germans take a page from trump

[aris2chat]

LOL, sorry newbie but I do understand. You will figure it out soon enough.

LuckyDuck was absolutely right on. He understands Islam's purpose in coming the West and it's certainly not to integrate into Western culture.

Islam needs to be understood as the world's largest cult.

You people who believe this are idiots.

You are clearly ignorant of Islam, its long history with regard to non-Islamic nations, its founder, its Koran, its teachings and its political goals.

You're one to talk

It is not so different than christian history in the rest of the non-christian world.
Actually it began much better, non-muslims people of the book, were considered brothers of islam and protected.
People under muslim authority kept their own laws, leaders and culture for the most part.
Christians had as much to do with the change in the relationship as muslims conflict among themselves did.

 

[LuckyDuck]

LOL, sorry newbie but I do understand. You will figure it out soon enough.

LuckyDuck was absolutely right on. He understands Islam's purpose in coming the West and it's certainly not to integrate into Western culture.

Islam needs to be understood as the world's largest cult.

You people who believe this are idiots.

You are clearly ignorant of Islam, its long history with regard to non-Islamic nations, its founder, its Koran, its teachings and its political goals.

You're one to talk

It is not so different than christian history in the rest of the non-christian world.
Actually it began much better, non-muslims people of the book, were considered brothers of islam and protected.
People under muslim authority kept their own laws, leaders and culture for the most part.
Christians had as much to do with the change in the relationship as muslims conflict among themselves did.

That was before Medina. After Medina the true brutality and nature of its fake prophet came out.

 

[aris2chat]

LOL, sorry newbie but I do understand. You will figure it out soon enough.

LuckyDuck was absolutely right on. He understands Islam's purpose in coming the West and it's certainly not to integrate into Western culture.

Islam needs to be understood as the world's largest cult.

You people who believe this are idiots.

You are clearly ignorant of Islam, its long history with regard to non-Islamic nations, its founder, its Koran, its teachings and its political goals.

You're one to talk

It is not so different than christian history in the rest of the non-christian world.
Actually it began much better, non-muslims people of the book, were considered brothers of islam and protected.
People under muslim authority kept their own laws, leaders and culture for the most part.
Christians had as much to do with the change in the relationship as muslims conflict among themselves did.

That was before Medina. After Medina the true brutality and nature of its fake prophet came out.

No, I'm referring to the raise of the Abbasids and the Christian rioting and fighting each other in the holy land at the end if the 8th C and beginning of the 9th.

Yes, Mohammed change, but is was when his wife died and he lost his support and advice as "religious" leader for the people. She had developed a good insight from her mother and helped to guild Mohammed when he feared his "visits" were really demonic.

 

[Brynmr]

Yes, Mohammed change, but is was when his wife died and he lost his support and advice as "religious" leader for the people. She had developed a good insight from her mother and helped to guild Mohammed when he feared his "visits" were really demonic.

So now you're excusing Muhammad's brutality because of his wife's death. You're ridiculous.

 

[Brynmr]

You're one to talk

It is not so different than christian history in the rest of the non-christian world.

Tu quoque argument.

 

[Brynmr]

LOL, sorry newbie but I do understand. You will figure it out soon enough.

LuckyDuck was absolutely right on. He understands Islam's purpose in coming the West and it's certainly not to integrate into Western culture.

Islam needs to be understood as the world's largest cult.

You people who believe this are idiots.

I'd ask you to defend this assertion but I'm sure you can't.

 

[Brynmr]

This is total BS.

Another worthless ad hominem attack.

 

[Esmeralda]

LOL, sorry newbie but I do understand. You will figure it out soon enough.

LuckyDuck was absolutely right on. He understands Islam's purpose in coming the West and it's certainly not to integrate into Western culture.

Islam needs to be understood as the world's largest cult.

You people who believe this are idiots.

I'd ask you to defend this assertion but I'm sure you can't.

You defend with valid and concrete evidence the assertion that Islam is a cult. I AM SURE YOU CAN'T.

 

[Esmeralda]

This is total BS.

Another worthless ad hominem attack.

You don't even understand what an ad hominem attack is. It is an attack against the man, not against the ideas. I criticized the ideas.

 

[Brynmr]

how many Billion have died because of the spread of christianity? How many in the last century alone?

Irrelevant other than to point out Aris's support for Islamic brutality.

 

[Brynmr]

You defend with valid and concrete evidence the assertion that Islam is a cult. I AM SURE YOU CAN'T.

