Give 'em Hell in a Hurry, Harry!

[Marc39]

"Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president.

JFK was a Zionist...

This nation, from the time of President Woodrow Wilson, has established and continued a tradition of friendship with Israel because we are committed to all free societies that seek a path to peace and honor individual right. In the prophetic spirit of Zionism all free men today look to a better world and in the experience of Zionism we know that it takes courage and perseverance and dedication to achieve it.

 

[Marc39]

"Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president.

ifamericansknew.o

BOGUS website.

 

[georgephillip]

"Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president.

ifamericansknew.o

BOGUS website.

"Unfortunately, the hurried recognition of Israel as a state has resulted in forty-five years of murderous confusion, and the destruction of what Zionist fellow travellers thought would be a pluralistic state – home to its native population of Muslims, Christians and Jews, as well as a future home to peaceful European and American Jewish immigrants, even the ones who affected to believe that the great realtor in the sky had given them, in perpetuity, the lands of Judea and Samaria.

"Since many of the immigrants were good socialists in Europe, we assumed that they would not allow the new state to become a theocracy, and that the native Palestinians could live with them as equals.

"This was not meant to be.

"I shall not rehearse the wars and alarms of that unhappy region.

"But I will say that the hasty invention of Israel has poisoned the political and intellectual life of the USA, Israel's unlikely patron."

Now, prove Gore Vidal is BOGUS.

Jewish History, Jewish Religion

 

[Marc39]

"Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president.

ifamericansknew.o

BOGUS website.

"Unfortunately, the hurried recognition of Israel as a state has resulted in forty-five years of murderous confusion

The UN ranks Israel among the 15 best countries to live in (out of 170 countries) in the world and with the highest qualities of life, emphasizing political and cultural freedom and equality in education, healthcare, life expectancy and income, ahead of England, Spain, Greece, Italy, Finland, Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg and Austria

Statistics | Human Development Reports (HDR) | United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)

Human Development is a development paradigm that is about much more than the rise or fall of national incomes. It is about creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests. People are the real wealth of nations. Development is thus about expanding the choices people have to lead lives that they value. And it is thus about much more than economic growth, which is only a means —if a very important one —of enlarging people’s choices.
Fundamental to enlarging these choices is building human capabilities —the range of things that people can do or be in life. The most basic capabilities for human development are to lead long and healthy lives, to be knowledgeable, to have access to the resources needed for a decent standard of living and to be able to participate in the life of the community. Without these, many choices are simply not available, and many opportunities in life remain inaccessible

 

[editec]

Much as with elections WARS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Was there a place called Palestine?

Of course there was. Look at any old map of the region.

Is there a place now called Palestine?

No.

I know that both the Isreali and Palestinian partisans here are both attempting to find MORAL justification for the existence (or destruction) of the state we now call Isreal, but honestly boys, that is a dead end.

No nation is moral. Seeking to pin such a label on ANY nation is absurd

Nation states are amoral contrivences of the winners of wars.

We can pretend (if it amuses us) that GOD was on the side of the winners.

And that will be very comforting only as long as the side you're on is the winner.

But surely SOME of you must have, at one time or the other, gotten your asses kicked unfairly.

Do you tell yourselves that GOD wasn't on your side?

Of course not (Jesus I hope not for your sakes, at least!)

It's time for those of you who are not actually completely insane to get the whole GODand morality issue out of the issue of geopolitics.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Much as with elections WARS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Was there a place called Palestine?

Of course there was. Look at any old map of the region.

Is there a place now called Palestine?

No.

I know that both the Isreali and Palestinian partisans here are both attempting to find MORAL justification for the existence (or destruction) of the state we now call Isreal, but honestly boys, that is a dead end.

No nation is moral. Seeking to pin such a label on ANY nation is absurd

Nation states are amoral contrivences of the winners of wars.

We can pretend (if it amuses us) that GOD was on the side of the winners.

And that will be very comforting only as long as the side you're on is the winner.

But surely SOME of you must have, at one time or the other, gotten your asses kicked unfairly.

Do you tell yourselves that GOD wasn't on your side?

Of course not (Jesus I hope not for your sakes, at least!)

It's time for those of you who are not actually completely insane to get the whole GODand morality issue out of the issue of geopolitics.

This is not a religious conflict, however it will be a sad day when humans abandon their moral compass.

