General Motors Green Revolution!!

[Midnight Marauder]

There's that old Conservative adage that goes..

"If man were meant to fly..he'd have wings".

English proverb actually, not a "conservative adage," but it is also accurate. We do not fly. Never have. Never will. We are not designed to fly. We ride in machines that fly.

See?

 

[Zander]

I'll type really slow, just for you Sallow - this is Linux....
Click the link>>>> Linux.com | The source for Linux information <<< click the link


They are a non-profit organization.


Red Hat is a separate, independent, for profit company. Different name. Different company.

Clear enough??
Damn you're dense....

Yep.

That's Linux as well.

Which Linux are you certified in?

Spin away douchebag...everyone knows you misspoke. You are not a big enough man to admit it. No biggie to me.

 

[Sallow]

I'll type really slow, just for you Sallow - this is Linux....
Click the link>>>> Linux.com | The source for Linux information <<< click the link


They are a non-profit organization.


Red Hat is a separate, independent, for profit company. Different name. Different company.

Clear enough??
Damn you're dense....

Yep.

That's Linux as well.

Which Linux are you certified in?

Spin away douchebag...everyone knows you misspoke. You are not a big enough man to admit it. No biggie to me.

Misspoke what? I didn't say anything. Not a word. You are lying now.

I typed it in on a keyboard.

What a lying buffon you turned out to be.

And I'd love to see you use this line of reasoning if you were to apply for a job in IT.

They'd laugh you out of the building.

 

[Zander]

Yep.

That's Linux as well.

Which Linux are you certified in?

Spin away douchebag...everyone knows you misspoke. You are not a big enough man to admit it. No biggie to me.

Misspoke what? I didn't say anything. Not a word. You are lying now.

I typed it in on a keyboard.

What a lying buffon you turned out to be.

And I'd love to see you use this line of reasoning if you were to apply for a job in IT.

They'd laugh you out of the building.

Weak.

Yeah sure they would. And then you can explain how Dell, HP, Sony, Gateway, et. al. are all really MICROSOFT.



They all use Windows operating system. So according to your logic, they are all Microsoft. Right dumbass?

 

[KissMy]

Don't worry, Obama & the Democrats will make sure the Chevy Volt sales pick-up so they can pump & dump their GM stock onto the unsuspecting public. First they will run up oil prices & then they will use tax dollars to pay corporations to buy a bunch of Chevy Volts to up those sales figures.

GE Buys 12,000 Chevy Volts, Taxpayers Get Charged

corporate-welfare king General Electric, which has strategically used the Obama administration&#8217;s attempted takeover of America&#8217;s energy economy to pad its bottom line.

&#8220;The Obama administration gave corporate giant General Electric $24.9 million in grants from the $787-billion economic &#8216;stimulus&#8217; law President Barack Obama signed in February 2009...&#8220;Despite getting $24.9 million from U.S. taxpayers, GE decreased its U.S.-based employees by 18,000 in 2009. According to Standard & Poor&#8217;s, GE took in $156 billion in revenue in 2009.&#8221;

Some of those lost employees used to make incandescent bulbs &#8212; jobs now shipped to China (don&#8217;t Democrats despise China almost as much as Wall Street? Is there an inverse relationship here? The more Democrats hate something, the more money they throw at it?). Shuttering American bulb factories was a small price to pay for increased profits on compact fluorescents, courtesy of a Washington mandate.

Why are taxpayers giving money to a $156 billion corporate fat cat? To save the planet, of course. GE makes &#8220;smart grid technology&#8221; where the company &#8212; along with utilities &#8212; stands to gain from Obama&#8217;s market-socialist plans that advance the electrification of the automobile. One piece of that electrification model is the Chevy Volt, a key reason the feds bailed out Government Motors with $50 billion in 2009. Subsidized infrastructure, subsidized cars, and now subsidized alliances.

