Given What We Know, How Can Anyone Rationally Blame the FL School Shooting on Guns?

[mikegriffith1]

Here's what we know:

* The FBI received two warnings about Cruz, one of which came after he posted a message on YouTube saying he wanted to become a "professional school shooter" last year.

* The FBI failed to investigate Cruz and did not even place him under temporary surveillance. (Too bad Cruz didn't work for the Trump campaign, hey?!)

* Cruz bought his rifle legally, and his idiot guardians let him keep it even though they knew he was troubled.

* Cruz posted a message on Instagram about wanting to kill animals, and his schoolmates knew about this.

* Cruz's schoolmates said he talked about guns a lot and that he seemed weird and troubled.

* Yet, none of the people at that school who knew these things, and other things, bothered to inform the police about them.

* Cruz's behavior was deemed so potentially dangerous that he was banned from bringing a backpack to school before he was expelled.

* The police were called to Cruz's home multiple times.

* Come to find out there was an armed deputy sheriff at the high school, but somehow he never managed to confront Cruz. Yeah, uh-huh. One can only imagine why.

Nikolas Cruz: A portrait of suspected Florida high school gunman who shot and killed 17 people

And liberals wanna blame this shooting on guns?! What if Cruz had used a car and had killed and injured the same number of students by driving over them as they were leaving school?

This was a failure of Cruz's schoolmates and teachers to inform the police about him. This was a failure of the FBI to follow up on the clear leads it received about Cruz (again, too bad he wasn't a Trump staffer). This was a failure of his legal guardians to forbid him from owning a gun in the first place. Where in the devil was that armed deputy sheriff during the shooting, and how did he not manage to even get close to Cruz, much less confront him?

By the way, did Cruz attend church regularly? Did he read the Bible regularly? Did he hang out with church-going friends? So far, he appears to have been a godless, secular, immoral, and troubled young man. How many school shooters have been devout religious people or at least morally sound people who were known to be honest and upright? ZERO.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Shooting of GOP Congressmen at a baseball park is ok, though,,,

 

[OldLady]

Here's what we know:

* The FBI received two warnings about Cruz, one of which came after he posted a message on YouTube saying he wanted to become a "professional school shooter" last year.

* The FBI failed to investigate Cruz and did not even place him under temporary surveillance. (Too bad Cruz didn't work for the Trump campaign, hey?!)

* Cruz bought his rifle legally, and his idiot guardians let him keep it even though they knew he was troubled.

* Cruz posted a message on Instagram about wanting to kill animals, and his schoolmates knew about this.

* Cruz's schoolmates said he talked about guns a lot and that he seemed weird and troubled.

* Yet, none of the people at that school who knew these things, and other things, bothered to inform the police about them.

* Cruz's behavior was deemed so potentially dangerous that he was banned from bringing a backpack to school before he was expelled.

* The police were called to Cruz's home multiple times.

* Come to find out there was an armed deputy sheriff at the high school, but somehow he never managed to confront Cruz. Yeah, uh-huh. One can only imagine why.

Nikolas Cruz: A portrait of suspected Florida high school gunman who shot and killed 17 people

And liberals wanna blame this shooting on guns?! What if Cruz had used a car and had killed and injured the same number of students by driving over them as they were leaving school?

This was a failure of Cruz's schoolmates and teachers to inform the police about him. This was a failure of the FBI to follow up on the clear leads it received about Cruz (again, too bad he wasn't a Trump staffer). This was a failure of his legal guardians to forbid him from owning a gun in the first place. Where in the devil was that armed deputy sheriff during the shooting, and how did he not manage to even get close to Cruz, much less confront him?

By the way, did Cruz attend church regularly? Did he read the Bible regularly? Did he hang out with church-going friends? So far, he appears to have been a godless, secular, immoral, and troubled young man. How many school shooters have been devout religious people or at least morally sound people who were known to be honest and upright? ZERO.

So, it's the cops' fault, schoolmates' fault, foster parents' fault, and to put a cherry on top, the result of Godlessness. Beautiful.

 

[Marion Morrison]

If what's in the OP is true, the FBI needs reworked from the ground up.

That um, Ft. Lauderdale airport shooter tried to alert the FBI on himself, they did diddly.

What do you do when someone isn't doing the job you hired them to?


You fire their ass, that's what!