 

[Marc39]

Much as with elections WARS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Was there a place called Palestine?

Of course there was. Look at any old map of the region.

Is there a place now called Palestine?

No.

I know that both the Isreali and Palestinian partisans here are both attempting to find MORAL justification for the existence (or destruction) of the state we now call Isreal, but honestly boys, that is a dead end.

No nation is moral. Seeking to pin such a label on ANY nation is absurd

Nation states are amoral contrivences of the winners of wars.

We can pretend (if it amuses us) that GOD was on the side of the winners.

And that will be very comforting only as long as the side you're on is the winner.

But surely SOME of you must have, at one time or the other, gotten your asses kicked unfairly.

Do you tell yourselves that GOD wasn't on your side?

Of course not (Jesus I hope not for your sakes, at least!)

It's time for those of you who are not actually completely insane to get the whole GODand morality issue out of the issue of geopolitics.

This is not a religious conflict, however it will be a sad day when humans abandon their moral compass.

It is a religious conflict, dummy.

Quran 9:29...

Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah[] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Much as with elections WARS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Was there a place called Palestine?

Of course there was. Look at any old map of the region.

Is there a place now called Palestine?

No.

I know that both the Isreali and Palestinian partisans here are both attempting to find MORAL justification for the existence (or destruction) of the state we now call Isreal, but honestly boys, that is a dead end.

No nation is moral. Seeking to pin such a label on ANY nation is absurd

Nation states are amoral contrivences of the winners of wars.

We can pretend (if it amuses us) that GOD was on the side of the winners.

And that will be very comforting only as long as the side you're on is the winner.

But surely SOME of you must have, at one time or the other, gotten your asses kicked unfairly.

Do you tell yourselves that GOD wasn't on your side?

Of course not (Jesus I hope not for your sakes, at least!)

It's time for those of you who are not actually completely insane to get the whole GODand morality issue out of the issue of geopolitics.

This is not a religious conflict, however it will be a sad day when humans abandon their moral compass.

It is a religious conflict, dummy.

Quran 9:29...

Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah[] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The standard terrorist propaganda crap states that it is the Muslims who attack Christians and Jews. In Israel it is the Jews who attack Christians and Muslims.

 

[Marc39]

This is not a religious conflict, however it will be a sad day when humans abandon their moral compass.

It is a religious conflict, dummy.

Quran 9:29...

Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah[] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The standard terrorist propaganda crap states that it is the Muslims who attack Christians and Jews. In Israel it is the Jews who attack Christians and Muslims.

The Quran is propaganda, dummy?

How about the sacred sunnah of Muhammad, is that propaganda, too?....

Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:177...

The Day of Judgment will not have come until you fight with the Jews, and the stones and the trees behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!

You know less than zero about the subject matter. Go play in the sandbox.

 

[Marc39]

This is not a religious conflict, however it will be a sad day when humans abandon their moral compass.

It is a religious conflict, dummy.

Quran 9:29...

Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah[] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The standard terrorist propaganda crap states that it is the Muslims who attack Christians and Jews. In Israel it is the Jews who attack Christians and Muslims.

Christians who have established an embassy in Jerusalem seem to know better...

International Christian Embassy, Jerusalem...
Today, the ICEJ stands at the forefront of a growing mainstream movement of Christians worldwide who share a love and concern for Israel and an understanding of the biblical significance of the modern ingathering of the Jews to the land of their forefathers.

For nearly 30 years the ICEJ has stood by Israel, showing our support in a variety of ways, both in the land and around the world. We administer several aid projects, engage in advocacy for Israel, and assist in aliyah to the Jewish homeland

The ICEJ educates Christians all over the world about Israel's unique calling, political situation and social challenges. We are probably best known for annually hosting the Christian celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles that draws thousands of pilgrims to Jerusalem for teaching, worship and prayer. We also undertake speaking tours and conferences around the world and have an active young adults program, Grafted, to reach the next generation of Christian leaders

The ICEJ is called to confront the rising tide of hostility that threatens the nation of Israel and the Jewish community worldwide. Islamic extremism is not just a threat to Israel, but is responsible for the persecution of Christians and oppression of women throughout the Middle East. We are confronting anti-Semitism worldwide through advocacy, accurate news reports and education. We are reaching out in support to beleagured Palestinian Christians and African refugees who have fled Muslim warlords

International Christian Embassy Jerusalem: About us

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is a religious conflict, dummy.

