George Will stuns Fox panel: ‘Preposterous’ that U.S. can’t shelter child refugees fr

[JakeStarkey]

I see that some of you don't quite understand what is a welfare state.

And any complaint that we have unlimited immigration is unwarranted.

Omnibus bill: sealed border, business employee reform, and immigration legislation.

Ignorant piece of shit

Yes, you are, and that is why the responsible right to thinking left will not let the extremes have their way: they would bring America down so they can loot the remains.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Washington doesn't have the competence to run a laundromat" is the statement of a failed laundromat owner.

Washington won WWII with the help of London and Moscow.

However, no one outside of the ME can solve ME problems.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

They are illegal aliens, not refugees.

Incorrect.

One is not 'illegal' until he has been afforded due process and found guilty in a court of law.

All persons in the United States are entitled to due process and the presumption of innocence.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Of course we can...but why should we. There's a billion more in the world...why not them. And how many are at your house, Gertrude?

Our country is our house. They are at our house, knocking on our door and asking for help.

Mathew 19:14

King James Bible
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Statue of Liberty

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free



USMB Conservatives:

Let the little buggers eat cake.

LOL!

 

[Esmeralda]

Of course we can...but why should we. There's a billion more in the world...why not them. And how many are at your house, Gertrude?

Our country is our house. They are at our house, knocking on our door and asking for help.

Mathew 19:14

King James Bible
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Statue of Liberty

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free



USMB Conservatives:

Let the little buggers eat cake.

LOL!

Excellent! Perfect.

 

[Rikurzhen]

They are illegal aliens, not refugees.

Incorrect.

One is not 'illegal' until he has been afforded due process and found guilty in a court of law.

All persons in the United States are entitled to due process and the presumption of innocence.

So when I personally witness a person shoplifting or a person using his fists to knock out the teeth of another person on the sidewalk, I'm not actually witnessing these people do anything illegal?

 

[Kosh]

They are illegal aliens, not refugees.

Incorrect.

One is not 'illegal' until he has been afforded due process and found guilty in a court of law.

All persons in the United States are entitled to due process and the presumption of innocence.

Well the far left continues to prove that they have no clue what the constitution is.

Then again this thread proves that FOX will allow many points of view and the far left "news" like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, etc. do not or will not allow such things.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Excellent! Perfect.

How is that perfect? Help me understand the warped values of liberals.

Here we see a higher valuation placed on foreigners than on citizens. It goes further, welcome the dregs of humanity from foreign shores and kick out Americans who object to that.

 

[GreenBean]

It depends on what the ulterior motive is . If the ultimate objective is to overload the system , destroy the middle class , eliminate the remnants of American affluence and leave America ripe for socialism -then yes you would certainly want to have both a welfare state and unlimited immigration.

The method is quite obviously destruction of the middle class, so you're right on about that. But the objective is plutocratic rule, not socialism. Socialism is the diametric opposite of what the shadow government has planned for America. In fact, what America desperately needs is restoration of those socialist regulations which prevented the ravaging of our economy which has taken place since Reaganomics was imposed on us.

Uh, I'm with you insofar as we are talking about the disastrous results of the so-called War on Drugs, which, among other things, has squander billions in treasure for nothing, when all the while the government's only duty to the people was to shut that friggin' border down! But now with this talk of plutocracy in the face of the depredations that is the history of liberal/progressive fascism as the pathway toward a communist state, i.e., in the minds of the New Deal Marxist of FDR's administration and their ideological offspring, you've gone off the rails and taken a left turn into la-la land. Limited government, the preservation of private property and inalienable human rights are not the passé concerns of agrarian societies, but the bulwark against the tyranny of overweening governments.

Bro - I gots me a Masters Degree and I still ain't figured out watcha all is mumbling bout !

I know you want to look oh so intelligent , heck I betcha you even hold your pinky in the air when sipping your vanilla Latte - but could you kindly run that by us one mo' time - cepting try it in American English this time - Thank ya kindly kind sir

 

[MikeK]

I wish I knew how to quit you!

Use the Ignore feature.

Go to User CP. Scroll down the left columns to "Edit Ignore List" and follow the prompts.

 

[MikeK]

Uh, I'm with you insofar as we are talking about the disastrous results of the so-called War on Drugs, which, among other things, has squander billions in treasure for nothing, when all the while the government's only duty to the people was to shut that friggin' border down! But now with this talk of plutocracy in the face of the depredations that is the history of liberal/progressive fascism as the pathway toward a communist state, i.e., in the minds of the New Deal Marxist of FDR's administration and their ideological offspring, you've gone off the rails and taken a left turn into la-la land. Limited government, the preservation of private property and inalienable human rights are not the passé concerns of agrarian societies, but the bulwark against the tyranny of overweening governments.

I am truly surprised that someone with your obvious intelligence actually believes the FDR Administration was oriented to Marxism and there is even the slightest possibility that the United States could adopt a communist system.

Can I assume you believe the union movement was a bad thing and the Country is better off without unions? And do you believe reasonably equitable controls over the distribution of a nation's wealth resources is categorical communism?

Do you believe a $20 million limit imposed on the accumulation of personal assets is a communist policy -- even if the capitalist system remains intact?

And do you believe Ronald Reagan was good for America?

 

[Carla_Danger]

Our country is our house. They are at our house, knocking on our door and asking for help.

Mathew 19:14

King James Bible
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Statue of Liberty

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free



USMB Conservatives:

Let the little buggers eat cake.

LOL!

Excellent! Perfect.

A Native American educates teabaggers on immigration! Funny!

 

[Newby]

I am always on the right track for American when dblack and Newby disagree with me.

The juvenile remarking above about either or with terms like 'welfare state' or 'libertarian' or 'unlimited immigration' without wit for definition or context always amuses me.