 

[bodecea]

Here's what we know:

* The FBI received two warnings about Cruz, one of which came after he posted a message on YouTube saying he wanted to become a "professional school shooter" last year.

* The FBI failed to investigate Cruz and did not even place him under temporary surveillance. (Too bad Cruz didn't work for the Trump campaign, hey?!)

* Cruz bought his rifle legally, and his idiot guardians let him keep it even though they knew he was troubled.

* Cruz posted a message on Instagram about wanting to kill animals, and his schoolmates knew about this.

* Cruz's schoolmates said he talked about guns a lot and that he seemed weird and troubled.

* Yet, none of the people at that school who knew these things, and other things, bothered to inform the police about them.

* Cruz's behavior was deemed so potentially dangerous that he was banned from bringing a backpack to school before he was expelled.

* The police were called to Cruz's home multiple times.

* Come to find out there was an armed deputy sheriff at the high school, but somehow he never managed to confront Cruz. Yeah, uh-huh. One can only imagine why.

Nikolas Cruz: A portrait of suspected Florida high school gunman who shot and killed 17 people

And liberals wanna blame this shooting on guns?! What if Cruz had used a car and had killed and injured the same number of students by driving over them as they were leaving school?

This was a failure of Cruz's schoolmates and teachers to inform the police about him. This was a failure of the FBI to follow up on the clear leads it received about Cruz (again, too bad he wasn't a Trump staffer). This was a failure of his legal guardians to forbid him from owning a gun in the first place. Where in the devil was that armed deputy sheriff during the shooting, and how did he not manage to even get close to Cruz, much less confront him?

By the way, did Cruz attend church regularly? Did he read the Bible regularly? Did he hang out with church-going friends? So far, he appears to have been a godless, secular, immoral, and troubled young man. How many school shooters have been devout religious people or at least morally sound people who were known to be honest and upright? ZERO.

You're right. They were tickled to death.

 

[hazlnut]

Here's what we know:

* The FBI received two warnings about Cruz, one of which came after he posted a message on YouTube saying he wanted to become a "professional school shooter" last year.

* The FBI failed to investigate Cruz and did not even place him under temporary surveillance. (Too bad Cruz didn't work for the Trump campaign, hey?!)

* Cruz bought his rifle legally, and his idiot guardians let him keep it even though they knew he was troubled.

* Cruz posted a message on Instagram about wanting to kill animals, and his schoolmates knew about this.

* Cruz's schoolmates said he talked about guns a lot and that he seemed weird and troubled.

* Yet, none of the people at that school who knew these things, and other things, bothered to inform the police about them.

* Cruz's behavior was deemed so potentially dangerous that he was banned from bringing a backpack to school before he was expelled.

* The police were called to Cruz's home multiple times.

* Come to find out there was an armed deputy sheriff at the high school, but somehow he never managed to confront Cruz. Yeah, uh-huh. One can only imagine why.

Nikolas Cruz: A portrait of suspected Florida high school gunman who shot and killed 17 people

And liberals wanna blame this shooting on guns?! What if Cruz had used a car and had killed and injured the same number of students by driving over them as they were leaving school?

This was a failure of Cruz's schoolmates and teachers to inform the police about him. This was a failure of the FBI to follow up on the clear leads it received about Cruz (again, too bad he wasn't a Trump staffer). This was a failure of his legal guardians to forbid him from owning a gun in the first place. Where in the devil was that armed deputy sheriff during the shooting, and how did he not manage to even get close to Cruz, much less confront him?

By the way, did Cruz attend church regularly? Did he read the Bible regularly? Did he hang out with church-going friends? So far, he appears to have been a godless, secular, immoral, and troubled young man. How many school shooters have been devout religious people or at least morally sound people who were known to be honest and upright? ZERO.

No. We don't blame guns. Just like we didn't blame the planes for 9/11.

But we did take measures to tighten security, make it very difficult for terrorists to get planes filled with jet fuel. Not perfect, but made an effort. And we didn't let the travel lobby dictate what restrictions were reasonable.

 

[boedicca]

Here's what we know:

* The FBI received two warnings about Cruz, one of which came after he posted a message on YouTube saying he wanted to become a "professional school shooter" last year.

* The FBI failed to investigate Cruz and did not even place him under temporary surveillance. (Too bad Cruz didn't work for the Trump campaign, hey?!)