Quran 9:29...

The standard terrorist propaganda crap states that it is the Muslims who attack Christians and Jews. In Israel it is the Jews who attack Christians and Muslims.

Christians who have established an embassy in Jerusalem seem to know better...

International Christian Embassy, Jerusalem...
Today, the ICEJ stands at the forefront of a growing mainstream movement of Christians worldwide who share a love and concern for Israel and an understanding of the biblical significance of the modern ingathering of the Jews to the land of their forefathers.

For nearly 30 years the ICEJ has stood by Israel, showing our support in a variety of ways, both in the land and around the world. We administer several aid projects, engage in advocacy for Israel, and assist in aliyah to the Jewish homeland

The ICEJ educates Christians all over the world about Israel's unique calling, political situation and social challenges. We are probably best known for annually hosting the Christian celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles that draws thousands of pilgrims to Jerusalem for teaching, worship and prayer. We also undertake speaking tours and conferences around the world and have an active young adults program, Grafted, to reach the next generation of Christian leaders

The ICEJ is called to confront the rising tide of hostility that threatens the nation of Israel and the Jewish community worldwide. Islamic extremism is not just a threat to Israel, but is responsible for the persecution of Christians and oppression of women throughout the Middle East. We are confronting anti-Semitism worldwide through advocacy, accurate news reports and education. We are reaching out in support to beleagured Palestinian Christians and African refugees who have fled Muslim warlords

International Christian Embassy Jerusalem: About us

What do those fake Christians say about Israel bulldozing Christian home to move in settlers?

 

[Trajan]

JFK apparently thought so.
Gore Vidal found it credible.
Sounds like a likely example of the serene corruption of American politics to me.
What about you?

apparently? No offense, JFK may be a golden child, but he was dirty as hell, we KNOW he was. Maybe he was projecting.

Gore Vidal? Sorry...........

Harry Truman? No.If you have read his statement on the matter, I find it credible and heartfelt.

and yes I know all about Pendergast etc.

Since I believe all politicians are dirty, you'll get no argument from me about JFK's integrity. If Harry took the $2 million and if JFK had been as poor as Harry, I have zero doubt he would have done the same.

I am not so sure about Kennedy's alleged transformation from Cold Warrior to Peacemaker as outlined in Edward Curtin's review of James Douglass's 2008 book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters.

Briefly, Douglas argues the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis scared Kennedy and Nikita Khrushchev into abandoning the cold war.

I was alive at that time and can remember only one other period when Americans were paying hourly attention to politics and that was the week after 911.

You mention a statement Harry Truman made that you found credible and heartfelt. Did that statement directly address the $2 million Zionist bribe accusation?

JFK and the Unspeakable:

no george it didn't. please.


as far as more JFK conspiracy issues, I suggest Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Vincent Bugliosi.


wanna hear my personal conspiracy theory? it is that this fits the lefts platform that the gov. (though they can be trusted to run peoples lives) is ultimately evil most especially the military and the cia, it cannot be that a sympathetic acolyte (like them) of marx and lenin killed JFK, it simply has to be a plot.

 

[Marc39]

The standard terrorist propaganda crap states that it is the Muslims who attack Christians and Jews. In Israel it is the Jews who attack Christians and Muslims.

Christians who have established an embassy in Jerusalem seem to know better...

International Christian Embassy, Jerusalem...
Today, the ICEJ stands at the forefront of a growing mainstream movement of Christians worldwide who share a love and concern for Israel and an understanding of the biblical significance of the modern ingathering of the Jews to the land of their forefathers.

For nearly 30 years the ICEJ has stood by Israel, showing our support in a variety of ways, both in the land and around the world. We administer several aid projects, engage in advocacy for Israel, and assist in aliyah to the Jewish homeland

The ICEJ educates Christians all over the world about Israel's unique calling, political situation and social challenges. We are probably best known for annually hosting the Christian celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles that draws thousands of pilgrims to Jerusalem for teaching, worship and prayer. We also undertake speaking tours and conferences around the world and have an active young adults program, Grafted, to reach the next generation of Christian leaders

The ICEJ is called to confront the rising tide of hostility that threatens the nation of Israel and the Jewish community worldwide. Islamic extremism is not just a threat to Israel, but is responsible for the persecution of Christians and oppression of women throughout the Middle East. We are confronting anti-Semitism worldwide through advocacy, accurate news reports and education. We are reaching out in support to beleagured Palestinian Christians and African refugees who have fled Muslim warlords

International Christian Embassy Jerusalem: About us

What do those fake Christians say about Israel bulldozing Christian home to move in settlers?