&#8220;General Electric will convert half its 30,000 worldwide fleet of vehicles to electrics, including purchasing 12,000 cars from GM beginning with the 2011 Chevrolet Volt. In all, the Fairfield, Conn.&#8211;based company, which makes charging stations, will purchase 25,000 plug-in electric cars by 2015.&#8221;

Yes, those charging stations &#8212; GE makes the GE Wattstation &#8212; are also subsidized by up to $2,000 of your tax money.

BTW GE Capital also got a $Billion from TARP.

 

[Sallow]

Spin away douchebag...everyone knows you misspoke. You are not a big enough man to admit it. No biggie to me.

Misspoke what? I didn't say anything. Not a word. You are lying now.

I typed it in on a keyboard.

What a lying buffon you turned out to be.

And I'd love to see you use this line of reasoning if you were to apply for a job in IT.

They'd laugh you out of the building.

Weak.

Yeah sure they would. And then you can explain how Dell, HP, Sony, Gateway, et. al. are all really MICROSOFT.



They all use Windows operating system. So according to your logic, they are all Microsoft. Right dumbass?

This again..basically shows you have no idea, none, what you are talking about.

There are a few companies that are for profit, Linux, ones. Each of them have their own "flavor" of Linux. While you may be able to function in a RedHat environment if you come from an SUSE background you'd quickly notice that. RedHat sells a proprietary form of Linux. It's different from the Linux you can download from the web and is fully supported by RedHat, meaning that if something doesn't work correctly and you need it fixed..RedHat will fix it. Open Source Linux doesn't do that..why? Because it's free.

That's why corporations generally use RedHat Linux. And RedHat offers certification in it's particular brand of Linux.

The companies, with the exception of HP, you mention in the above post are not "Microsoft" . Why? Because they don't generally make software. They make hardware. Hewlett Packard did make a flavor of UNIX called HPUX or Hewlett Packard UNIX based on system V, ATT Unix.

There's plenty of stuff on the web regarding this if you are interested.

But again..you are wrong..and you haven't a clue about what you are talking about. Being an asshole about it isn't going to make you "right" either..no matter how much of a tantrum you throw.

 

[Trajan]

Don't worry, Obama & the Democrats will make sure the Chevy Volt sales pick-up so they can pump & dump their GM stock onto the unsuspecting public. First they will run up oil prices & then they will use tax dollars to pay corporations to buy a bunch of Chevy Volts to up those sales figures.

GE Buys 12,000 Chevy Volts, Taxpayers Get Charged

corporate-welfare king General Electric, which has strategically used the Obama administration’s attempted takeover of America’s energy economy to pad its bottom line.

“The Obama administration gave corporate giant General Electric $24.9 million in grants from the $787-billion economic ‘stimulus’ law President Barack Obama signed in February 2009...“Despite getting $24.9 million from U.S. taxpayers, GE decreased its U.S.-based employees by 18,000 in 2009. According to Standard & Poor’s, GE took in $156 billion in revenue in 2009.”

Some of those lost employees used to make incandescent bulbs — jobs now shipped to China (don’t Democrats despise China almost as much as Wall Street? Is there an inverse relationship here? The more Democrats hate something, the more money they throw at it?). Shuttering American bulb factories was a small price to pay for increased profits on compact fluorescents, courtesy of a Washington mandate.

Why are taxpayers giving money to a $156 billion corporate fat cat? To save the planet, of course. GE makes “smart grid technology” where the company — along with utilities — stands to gain from Obama’s market-socialist plans that advance the electrification of the automobile. One piece of that electrification model is the Chevy Volt, a key reason the feds bailed out Government Motors with $50 billion in 2009. Subsidized infrastructure, subsidized cars, and now subsidized alliances.

“General Electric will convert half its 30,000 worldwide fleet of vehicles to electrics, including purchasing 12,000 cars from GM beginning with the 2011 Chevrolet Volt. In all, the Fairfield, Conn.–based company, which makes charging stations, will purchase 25,000 plug-in electric cars by 2015.”

Yes, those charging stations — GE makes the GE Wattstation — are also subsidized by up to $2,000 of your tax money.

BTW GE Capital also got a $Billion from TARP.

so thats 10K in subsidies we have to lay out. the charging stations are also problematic ala where to put them, the power required, cost, pay to install and maintain them etc etc...