* Cruz bought his rifle legally, and his idiot guardians let him keep it even though they knew he was troubled.

* Cruz posted a message on Instagram about wanting to kill animals, and his schoolmates knew about this.

* Cruz's schoolmates said he talked about guns a lot and that he seemed weird and troubled.

* Yet, none of the people at that school who knew these things, and other things, bothered to inform the police about them.

* Cruz's behavior was deemed so potentially dangerous that he was banned from bringing a backpack to school before he was expelled.

* The police were called to Cruz's home multiple times.

* Come to find out there was an armed deputy sheriff at the high school, but somehow he never managed to confront Cruz. Yeah, uh-huh. One can only imagine why.

Nikolas Cruz: A portrait of suspected Florida high school gunman who shot and killed 17 people

And liberals wanna blame this shooting on guns?! What if Cruz had used a car and had killed and injured the same number of students by driving over them as they were leaving school?

This was a failure of Cruz's schoolmates and teachers to inform the police about him. This was a failure of the FBI to follow up on the clear leads it received about Cruz (again, too bad he wasn't a Trump staffer). This was a failure of his legal guardians to forbid him from owning a gun in the first place. Where in the devil was that armed deputy sheriff during the shooting, and how did he not manage to even get close to Cruz, much less confront him?

By the way, did Cruz attend church regularly? Did he read the Bible regularly? Did he hang out with church-going friends? So far, he appears to have been a godless, secular, immoral, and troubled young man. How many school shooters have been devout religious people or at least morally sound people who were known to be honest and upright? ZERO.

Yet another case of the government failing at multiple levels being used to justify curtailing the liberty of law-abiding people.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

It's the school's fault for being grossly negligent and endangering their students due to a total lack of adequate security. Schools are a killing zone for a predator, this is known and foreseeable. They must be secured, there is no other option.

 

[toobfreak]

Here's what we know:

* The FBI received two warnings about Cruz, one of which came after he posted a message on YouTube saying he wanted to become a "professional school shooter" last year.

* The FBI failed to investigate Cruz and did not even place him under temporary surveillance. (Too bad Cruz didn't work for the Trump campaign, hey?!)

* Cruz bought his rifle legally, and his idiot guardians let him keep it even though they knew he was troubled.

* Cruz posted a message on Instagram about wanting to kill animals, and his schoolmates knew about this.

* Cruz's schoolmates said he talked about guns a lot and that he seemed weird and troubled.

* Yet, none of the people at that school who knew these things, and other things, bothered to inform the police about them.

* Cruz's behavior was deemed so potentially dangerous that he was banned from bringing a backpack to school before he was expelled.

* The police were called to Cruz's home multiple times.

* Come to find out there was an armed deputy sheriff at the high school, but somehow he never managed to confront Cruz. Yeah, uh-huh. One can only imagine why.

Nikolas Cruz: A portrait of suspected Florida high school gunman who shot and killed 17 people

And liberals wanna blame this shooting on guns?! What if Cruz had used a car and had killed and injured the same number of students by driving over them as they were leaving school?

This was a failure of Cruz's schoolmates and teachers to inform the police about him. This was a failure of the FBI to follow up on the clear leads it received about Cruz (again, too bad he wasn't a Trump staffer). This was a failure of his legal guardians to forbid him from owning a gun in the first place. Where in the devil was that armed deputy sheriff during the shooting, and how did he not manage to even get close to Cruz, much less confront him?

By the way, did Cruz attend church regularly? Did he read the Bible regularly? Did he hang out with church-going friends? So far, he appears to have been a godless, secular, immoral, and troubled young man. How many school shooters have been devout religious people or at least morally sound people who were known to be honest and upright? ZERO.

Why did this require yet ANOTHER freeking thread?

 

[boedicca]

It's the school's fault for being grossly negligent and endangering their students due to a total lack of adequate security. Schools are a killing zone for a predator, this is known and foreseeable. They must be secured, there is no other option.

How on earth did this guy pass the background check to purchase a gun given what was discovered at his school?

 

[whitehall]

I recall something said about "resistance" which is a code word for organized anti Trump craziness. The kid was a left wing maniac like Hodgkinson and Paddock and the crazy "resistance" left wants to focus on guns before even knowing how many gun related laws the kid broke.