Obviously, you're delusional as reflected in the statement of moral support of the Christian Embassy in Jerusalem...

International Christian Embassy, Jerusalem...
Today, the ICEJ stands at the forefront of a growing mainstream movement of Christians worldwide who share a love and concern for Israel and an understanding of the biblical significance of the modern ingathering of the Jews to the land of their forefathers.

For nearly 30 years the ICEJ has stood by Israel, showing our support in a variety of ways, both in the land and around the world. We administer several aid projects, engage in advocacy for Israel, and assist in aliyah to the Jewish homeland

The ICEJ educates Christians all over the world about Israel's unique calling, political situation and social challenges. We are probably best known for annually hosting the Christian celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles that draws thousands of pilgrims to Jerusalem for teaching, worship and prayer. We also undertake speaking tours and conferences around the world and have an active young adults program, Grafted, to reach the next generation of Christian leaders

The ICEJ is called to confront the rising tide of hostility that threatens the nation of Israel and the Jewish community worldwide. Islamic extremism is not just a threat to Israel, but is responsible for the persecution of Christians and oppression of women throughout the Middle East. We are confronting anti-Semitism worldwide through advocacy, accurate news reports and education. We are reaching out in support to beleagured Palestinian Christians and African refugees who have fled Muslim warlords

International Christian Embassy Jerusalem: About us

 

[Marc39]

This is not a religious conflict, however it will be a sad day when humans abandon their moral compass.

It is a religious conflict, dummy.

Quran 9:29...

Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah[] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The standard terrorist propaganda crap states that it is the Muslims who attack Christians and Jews. In Israel it is the Jews who attack Christians and Muslims.

The UN, which is controlled by the Islamic bloc, doesn't see it that way...

The UN ranks Israel among the 15 best countries to live in (out of 170 countries) in the world and with the highest qualities of life, emphasizing political and cultural freedom and equality in education, healthcare, life expectancy and income, ahead of England, Spain, Greece, Italy, Finland, Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg and Austria

Statistics | Human Development Reports (HDR) | United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)

Human Development is a development paradigm that is about much more than the rise or fall of national incomes. It is about creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests. People are the real wealth of nations. Development is thus about expanding the choices people have to lead lives that they value. And it is thus about much more than economic growth, which is only a means —if a very important one —of enlarging people’s choices.
Fundamental to enlarging these choices is building human capabilities —the range of things that people can do or be in life. The most basic capabilities for human development are to lead long and healthy lives, to be knowledgeable, to have access to the resources needed for a decent standard of living and to be able to participate in the life of the community. Without these, many choices are simply not available, and many opportunities in life remain inaccessible

 

[Marc39]

Much as with elections WARS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Was there a place called Palestine?

Of course there was. Look at any old map of the region.

Of course you have no clue what you're talking about.

No map from the Biblical era features "Palestine". Because, Palestine has no Biblical significance, it was invented by the Romans in 135 AD, 1500 years after Jews had already been living there, as anti-Jewish propaganda, based on the Philistines who were Jewish enemies but who were Aegean, not Semitic.

The correct historical geographic names of the land are Canaan and Judah. "Jewish" is derived from Judah.

Palestine doesn't exist in the Hebrew Bible nor the Christian Bible nor the Quran.

Palestine does not exist in any ancient historical documents.

Furthermore, Arabs never recognized Palestine. The land was always southern Syria.

Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...

Official Roman usage of the name Palestine to designate the area of the former Jewish kingdom seems to date from after the Jewish risings and their suppression. The Emperor Hadrian made a determined attempt to stamp out the embers not only of the revolt but of Jewish nationahood and statehood.

It would seem that the name Judaea was abolished at the same time as Jerusalem and the country renamed Palestina or Syria-Palestina with the same intention to obliterate its historic Jewish identity.

For Arabs, the term Palestine was unacceptable. For Muslims it was alien and irrelevant The main objection for them was that it seemed to assert a separate entity which politically conscious Arabs in Palestine and elsewhere denied. For them there was no such thing as a country called Palestine. The region which the British called Palestine was merely a separated part of a larger whole [Syria]. For a long time organized and articulate Arab political opinion was virtually unanimous on this point.