On this OP issue, GW is correct and the far right and libertarian loons are merely honking in the swamp of ignorance.

Yet all you do is critisize what others say, I've never once in all of these years on the board ever seen you actually offer up your own opinion or solution to anything.

So tell us Jake, what is your stance on this issue? Apparently it's not 'unllimited immigration', so what is your vision of how it should work? When all of these poor and downtrodden people arrive, what is your vision to ensure they don't starve, do you add them to the welfare rolls? If not, how are you going to support them until they are established, especially considering most of them will not know English and it would take months to even get them to a point where they could work.

So let's hear it, give us your vision of how it should work and what you are proposing?

 

[Newby]

You can have a welfare state OR you can have unlimited immigration. It just can't work to have both at once.

It depends on what the ulterior motive is . If the ultimate objective is to overload the system , destroy the middle class , eliminate the remnants of American affluence and leave America ripe for socialism -then yes you would certainly want to have both a welfare state and unlimited immigration.

Absolutely, but you'll never convince these people wanting to have open borders that there are those out there in high places of government with this agenda, or they themselves are actually a part of that agenda.

 

[Newby]

I am always on the right track for American when dblack and Newby disagree with me.

The juvenile remarking above about either or with terms like 'welfare state' or 'libertarian' or 'unlimited immigration' without wit for definition or context always amuses me.

On this OP issue, GW is correct and the far right and libertarian loons are merely honking in the swamp of ignorance.

Let me spell it out for you then. You can have a massive system of taxpayer provided social services and welfare programs that just about everyone can partake of some piece of...

...or...

...you can open the borders and allow anyone with a pulse to show up with no restrictions on education, skillset, or capabilities.

You can' have both because you end up with a situation where someone who shows up and can't do anything can still end up suckling on the social services tit. Even if they somehow are barred from welfare, all those useless newcomers that bring nothing to the table still use up other resources like public schools, police, health care, and the like.

If you want to just let any third worlder show up, you can't have the massive social service network you have today and still have functioning middle class because someone has to pay for it and there are only so many rich people to soak.

Pick one or the other.

Oh no, Jake will tell us his vision of how both are going to be accomodated, or he's stupid enough to believe that the scenario you describe won't happen. We can bring all of those people here, have huge social services programs that will give everyone everything that they need, and there will still be a thriving economy and middle class. They believe that sunshine and roses are what comes out of their asses when they take a dump.

Or rather, Jake will just critisize what you posted without materially addressing any of your post or offering up any opinion of his own on the topic. Since that's what he does on this board 100% of the time, I wouldn't expect him to deviate from that, he's incapable of doing so.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

They are illegal aliens, not refugees.

Incorrect.

One is not 'illegal' until he has been afforded due process and found guilty in a court of law.

All persons in the United States are entitled to due process and the presumption of innocence.

And the American people are entitled to a secure border so that illegal aliens . . . er . . . the presumed innocent cannot invade our country at will in the first place, so that they must instead abide by the terms of entry in keeping with the rule of law.

By the way, folks, Jones is alluding to case law, Yick Wo v. Hopkins (1886).

 

[kwc57]

I am always on the right track for American when dblack and Newby disagree with me.

The juvenile remarking above about either or with terms like 'welfare state' or 'libertarian' or 'unlimited immigration' without wit for definition or context always amuses me.

On this OP issue, GW is correct and the far right and libertarian loons are merely honking in the swamp of ignorance.

Yet all you do is critisize what others say, I've never once in all of these years on the board ever seen you actually offer up your own opinion or solution to anything.

So tell us Jake, what is your stance on this issue? Apparently it's not 'unllimited immigration', so what is your vision of how it should work? When all of these poor and downtrodden people arrive, what is your vision to ensure they don't starve, do you add them to the welfare rolls? If not, how are you going to support them until they are established, especially considering most of them will not know English and it would take months to even get them to a point where they could work.

So let's hear it, give us your vision of how it should work and what you are proposing?

So far.......crickets.

 

[GreenBean]

You can have a welfare state OR you can have unlimited immigration. It just can't work to have both at once.

It depends on what the ulterior motive is . If the ultimate objective is to overload the system , destroy the middle class , eliminate the remnants of American affluence and leave America ripe for socialism -then yes you would certainly want to have both a welfare state and unlimited immigration.

Absolutely, but you'll never convince these people wanting to have open borders that there are those out there in high places of government with this agenda, or they themselves are actually a part of that agenda.

It's denial - a common Human Trait, a defense mechanism, used often to describe situations in which people seem unable to face reality or admit a blatant and obvious truth.

Denial functions to protect the ego from things that the individual cannot cope with. In many cases, there can be irreftuabtle , undeniable and overwhelming evidence that something is true, yet the person will continue to deny its existence or truth because it is too uncomfortable to face.

 

[Misty]

I'm not religious so I'm not even going to address your bible bullshit.

The statue of liberty poem, "The New Colossus" however, was written to raise money for the pedestal for the statue.

The poem was added to the statue as a memorial to Lazarus, the author, who died in 1887.

The statue was not intended to welcome immigrants nor encourage them to come here.

Of course we can...but why should we. There's a billion more in the world...why not them. And how many are at your house, Gertrude?

Our country is our house. They are at our house, knocking on our door and asking for help.

Mathew 19:14

King James Bible
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Statue of Liberty

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free



USMB Conservatives:

Let the little buggers eat cake.

 

[Jackson]

Marginal Christianity: George Will stuns Fox panel: ?Preposterous? that U.S. can?t shelter child refugees from violence

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Ah Conservative George! Hate him or love him, he's certainly Right on this issue! KUDOS to him!

We cannot police the world nor save it.