 

[william the wie]

Linux is not redhat or vice versa.

 

[Annie]

Meanwhile looks like Ford is going to be researching the fuel I think most likely in the near future, hydrogen. They seems to be discounting now, electric:

Bill Ford Sounds EV Retreat | The Truth About Cars

Bill Ford Sounds EV Retreat
By Bertel Schmitt on March 4, 2011

When, in a former life, I wrote speeches for top execs at Volkswagen, I never made my guy admit failure. Bad for his career and my business. The secret phrase for full retreat was:

“This is one of the many options we are looking at. We are in a changing world and must change with it.”
​

I must have a less circumspect colleague at Ford.

“Electric is a focus of investment,”​

Ford CEO William Ford said yesterday at The Wall Street Journal’s ECO:nomics Conference in Santa Barbara. And then he dropped the bombshell:

“We still don’t know what the winning technology is going to be…We’re continuing to invest in hydrogen, we’re continuing to invest in biofuels.”
​

Ford bluntly reminded us that EVs had been tried before and failed:

“Prior to the Model T, a third of all vehicles in this country were electric… this isn’t a new technology. The reason it died away was the ubiquity of charging. Today, we have the same issue.”​

According to a Wall Street Journal report, Ford “has no certainty that an electric grid will be developed that is capable of supporting droves of electric vehicles on the roads.”

Here is a nugget which I would have never dared to put into a speech, and as my victims will attest, I never was shy:

“We’ve made a big bet on electric… but the pace at which that develops, I think anyone who can tell you that is lying.”​

What is most significant is the choice of venue for these choice words. It was like preaching Satanism to a nun’s convent. According to a survey conducted at the ECO:nomics conference, half of the respondents said they planned to buy an electric car in the next decade. Most likely, they lied also.

 

[Sallow]

Linux is not redhat or vice versa.

Another idiot.

 

[Sallow]

Don't worry, Obama & the Democrats will make sure the Chevy Volt sales pick-up so they can pump & dump their GM stock onto the unsuspecting public. First they will run up oil prices & then they will use tax dollars to pay corporations to buy a bunch of Chevy Volts to up those sales figures.

GE Buys 12,000 Chevy Volts, Taxpayers Get Charged

corporate-welfare king General Electric, which has strategically used the Obama administration’s attempted takeover of America’s energy economy to pad its bottom line.

“The Obama administration gave corporate giant General Electric $24.9 million in grants from the $787-billion economic ‘stimulus’ law President Barack Obama signed in February 2009...“Despite getting $24.9 million from U.S. taxpayers, GE decreased its U.S.-based employees by 18,000 in 2009. According to Standard & Poor’s, GE took in $156 billion in revenue in 2009.”

Some of those lost employees used to make incandescent bulbs — jobs now shipped to China (don’t Democrats despise China almost as much as Wall Street? Is there an inverse relationship here? The more Democrats hate something, the more money they throw at it?). Shuttering American bulb factories was a small price to pay for increased profits on compact fluorescents, courtesy of a Washington mandate.

Why are taxpayers giving money to a $156 billion corporate fat cat? To save the planet, of course. GE makes “smart grid technology” where the company — along with utilities — stands to gain from Obama’s market-socialist plans that advance the electrification of the automobile. One piece of that electrification model is the Chevy Volt, a key reason the feds bailed out Government Motors with $50 billion in 2009. Subsidized infrastructure, subsidized cars, and now subsidized alliances.

“General Electric will convert half its 30,000 worldwide fleet of vehicles to electrics, including purchasing 12,000 cars from GM beginning with the 2011 Chevrolet Volt. In all, the Fairfield, Conn.–based company, which makes charging stations, will purchase 25,000 plug-in electric cars by 2015.”

Yes, those charging stations — GE makes the GE Wattstation — are also subsidized by up to $2,000 of your tax money.

BTW GE Capital also got a $Billion from TARP.

so thats 10K in subsidies we have to lay out. the charging stations are also problematic ala where to put them, the power required, cost, pay to install and maintain them etc etc...