 

[OldLady]

It's the school's fault for being grossly negligent and endangering their students due to a total lack of adequate security. Schools are a killing zone for a predator, this is known and foreseeable. They must be secured, there is no other option.

Nope. There is no reason to think when you have hired security, have an armed deputy sheriff on the grounds AND have no unlocked doors except the one into the office, that you have not done enough. They have done so many red zone drills that the students knew what to do. They went above and beyond. It's a school, pupps. This is NOT supposed to happen. I don't want our children going to school in a fucking penitentiary.

 

[bodecea]

Shooting of GOP Congressmen at a baseball park is ok, though,,,

Absolutely not....why do you believe that it's ok?

 

[OldLady]

It's the school's fault for being grossly negligent and endangering their students due to a total lack of adequate security. Schools are a killing zone for a predator, this is known and foreseeable. They must be secured, there is no other option.

How on earth did this guy pass the background check to purchase a gun given what was discovered at his school?

They rely solely on what the FBI provides. The FBI doesn't look at school records or social media.

 

[bodecea]

I recall something said about "resistance" which is a code word for organized anti Trump craziness. The kid was a left wing maniac like Hodgkinson and Paddock and the crazy "resistance" left wants to focus on guns before even knowing how many gun related laws the kid broke.

That's why he was training with a white supremist group, huh?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Here's what we know:

* The FBI received two warnings about Cruz, one of which came after he posted a message on YouTube saying he wanted to become a "professional school shooter" last year.

* The FBI failed to investigate Cruz and did not even place him under temporary surveillance. (Too bad Cruz didn't work for the Trump campaign, hey?!)

* Cruz bought his rifle legally, and his idiot guardians let him keep it even though they knew he was troubled.

* Cruz posted a message on Instagram about wanting to kill animals, and his schoolmates knew about this.

* Cruz's schoolmates said he talked about guns a lot and that he seemed weird and troubled.

* Yet, none of the people at that school who knew these things, and other things, bothered to inform the police about them.

* Cruz's behavior was deemed so potentially dangerous that he was banned from bringing a backpack to school before he was expelled.

* The police were called to Cruz's home multiple times.

* Come to find out there was an armed deputy sheriff at the high school, but somehow he never managed to confront Cruz. Yeah, uh-huh. One can only imagine why.

Nikolas Cruz: A portrait of suspected Florida high school gunman who shot and killed 17 people

And liberals wanna blame this shooting on guns?! What if Cruz had used a car and had killed and injured the same number of students by driving over them as they were leaving school?

This was a failure of Cruz's schoolmates and teachers to inform the police about him. This was a failure of the FBI to follow up on the clear leads it received about Cruz (again, too bad he wasn't a Trump staffer). This was a failure of his legal guardians to forbid him from owning a gun in the first place. Where in the devil was that armed deputy sheriff during the shooting, and how did he not manage to even get close to Cruz, much less confront him?

By the way, did Cruz attend church regularly? Did he read the Bible regularly? Did he hang out with church-going friends? So far, he appears to have been a godless, secular, immoral, and troubled young man. How many school shooters have been devout religious people or at least morally sound people who were known to be honest and upright? ZERO.

Yet another case of the government failing at multiple levels being used to justify curtailing the liberty of law-abiding people.

Exactly! We're supposed to give up liberties because the government didn't do their job? Oh! I think not!

 

[Marion Morrison]

I recall something said about "resistance" which is a code word for organized anti Trump craziness. The kid was a left wing maniac like Hodgkinson and Paddock and the crazy "resistance" left wants to focus on guns before even knowing how many gun related laws the kid broke.

That's why he was training with a white supremist group, huh?

With a last name of Cruz? Hmm..Interesting theory there, sister. Care to expound on it?

Cruz is generally a Bori last name, true story.

Now Boris may be Americans, but by and large, they are not exactly white.

Matter-of-fact, In some circles, they're considered the nigga of the Latin world.

Do Mexicans work harder? Hell yes!

 

[boedicca]

It's the school's fault for being grossly negligent and endangering their students due to a total lack of adequate security. Schools are a killing zone for a predator, this is known and foreseeable. They must be secured, there is no other option.

How on earth did this guy pass the background check to purchase a gun given what was discovered at his school?

They rely solely on what the FBI provides. The FBI doesn't look at school records or social media.

