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[elektra]

Time for majority leader Reid to push a bill banning fracking and coal ;0)

And like a true politician Democrat Reid will give a fracking exemption to the geothermal industry.

So looks like in addition to proposing a ban that kills Solar, you have now proposed a ban that will kill The Geysers Geothermal plants as well as the Geothermal Plants on the Salton Sea.

Nice work, who's side are you on?

 

[PMZ]

Time for majority leader Reid to push a bill banning fracking and coal ;0)

And like a true politician Democrat Reid will give a fracking exemption to the geothermal industry.

So looks like in addition to proposing a ban that kills Solar, you have now proposed a ban that will kill The Geysers Geothermal plants as well as the Geothermal Plants on the Salton Sea.

Nice work, who's side are you on?

Is there some connection between Mathew's post and yours?

 

[elektra]

Time for majority leader Reid to push a bill banning fracking and coal ;0)

And like a true politician Democrat Reid will give a fracking exemption to the geothermal industry.

So looks like in addition to proposing a ban that kills Solar, you have now proposed a ban that will kill The Geysers Geothermal plants as well as the Geothermal Plants on the Salton Sea.

Nice work, who's side are you on?

Is there some connection between Mathew's post and yours?

Yes, Fracking, which if banned, should be banned for geothermal power as well as oil. The Geysers uses Fracking as does the Salton Sea geothermal plants.

 

[PMZ]

And like a true politician Democrat Reid will give a fracking exemption to the geothermal industry.

So looks like in addition to proposing a ban that kills Solar, you have now proposed a ban that will kill The Geysers Geothermal plants as well as the Geothermal Plants on the Salton Sea.

Nice work, who's side are you on?

Is there some connection between Mathew's post and yours?

Yes, Fracking, which if banned, should be banned for geothermal power as well as oil. The Geysers uses Fracking as does the Salton Sea geothermal plants.

Good point. That’s always the way with politics, isn't it. Every possibility helps some people, and inconveniences others.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Let's just say that I support pushing away from the 3 energy sources that will run out.

Coal, oil and natural gas....

I am a big supporter of nuclear and I am shocked to see how anti-nuclear the warming movement is even through they want to get away from co2. Makes me sick. 100 more gw of nuclear would remove 100 gw of coal or natural gas from the grid.

Why do I support geo-thermal? Same reason.
Why do I support solar? Same reason.

There's no reason why 20-30% of our energy mix can't be renewable or sources like nuclear. Places like Briton, Germany and parts of the eastern sea board of this country have already hit peak in those finite sources.

Does solar pollute??? Yes. Does your computer or car battery...Thank god for regulations that you whine about. Remember we're NOT china and the epa is why we're not.

 

[RGR]

Fracking appears to **** up the water table and cause earth quakes. Ban it.

Jesus here we go, yet another oilignoramous.

And Jesus said....Here Yea Frack Fluid! Osmosis through inches of steel and concrete, one after the other and I say unto you...sneak into fresh water aquifer and sit there invisible...unable to be found....and I shall deliver oilignoramouses to proclaim your presence...!!

 

[RGR]

Time for majority leader Reid to push a bill banning fracking and coal ;0)

says the guy using both to say that both should be stopped....

 

[RGR]

There's no reason why 20-30% of our energy mix can't be renewable or sources like nuclear. Places like Briton, Germany and parts of the eastern sea board of this country have already hit peak in those finite sources.

And the other 70-80% from those finite resources that are oh so capable of running throughout this century, and which you have no trouble using to tell the rest of us that everyone should be as solar oriented and EVed as the likes of I?

Please...just another blue sky dreamer without a damn clue how to power the planet, let alone stop using fossil fuels themselves.

 

[PMZ]

There's no reason why 20-30% of our energy mix can't be renewable or sources like nuclear. Places like Briton, Germany and parts of the eastern sea board of this country have already hit peak in those finite sources.

And the other 70-80% from those finite resources that are oh so capable of running throughout this century, and which you have no trouble using to tell the rest of us that everyone should be as solar oriented and EVed as the likes of I?

Please...just another blue sky dreamer without a damn clue how to power the planet, let alone stop using fossil fuels themselves.

Clearly you have found a cure for AGW other than eliminating GHGs. Can't wait to read all about it.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Yet, because no fracking company has existed without being subsidized, others believe this argument cannot be substantiated. The former Vice President of Mitchell Energy, Dan Steward even acknowledged the role of federal support in developing natural gas: "They did a hell of a lot of work and I can't give them enough credit for that. DOE (Department of Energy) started it, and other people took the ball and ran with it. You can't diminish DOE's involvement." Steward went on to add, "Government has to be looking down the road. We really cannot wait to develop those other energies. Industry doesn't look as far down the road as the government should."

In 2011, the New Alternative Transportation to Give Americans Solutions Act (NAT GAS Act) was proposed. This would grant billions of dollars to the development of vehicles run on compressed natural gas. Again, just like those arguing on behalf of solar or wind power, NAT GAS supporters have claimed that the bill will add thousands of jobs, cut energy prices, and lessen America's energy dependence.

President Obama has openly supported government subsidies for natural gas and fracking, taking credit for its recent successes. And like his support for "clean coal," Obama's support for subsidies for these fossil fuels has drawn criticism from many supporters of increased renewable energy. Meanwhile, others have criticized the President's support for the alternative energy sector. The history of government subsidies for energy research, development and production makes the current discussion very complicated and reveal the many nuances behind it. What the Guys Who Want to be President Want to Do on the Environment - The Wire

The recent boom in natural gas and fracking in light of significant government support help make the debate over the government's role in energy very interesting. The key, however, in this debate, as in most debates, is finding consistency. All forms of energy in America have long been subsidized. Should this continue to be the case? There have certainly been successes and failures in all energy fields. But would America be better off with less regulation, fewer subsidies, but increased risk? When attempting to come to a conclusion over this, it is crucial that the full history be examined and assessed. The current state of affairs does not provide sufficient evidence for a conclusion to this question.