Now, you know.

 

[georgephillip]

Much as with elections WARS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Was there a place called Palestine?

Of course there was. Look at any old map of the region.

Is there a place now called Palestine?

No.

I know that both the Isreali and Palestinian partisans here are both attempting to find MORAL justification for the existence (or destruction) of the state we now call Isreal, but honestly boys, that is a dead end.

No nation is moral. Seeking to pin such a label on ANY nation is absurd

Nation states are amoral contrivences of the winners of wars.

We can pretend (if it amuses us) that GOD was on the side of the winners.

And that will be very comforting only as long as the side you're on is the winner.

But surely SOME of you must have, at one time or the other, gotten your asses kicked unfairly.

Do you tell yourselves that GOD wasn't on your side?

Of course not (Jesus I hope not for your sakes, at least!)

It's time for those of you who are not actually completely insane to get the whole GODand morality issue out of the issue of geopolitics.

Agreed.

"Nation states are amoral contrivances of the winners of wars."

Don't we still have to morally account for the degree of racism, discrimination and xenophobia in a state like Nazi Germany or White South Africa or Jim Crow USA?

And take whatever actions are required to reveal and eliminate such states?

If "actual politics is an interaction between realistic considerations (whether valid or mistaken, moral or immoral in my view) and ideological influences (and) (t)he latter tend to be more influential the less they are discussed and 'dragged into the light', (then) any form of racism, discrimination and xenophobia becomes more potent and politically influential if it is taken for granted by the society which indulges in it."

Personally, I believe racism, discrimination and xenophobia run rampant in the Jewish State of Israel and deserve the same extinction the Nazis, South Africans, and segregationists received.

Jewish History, Jewish Religion

 

[Marc39]

Much as with elections WARS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Was there a place called Palestine?

Of course there was. Look at any old map of the region.

Is there a place now called Palestine?

No.

I know that both the Isreali and Palestinian partisans here are both attempting to find MORAL justification for the existence (or destruction) of the state we now call Isreal, but honestly boys, that is a dead end.

No nation is moral. Seeking to pin such a label on ANY nation is absurd

Nation states are amoral contrivences of the winners of wars.

We can pretend (if it amuses us) that GOD was on the side of the winners.

And that will be very comforting only as long as the side you're on is the winner.

But surely SOME of you must have, at one time or the other, gotten your asses kicked unfairly.

Do you tell yourselves that GOD wasn't on your side?

Of course not (Jesus I hope not for your sakes, at least!)

It's time for those of you who are not actually completely insane to get the whole GODand morality issue out of the issue of geopolitics.

Agreed.

"Nation states are amoral contrivances of the winners of wars."

Don't we still have to morally account for the degree of racism, discrimination and xenophobia in a state like Nazi Germany or White South Africa or Jim Crow USA?

And take whatever actions are required to reveal and eliminate such states?

If "actual politics is an interaction between realistic considerations (whether valid or mistaken, moral or immoral in my view) and ideological influences (and) (t)he latter tend to be more influential the less they are discussed and 'dragged into the light', (then) any form of racism, discrimination and xenophobia becomes more potent and politically influential if it is taken for granted by the society which indulges in it."

Personally, I believe racism, discrimination and xenophobia run rampant in the Jewish State of Israel and deserve the same extinction the Nazis, South Africans, and segregationists received.

Georgie, personally, you're as dumb as a wall.

The UN ranks Israel among the 15 best countries to live in (out of 170 countries) in the world and with the highest qualities of life, emphasizing political and cultural freedom and equality in education, healthcare, life expectancy and income, ahead of England, Spain, Greece, Italy, Finland, Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg and Austria

Statistics | Human Development Reports (HDR) | United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)

Human Development is a development paradigm that is about much more than the rise or fall of national incomes. It is about creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests. People are the real wealth of nations. Development is thus about expanding the choices people have to lead lives that they value. And it is thus about much more than economic growth, which is only a means —if a very important one —of enlarging people’s choices.
Fundamental to enlarging these choices is building human capabilities —the range of things that people can do or be in life. The most basic capabilities for human development are to lead long and healthy lives, to be knowledgeable, to have access to the resources needed for a decent standard of living and to be able to participate in the life of the community. Without these, many choices are simply not available, and many opportunities in life remain inaccessible.