I kinda think it would be great to have "parking meter charging stations". And..would be a great source of revenue.

 

[Flopper]

I think electric cars are a niche market and will remain so until the range is increased substantially. We can't expect charging stations everywhere until there is market demand.

No one except the electric power companies seem to be concerned that there will not be enough capacity to support tens of millions of electric cars. It takes years to build power plants and costs are huge.

 

[Trajan]

Don't worry, Obama & the Democrats will make sure the Chevy Volt sales pick-up so they can pump & dump their GM stock onto the unsuspecting public. First they will run up oil prices & then they will use tax dollars to pay corporations to buy a bunch of Chevy Volts to up those sales figures.

GE Buys 12,000 Chevy Volts, Taxpayers Get Charged


BTW GE Capital also got a $Billion from TARP.

so thats 10K in subsidies we have to lay out. the charging stations are also problematic ala where to put them, the power required, cost, pay to install and maintain them etc etc...

I kinda think it would be great to have "parking meter charging stations". And..would be a great source of revenue.

do you mean every parking meter would have a fast charge plug in station?

 

[Sallow]

so thats 10K in subsidies we have to lay out. the charging stations are also problematic ala where to put them, the power required, cost, pay to install and maintain them etc etc...

I kinda think it would be great to have "parking meter charging stations". And..would be a great source of revenue.

do you mean every parking meter would have a fast charge plug in station?

Yep

 

[Trajan]

I kinda think it would be great to have "parking meter charging stations". And..would be a great source of revenue.

do you mean every parking meter would have a fast charge plug in station?

Yep

and how would you propose going about that?Exactly?

 

[Flopper]

do you mean every parking meter would have a fast charge plug in station?

Yep

and how would you propose going about that?Exactly?

Tesla Roadster can go 220 miles per charge, although it also costs $100k. Once we can get sedans such as the Volt to go over 200 miles on a charge, we will only need charging stations at home, hotels, and service stations.

I think the ideal vehicle would be a plugin hybrid with a 200 mile battery. Around town you could run on electricity only charging the vehicle at home. On long trips you could choose to use gas or electric only.

 

[Trajan]

Yep

and how would you propose going about that?Exactly?

Tesla Roadster can go 220 miles per charge, although it also costs $100k. Once we can get sedans such as the Volt to go over 200 miles on a charge,

I see, is that all?

we will only need charging stations at home, hotels, and service stations.

uhm, parking complexes? Apt. complexes? Malls? Urban parking spaces?

I don't see service stations working out really, they don't have space to accommodate more than what 5-8 at a time...*shrugs*


and that really didn't answer my question...

I think the ideal vehicle would be a plugin hybrid with a 200 mile battery. Around town you could run on electricity only charging the vehicle at home. On long trips you could choose to use gas or electric only.

 

[Annie]

I kinda think it would be great to have "parking meter charging stations". And..would be a great source of revenue.

do you mean every parking meter would have a fast charge plug in station?

Yep

Right. I'm sure we'll all like folks hooking up to our charged batteries?

The Charging Conundrum: How To Feed Electric Cars? | 89.3 KPCC

...What happens if you plug in a bunch of hungry electric cars in a neighborhood?

"We found that they could handle one to two to maybe three vehicles per home pretty easily if they are charged slowly, the same voltage that you have in your home for appliances, 120 volts," says engineer Carl Imhoff at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory. Slowly means about eight hours. Imhoff says the grid could handle tens of millions of electric cars at that rate.

But people will want faster charging, which will require bigger transformers and heavy-duty power outlets that deliver 240 volts. And running the grid will get more complicated.

Here's why: Grid operators have to match supply and demand 24/7 because they can't store electricity easily. So when demand drops, they have to turn off power plants somewhere. If demand spikes -- say, a hot day in Texas -- they need to fire up extra generators.

The Power-Sharing Tango

Adding millions of cars to the demand side is like tossing a juggler another ball in mid-juggle. Imhoff says one way to keep the system balanced is to use "smart" chargers that tell grid operators how much juice these cars need.