It's complicated but here you go - prt1:

The following is a description of what cult is:

A cult is a religious group with extreme beliefs and practices - beliefs that are often contrary to science and logic but they are believed as "obvious" truth by the cult members.
The members of cults often isolate themselves from friends, family and society and use deceptive and unethical recruiting techniques
Use manipulative methods to control the minds of followers
Venerate a human leader or leaders
Recruiting work is performed by all of the members
People are not allowed to criticize the leader, the doctrine, or the organization, or read information that is critical of the cult.
Members are trained to reject and disbelieve criticism of the cult as lies from Satan.
Members spy on one another and report improper activities or comments to leaders.
Members are taught to suppress anything which might reflect negatively to outsiders about the cult.
The doctrine is absolutist and the ideology is internalized as "the Truth."
Members are told to avoid contact with ex-members or critics, even their relatives.
Members are instilled with a deep fear about ever leaving the organization, and anyone who does depart is of the devil and sometimes severely punished.
Members are emotional controlled and warned of being caught and punished.
Disciplinary action is administered by group leaders, which may involve excommunication for such things as questioning organization policy or doctrine.
People are encouraged to sacrifice education, career and family interests to server the interests of the cult.
Advocate socializing only with other members in the organization and avoiding outsiders.
The belief in apocalypse and Dooms Day.

 

[Brynmr]

part2:

All these traits are present in Islam.

Islam claims to be a religion with strong devotion to Muhammad and a set of unsubstantiated doctrines presented by him. Monotheism is used as a pretext to exert absolute control over the believers, leaving them no chance to question or investigate alternative paths.
Muhammad forced his followers to leave their families (8:72) and gathered them in Yathrib. He said: “And those who believed but did not leave their homes, ye have no duty to protect them till they leave their homes”. He warned those who did not follow him, leaving behind their families, will be cursed by Allah and “their habitation will be hell”(4:97). Muhammad went as far as to order his followers to murder those Muslims who defected his barricade.(4:89) In Yathrib he banished and killed the Jews who did not believe in him, thus eliminating the chance of his followers coming in contact with outsiders and being influenced by anyone. In this way he exerted absolute control over the lives and the minds of his followers. Jim Jones did the same. He called his town "Jonestown". Muhammad changed the name of Yathirb to Madinatul Nabi (Prophet’s Town)
He used manipulative methods to control the minds of his followers. These methods ranged from threat of hellfire, and promises of paradise, to exhaustive rituals of prayers and fasts, devised to numb the thought, and threat of physical punishment including execution and constant warfare, keeping his followers in perpetual state of agitation.
He established himself as the sole authority among his followers and the only source of guidance to the extent that they looked up to him for every detail of their lives, including how to dress, how to shave, how to pray and even how to urinate and how to clean after bowl movement. Ostensibly the worship was to God but effectively he was the only object of veneration of his followers and the only authority. Nominally God was to be obeyed but he was God's proxy, thus assuming the authority of God.
All believers were asked to promote his cause through Jihad, propaganda or by giving generously from their wealth. 4:95, 9:20, 49:15, 61:11
The criticism of Muhammad and Islam was totally prohibited and if anyone dared to question him or his decisions, Omar swiftly unshielded his sword and threatened to slash the throat of the intrepid questioner forcing him to apologize. The message was sent in a very clear tone that no one must question Muhammad and his authority. 1400 years later, the message remains the same. If you question Islam you will be killed.

 

[Brynmr]

Part2 b:

Muslims are told to dismiss any criticism of Islam as coming from Satan and they often avoid reading critical views about their Faith. I have received testimonies of apostates who confessed that at first when they came across this site they stopped reading it and dismissed it as the work of Satan. See this I myself never read any book critical of Islam and once frowned at a friend who expressed her curiosity about Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses.
Muslims are encouraged to spy on each other and report any sign of dissent. Amr bil Maroof wa Nahi anil Munkir (Commanding to follow the religion and preventing from doing what is prohibited) is a tenet of Islam. Every Muslim is required to poke his nose in the private lives of others, spy on them and tell them what they should do and what they should not do. Every Muslim is an enforcer of religion and the moral police for others.
Muslims suppress anything that might present Islam in negative light. Preserving the image of Islam is of utmost importance and Muslims lie with clarity of conscience to misrepresent their religion and make it look good. For example women in Islam are treated like animals and are considered as deficient in intelligence. Every Muslim knows that including the women, who blame the men for it but not the Islam. But they lie through their teeth bragging about the "elevated" status of women in Islam. Jihad means aggressive war to expand Islam. Every Muslim knows that. Yet all of them lie and say Jihad means "self defense". A couple of years ago I received a very angry email from a Muslim who cursed me for revealing the fact that Muhammad had slept with a 9-year old child and at the end he said “the damage is already done” and I will be certainly punished for what I had done. The fact that Muhammad slept with a child did not bother this Muslim but what bothered him was revealing this fact.
Islam is extremely absolutist and Muslims believe that it is the only true religion. This “truth” however is not self evident. It is "true" because Muhammad said so.
Muslims are told to shun the apostates and the critics of Islam. New converts are often circled and are isolated from their non-Muslim family and friends. They are showered with love and receive a lot of emotional support until the brainwashing is complete.
Muslims are instilled with the fear of leaving Islam. This fear comes in two forms. One is the fear of Hell and of eternal punishment and the other is the fear of being caught and put to death by fellow Muslims, including their best friends and family.