The FBI has also received reports about him. But they're much too busy trying to frame Trump than to actually do their jobs these days.

 

[PredFan]

Here's what we know:

* The FBI received two warnings about Cruz, one of which came after he posted a message on YouTube saying he wanted to become a "professional school shooter" last year.

* The FBI failed to investigate Cruz and did not even place him under temporary surveillance. (Too bad Cruz didn't work for the Trump campaign, hey?!)

* Cruz bought his rifle legally, and his idiot guardians let him keep it even though they knew he was troubled.

* Cruz posted a message on Instagram about wanting to kill animals, and his schoolmates knew about this.

* Cruz's schoolmates said he talked about guns a lot and that he seemed weird and troubled.

* Yet, none of the people at that school who knew these things, and other things, bothered to inform the police about them.

* Cruz's behavior was deemed so potentially dangerous that he was banned from bringing a backpack to school before he was expelled.

* The police were called to Cruz's home multiple times.

* Come to find out there was an armed deputy sheriff at the high school, but somehow he never managed to confront Cruz. Yeah, uh-huh. One can only imagine why.

Nikolas Cruz: A portrait of suspected Florida high school gunman who shot and killed 17 people

And liberals wanna blame this shooting on guns?! What if Cruz had used a car and had killed and injured the same number of students by driving over them as they were leaving school?

This was a failure of Cruz's schoolmates and teachers to inform the police about him. This was a failure of the FBI to follow up on the clear leads it received about Cruz (again, too bad he wasn't a Trump staffer). This was a failure of his legal guardians to forbid him from owning a gun in the first place. Where in the devil was that armed deputy sheriff during the shooting, and how did he not manage to even get close to Cruz, much less confront him?

By the way, did Cruz attend church regularly? Did he read the Bible regularly? Did he hang out with church-going friends? So far, he appears to have been a godless, secular, immoral, and troubled young man. How many school shooters have been devout religious people or at least morally sound people who were known to be honest and upright? ZERO.

No. We don't blame guns. Just like we didn't blame the planes for 9/11.

But we did take measures to tighten security, make it very difficult for terrorists to get planes filled with jet fuel. Not perfect, but made an effort. And we didn't let the travel lobby dictate what restrictions were reasonable.

So take measures to tighten security in schools. but that isn't what you are implying we do is it now?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Here's what we know:

* The FBI received two warnings about Cruz, one of which came after he posted a message on YouTube saying he wanted to become a "professional school shooter" last year.

* The FBI failed to investigate Cruz and did not even place him under temporary surveillance. (Too bad Cruz didn't work for the Trump campaign, hey?!)

* Cruz bought his rifle legally, and his idiot guardians let him keep it even though they knew he was troubled.

* Cruz posted a message on Instagram about wanting to kill animals, and his schoolmates knew about this.

* Cruz's schoolmates said he talked about guns a lot and that he seemed weird and troubled.

* Yet, none of the people at that school who knew these things, and other things, bothered to inform the police about them.

* Cruz's behavior was deemed so potentially dangerous that he was banned from bringing a backpack to school before he was expelled.

* The police were called to Cruz's home multiple times.

* Come to find out there was an armed deputy sheriff at the high school, but somehow he never managed to confront Cruz. Yeah, uh-huh. One can only imagine why.

Nikolas Cruz: A portrait of suspected Florida high school gunman who shot and killed 17 people

And liberals wanna blame this shooting on guns?! What if Cruz had used a car and had killed and injured the same number of students by driving over them as they were leaving school?

This was a failure of Cruz's schoolmates and teachers to inform the police about him. This was a failure of the FBI to follow up on the clear leads it received about Cruz (again, too bad he wasn't a Trump staffer). This was a failure of his legal guardians to forbid him from owning a gun in the first place. Where in the devil was that armed deputy sheriff during the shooting, and how did he not manage to even get close to Cruz, much less confront him?

By the way, did Cruz attend church regularly? Did he read the Bible regularly? Did he hang out with church-going friends? So far, he appears to have been a godless, secular, immoral, and troubled young man. How many school shooters have been devout religious people or at least morally sound people who were known to be honest and upright? ZERO.

So, it's the cops' fault, schoolmates' fault, foster parents' fault, and to put a cherry on top, the result of Godlessness. Beautiful.

Yes, it is. They all knew what a nutjob he was and did nothing about it.