"If you use smart charging," he says, "you can actually cycle the charge -- turn the charge off, turn it on, turn it off, turn it on -- to serve the local conditions of the power system."

Nighttime is a good time to charge cars, when there are lots of power plants sitting idle and electricity is cheaper. And for drivers who care about where their electrons are coming from, that's the most common time for utilities to get energy from wind turbines.

Eventually, grid operators could theoretically draw power from cars when they're hooked up, say, to satisfy a surge in demand somewhere else on the grid. Cars themselves would become sources of energy.

"Presumably," says Mark Lauby, with the North American Electric Reliability Corporation, the grid operators' organization, "the automobiles are going to be smart enough to tell me, 'Hey, I'm here and I want to be charged,' or 'Hey, I'm here and I have energy available if you want it.' "

This kind of power-sharing tango between utilities and drivers could make the grid more efficient, but it's also fraught with difficulties. No one wants to wake up to a drained battery, and to get power back from cars, engineers would have to install equipment to convert the batteries' direct current to alternating current.

So for now, grid engineers are waiting to see if drivers come over to electric cars. If they do, they will build. Copyright 2010 National Public Radio. To see more, visit NPR : National Public Radio : News & Analysis, World, US, Music & Arts : NPR.

 

[MaggieMae]

Don't worry, Obama & the Democrats will make sure the Chevy Volt sales pick-up so they can pump & dump their GM stock onto the unsuspecting public. First they will run up oil prices & then they will use tax dollars to pay corporations to buy a bunch of Chevy Volts to up those sales figures.

GE Buys 12,000 Chevy Volts, Taxpayers Get Charged

corporate-welfare king General Electric, which has strategically used the Obama administration’s attempted takeover of America’s energy economy to pad its bottom line.

“The Obama administration gave corporate giant General Electric $24.9 million in grants from the $787-billion economic ‘stimulus’ law President Barack Obama signed in February 2009...“Despite getting $24.9 million from U.S. taxpayers, GE decreased its U.S.-based employees by 18,000 in 2009. According to Standard & Poor’s, GE took in $156 billion in revenue in 2009.”

Some of those lost employees used to make incandescent bulbs — jobs now shipped to China (don’t Democrats despise China almost as much as Wall Street? Is there an inverse relationship here? The more Democrats hate something, the more money they throw at it?). Shuttering American bulb factories was a small price to pay for increased profits on compact fluorescents, courtesy of a Washington mandate.

Why are taxpayers giving money to a $156 billion corporate fat cat? To save the planet, of course. GE makes “smart grid technology” where the company — along with utilities — stands to gain from Obama’s market-socialist plans that advance the electrification of the automobile. One piece of that electrification model is the Chevy Volt, a key reason the feds bailed out Government Motors with $50 billion in 2009. Subsidized infrastructure, subsidized cars, and now subsidized alliances.

“General Electric will convert half its 30,000 worldwide fleet of vehicles to electrics, including purchasing 12,000 cars from GM beginning with the 2011 Chevrolet Volt. In all, the Fairfield, Conn.–based company, which makes charging stations, will purchase 25,000 plug-in electric cars by 2015.”

Yes, those charging stations — GE makes the GE Wattstation — are also subsidized by up to $2,000 of your tax money.

BTW GE Capital also got a $Billion from TARP.

so thats 10K in subsidies we have to lay out. the charging stations are also problematic ala where to put them, the power required, cost, pay to install and maintain them etc etc...

In Alaska, for years the shopping malls have set up their parking lots with plug-in capability so vehicles can keep their engine blocks warm and batteries won't go dead. I assume that's an expense shared by the private retailers. I don't see locations for plug-in stations as being a problem at all. I'm sure there was a time when people were concerned where telephone polls would be located, too. Now we don't even notice them.

 

[MaggieMae]

What I'm getting from this thread, a day later, is that it's not acceptable that the federal government subsidized GM to develop the Volz as a startup venture, an alternative to burning gasoline, but it appears to be perfectly acceptable that the federal government has subsidized oil companies for decades, although extraction and production of oil has been a proven industry for well over a hundred years. Got it.