 

[Marc39]

Much as with elections WARS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

Was there a place called Palestine?

Of course there was. Look at any old map of the region.

Is there a place now called Palestine?

No.

I know that both the Isreali and Palestinian partisans here are both attempting to find MORAL justification for the existence (or destruction) of the state we now call Isreal, but honestly boys, that is a dead end.

No nation is moral. Seeking to pin such a label on ANY nation is absurd

Nation states are amoral contrivences of the winners of wars.

We can pretend (if it amuses us) that GOD was on the side of the winners.

And that will be very comforting only as long as the side you're on is the winner.

But surely SOME of you must have, at one time or the other, gotten your asses kicked unfairly.

Do you tell yourselves that GOD wasn't on your side?

Of course not (Jesus I hope not for your sakes, at least!)

It's time for those of you who are not actually completely insane to get the whole GODand morality issue out of the issue of geopolitics.

Agreed.

"Nation states are amoral contrivances of the winners of wars."

Don't we still have to morally account for the degree of racism, discrimination and xenophobia in a state like Nazi Germany or White South Africa or Jim Crow USA?

And take whatever actions are required to reveal and eliminate such states?

If "actual politics is an interaction between realistic considerations (whether valid or mistaken, moral or immoral in my view) and ideological influences (and) (t)he latter tend to be more influential the less they are discussed and 'dragged into the light', (then) any form of racism, discrimination and xenophobia becomes more potent and politically influential if it is taken for granted by the society which indulges in it."

Personally, I believe racism, discrimination and xenophobia run rampant in the Jewish State of Israel and deserve the same extinction the Nazis, South Africans, and segregationists received.

Georgie, personally, you're a clueless twit.

What About The Arab Apartheid?
by Khaled Abu Toameh

Ironically, the Arab citizens of Israel enjoy more rights in the Jewish state than their Palestinian brothers do in any Arab country.

And is it not ironic that the government of Binyamin Netanyahu is doing more to boost the Palestinian economy in the West Bank than any Arab country? .

Perhaps the time has come to start paying attention to the plight of the Palestinians in the Arab world.

How come the Lebanese students who recently talked about Israel's "war crimes" in the Gaza Strip during Israel Apartheid Week on many North American college campuses had nothing to say about the fact that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been massacred in Lebanon over the past four decades? Dozens of refugees were killed and hundreds wounded in the three-month offensive that also destroyed thousands of houses inside the refugee camp. Reporters said it was the worst internal violence in Lebanon since the civil war that hit the country between 1975-1990. And just three years ago, the Lebanese Army used heavy artillery to bomb the Nahr-al-Bared refugee camp in north Lebanon.

Yet who has ever heard of a United Nations resolution condemning Syria or Lebanon for committing horrific atrocities or discriminating against the Palestinians? The Lebanese, Syrian and Jordanian students and professors who took part in the anti-Israel events on campuses have clearly "forgotten" that their regimes probably have more Palestinian blood on their hands than Israel. In the early 1970s, the Jordanians slaughtered thousands of Palestinians in what has become known as Black September. Can somebody point to one United Nations resolution condemning that massacre?

And where was the United Nations when Kuwait and several Gulf countries expelled more than 400,000 Palestinians in one week? The exodus took place in March 1991, after Kuwait was liberated from Iraqi occupation. Ironically, the first week of March is being celebrated on university campuses as Israel Apartheid Week with no reference to the mass expulsion of Palestinians from the Gulf. Although there are more than 400,000 Palestinians living in Lebanon in twelve refugee camps -- which human rights organizations and Palestinians say have the worst living conditions of all the refugee camps in the Middle East -- as in most of the Arab countries, these Palestinians have been assigned the status of "foreigners," a fact which has deprived them of health care, social services, property ownership and education.

Even worse, Lebanese law bans Palestinians from working in many jobs. This means that Palestinians cannot work in the public services and institutions run by the government such as schools and hospitals. Unlike Israel, Lebanese public hospitals do not admit Palestinians for medical treatment or surgery. Can somebody imagine the outcry of the international community if Israel's parliament, the Knesset, passed a law today prohibiting Arabs from working in certain professions or receiving medical treatment? The same applies to Palestinians living in most of the Arab countries. While Israel has never stripped its Arab citizens of their citizenship, Jordan has begun revoking the Jordanian citizenship of thousands of its citizens who are of Palestinian descent. Jordan was the only Arab country that has ever granted Palestinian Jordanian citizenship. In recent years, however, the Jordanians appear to have regretted that decision. As for the rest of the Arab countries, Palestinians can only dream of obtaining citizenship. It is almost impossible to find a Palestinian with Egyptian or Moroccan or Kuwaiti citizenship.