 

[Brynmr]

And finally, part2 c:

Those who leave Islam must live in constant threat of being discovered and killed. In Muslims’ Comments section of this site you can see that Muslims often talk about this fear and say they pity me for having to look over my shoulders all the time and live in fear of being assassinated. The values are so distorted that they do not pity themselves for being the assassins but pity me for having to live in their fear.
In Islam disciplinary action includes beating, maiming, stoning, beheading or jail. Excommunication is for minor offenses. The poet Ka’b and two others were excommunicated for fifty days and during that time no one spoke to them. Ka’b’s wife was told to leave him and wherever he went people ignored him as if he was invisible. All this, because he did not accompany Muhammad in the war of Tabutk.
Muslims are told to sacrifice their comfort, their wealth and including their lives to promote Islam. Young men are encouraged to leave their studies and work, wage Jihad, and commit suicide bombing to make Islam dominant. Family and even children are regarded as "tests" of the believers. To prove their loyalty to Allah, they must be able to forgo all these "worldly attachments" and get ready to sacrifice their lives in the cause of Islam.
Muslims are discouraged to take friends from amongst the unbelievers even if these unbelievers are their kin. 3:28 They are told the unbelievers are najis (filthy) 9:28 and that the believers should not associate with them.
The belief in the Day of Judgment and the Dooms Day is one of the pillars of the Islamic Faith.

 

[Brynmr]

You don't even understand what an ad hominem attack is. It is an attack against the man, not against the ideas. I criticized the ideas.

I do know what an ad hominem attack is. It's early and I misspoke. Comment withdrawn.

 

[aris2chat]

Yes, Mohammed change, but is was when his wife died and he lost his support and advice as "religious" leader for the people. She had developed a good insight from her mother and helped to guild Mohammed when he feared his "visits" were really demonic.

So now you're excusing Muhammad's brutality because of his wife's death. You're ridiculous.

correcting your mistake.

He did not become brutal because she died, he changed his teachings because he lost his sounding board to understanding the sura.

Life and culture in arabia were different. Mohammed fled mecca because he was in danger. Raiding was a time honored way of life back then. He also set up a constitution while in Medina. Contradictions, changes in the previous sura began in be part of later sura (the quran today is not in the order they were given). He also became more upset by criticism and satire of himself.

Were he had been faithful to his first wife, he later took more wives, even his son's wife.

 

[Brynmr]

More on Islam as cult. Islam Watch - "Islam: Religion or Cult?" by Ali Sina

 

[Brynmr]

Yes, Mohammed change, but is was when his wife died and he lost his support and advice as "religious" leader for the people. She had developed a good insight from her mother and helped to guild Mohammed when he feared his "visits" were really demonic.

So now you're excusing Muhammad's brutality because of his wife's death. You're ridiculous.

correcting your mistake.

He did not become brutal because she died, he changed his teachings because he lost his sounding board to understanding the sura.

Life and culture in arabia were different. Mohammed fled mecca because he was in danger. Raiding was a time honored way of life back then. He also set up a constitution while in Medina. Contradictions, changes in the previous sura began in be part of later sura (the quran today is not in the order they were given). He also became more upset by criticism and satire of himself.

Were he had been faithful to his first wife, he later took more wives, even his son's wife.

So what? All you're doing is excusing his brutality.

 

[aris2chat]

And finally, part2 c:

Those who leave Islam must live in constant threat of being discovered and killed. In Muslims’ Comments section of this site you can see that Muslims often talk about this fear and say they pity me for having to look over my shoulders all the time and live in fear of being assassinated. The values are so distorted that they do not pity themselves for being the assassins but pity me for having to live in their fear.
In Islam disciplinary action includes beating, maiming, stoning, beheading or jail. Excommunication is for minor offenses. The poet Ka’b and two others were excommunicated for fifty days and during that time no one spoke to them. Ka’b’s wife was told to leave him and wherever he went people ignored him as if he was invisible. All this, because he did not accompany Muhammad in the war of Tabutk.
Muslims are told to sacrifice their comfort, their wealth and including their lives to promote Islam. Young men are encouraged to leave their studies and work, wage Jihad, and commit suicide bombing to make Islam dominant. Family and even children are regarded as "tests" of the believers. To prove their loyalty to Allah, they must be able to forgo all these "worldly attachments" and get ready to sacrifice their lives in the cause of Islam.
Muslims are discouraged to take friends from amongst the unbelievers even if these unbelievers are their kin. 3:28 They are told the unbelievers are najis (filthy) 9:28 and that the believers should not associate with them.
The belief in the Day of Judgment and the Dooms Day is one of the pillars of the Islamic Faith.

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. Al-Baqara 2:256

Now Hezbullah kills takfiris and ISIS actually kill more muslims than non-muslims, but that for many that will be hard to believe especially after so many mass graves have been found.

Not all muslims are the same any more than all christians are, or even christians from one country to another, or from one time period to another. Don't judge all muslims by the misguided twist fanaticism of a few.

 

[aris2chat]

You're one to talk

It is not so different than christian history in the rest of the non-christian world.

Tu quoque argument.

It is not hypocritical to understand othes, nor is it justification for wrongful actions, but you and few others hate all muslims out of ignorance. You want to pass judgement and execute without even a trial.

As for my judgement of you, that is based on your own words not some fallacy.
You are the one exposing your character.