO2 and temperature” is demonstrably false. Every major independent dataset shows the same multi decadal warming trend tracking rising greenhouse forcing. The only way to get “no correlation” is to cherry pick short time windows, specific regions, or non peer reviewed blogs like Electroverse that systematically filter out inconvenient data.

You're rejecting system level variables, global integration, energy accounting, and replacing physical theory with anecdotes and selective cold records. Climate science is not built on “mean temperatures because vibes.” It’s built on radiative transfer, conservation of energy, and empirical measurements across independent observing systems. Your post doesn’t challenge that framework; it just ignores it.
I’d respond to you but what’s the point?

You are an Environmental Fundamentalist
 
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