What about the Arab apartheid? by Khaled Abu Toameh Israel, belegerd volk, cultuur en natie

 

[Marc39]

Personally, I believe racism, discrimination and xenophobia run rampant in the Jewish State of Israel and deserve the same extinction the Nazis, South Africans, and segregationists received.

Georgie, personally, your ugly head is up your fat, uneducated ass.

Wall Street Journal...
"The Arab World's Dirty Secret".

As Israelis and Palestinians prepare to visit Washington next week to begin direct peace talks, it's worth recalling what refugees the Palestinians are—in Arab countries.

Last week, Lebanon's parliament amended a clause in a 1946 law that had been used to bar the 400,000 Palestinians living in the country from taking any but the most menial jobs. "I was born in Lebanon and I have never known Palestine," the AP quoted one 45-year-old Palestinian who works as a cab driver. "We want to live like Lebanese. We are human beings and we need civil rights."

The dirty little secret of the Arab world is that it has consistently treated Palestinians living in its midst with contempt and often violence. In 1970, Jordan expelled thousands of Palestinian militants after Yasser Arafat attempted a coup against King Hussein. In 1991, Kuwait expelled some 400,000 Palestinians working in the country as punishment for Arafat's support for Saddam Hussein in the first Gulf War.

For six decades, Palestinians have been forced by Arab governments to live in often squalid conditions so that they could serve as propaganda tools against Israel, even as millions of refugees elsewhere have been repatriated and absorbed by their host countries. This month's vote still falls short of giving Palestinian Lebanese the rights they deserve, including citizenship. But it's a reminder of the cynicism of so much Arab pro-Palestinian propaganda, and the credulity of those who fall for it.

The Huffington Riposte: WHO ARE THE GREATEST PERSECUTORS OF THE PALESTINIANS? NOT ISRAEL, IT IS THE REST OF THE ARAB WORLD

 

[georgephillip]

apparently? No offense, JFK may be a golden child, but he was dirty as hell, we KNOW he was. Maybe he was projecting.

Gore Vidal? Sorry...........

Harry Truman? No.If you have read his statement on the matter, I find it credible and heartfelt.

and yes I know all about Pendergast etc.

Since I believe all politicians are dirty, you'll get no argument from me about JFK's integrity. If Harry took the $2 million and if JFK had been as poor as Harry, I have zero doubt he would have done the same.

I am not so sure about Kennedy's alleged transformation from Cold Warrior to Peacemaker as outlined in Edward Curtin's review of James Douglass's 2008 book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters.

Briefly, Douglas argues the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis scared Kennedy and Nikita Khrushchev into abandoning the cold war.

I was alive at that time and can remember only one other period when Americans were paying hourly attention to politics and that was the week after 911.

You mention a statement Harry Truman made that you found credible and heartfelt. Did that statement directly address the $2 million Zionist bribe accusation?

JFK and the Unspeakable:

no george it didn't. please.


as far as more JFK conspiracy issues, I suggest Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy by Vincent Bugliosi.


wanna hear my personal conspiracy theory? it is that this fits the lefts platform that the gov. (though they can be trusted to run peoples lives) is ultimately evil most especially the military and the cia, it cannot be that a sympathetic acolyte (like them) of marx and lenin killed JFK, it simply has to be a plot.

Vincent Bugliosi is one of the smartest people I've come across. As I recall he was voted president of his Law Class (UCLA) yet elected to serve as a District Attorney instead of taking the big money he could have earned as a defense attorney.

Governments have always served to socialize cost and privatize profit, usually by means of war and debt.

Since I don't know if you were alive in 1962, I can only say the Cuban Missile Crisis had a profound affect on everyone even those of us who didn't know all the details Kennedy and Khrushchev did.

Someone with Kennedy's sense of history, arrogance and personal experience with war might have been inclined to play peacemaker.

If so, those who profit from war and debt would have been inclined to send a message that no US president since that time has failed to heed.