Fracking: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) | Bigger Pie Forum

The Breakthrough Institute - Interview with Dan Steward, Former Mitchell Energy Vice President

Also we have want from 1% in 2000 to 25%(some sources say 30%+) in 2012 of using shale natural gas. The old sources no longer draw the profit. Shows that nothing is forever and that we should develop infite resources of energy generation. I strongly believe they will allow us to have a more solid footing of not worrying about rather that resource will run out tomorrow. The economics over the long term make sense.

 

[ScienceRocks]

There's no reason why 20-30% of our energy mix can't be renewable or sources like nuclear. Places like Briton, Germany and parts of the eastern sea board of this country have already hit peak in those finite sources.

And the other 70-80% from those finite resources that are oh so capable of running throughout this century, and which you have no trouble using to tell the rest of us that everyone should be as solar oriented and EVed as the likes of I?

Please...just another blue sky dreamer without a damn clue how to power the planet, let alone stop using fossil fuels themselves.

Silicon will never run out as it is a huge part of our crust. Those rare metals are all over the solar system and will give us a reason to move off of this planet.

 

[flacaltenn]

Time for majority leader Reid to push a bill banning fracking and coal ;0)

So lemme get this straight. You cant sell your junk without intimidation.. so you want folks to be cold enough and hungry enough to bend over and just take it....

 

[flacaltenn]

Time for majority leader Reid to push a bill banning fracking and coal ;0)

And like a true politician Democrat Reid will give a fracking exemption to the geothermal industry.

So looks like in addition to proposing a ban that kills Solar, you have now proposed a ban that will kill The Geysers Geothermal plants as well as the Geothermal Plants on the Salton Sea.

Nice work, who's side are you on?

ABSOLUTELY correct. We LEARNED how to frack from GeoThermal Mining..

Bet Matthew had no idea he was supporting a dirty ole mining operation..

 

[PMZ]

Time for majority leader Reid to push a bill banning fracking and coal ;0)

So lemme get this straight. You cant sell your junk without intimidation.. so you want folks to be cold enough and hungry enough to bend over and just take it....

People will be cold and hungry if we do nothing. That's why it's not an option.

 

[flacaltenn]

There's no reason why 20-30% of our energy mix can't be renewable or sources like nuclear. Places like Briton, Germany and parts of the eastern sea board of this country have already hit peak in those finite sources.

I hope to heaven that we we're not stupid or pig-headed enough to repeat the mistakes that Germany has made.. They have torn up entire Alpine Mountain Sides to build pumped water storage for their token renewable load.. And in many cases, after all the money and enviro damage this causes --- they shut it down..

For U.S., Germany Offers a Cautionary Clean Energy Tale - World Report (usnews.com)

Lesson 3: It's important to coordinate energy storage and renewables.

One of the generally accepted truths when adding more intermittent renewable energy to the grid is that the grid must either gain more capacity to store energy or become “smarter” to better match supply and demand. Germany has been a leader in energy storage, boasting almost two dozen pumped storage hydroelectric plants. One of the largest, Niederwartha, has been in operation for over eighty years. During times of low electricity demand and prices, the plant uses cheap energy to pump water into storage. When peak prices hit during times of high demand, the plant releases pent up water, generating electricity and profit.

Sounds ideal, and it is, as long as the timing is right — but oftentimes it isn't. Too often, pumped storage plants are timed to release energy during peak daylight hours, when they end up competing directly with subsidized solar energy generation. And so Niederwartha, profitable for many years, may be shut down. Without this previously compelling business model, new designs slated for construction may never be built, despite a need for future energy storage.

While Germany's amount of electricity from renewable energy rose 10.2 percent in 2012, electricity generated by coal plants also grew by 5 percent. So even with all of the growth in renewables, the bottom-line need for baseload generation means that total carbon dioxide emissions increased from 2011 to 2012.

The U.S. should learn from Germany's pollution-increasing shutdown of its nuclear fleet by improving its regulatory environment and loan programs for nuclear power. While the U.S. isn't shutting down nuclear power stations by the handful, as is happening in Germany, low natural gas prices combined with solar and wind subsidies have led some companies to decommission plants.

Think tearing up pristine mountain sides is clean and green Matthew?

 

[ScienceRocks]

It increased because they done away with nuclear.

More fossil fuel use.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Quarterly Japanese solar PV module demand rises above 2 GW, imports more than half

Demand for solar photovoltaic (PV) modules in Japan rose 27% sequentially to 2.07 GW from July through September 2013, according to figures released by the Japan Photovoltaic Energy Association (JPEA).

This represents a more than four-fold increase from a year ago. Imported PV again met more than half of demand during the quarter, rising to 58% or 1.20 GW.

This puts Japan at 5.45 GW of demand in the first nine months of 2013. If this level of demand continues during the fourth quarter the nation will ship the 7 GW that analysts have predicted for 2013, making Japan the world's second-largest market in 2013 after China.

KW49*|*Quarterly Japanese solar PV module demand rises above 2 GW, imports more than half*-*SolarServer

 

[ScienceRocks]

Germany saw increased emissions in greenhouse gases last year due to more coal and gas usage while the country seeks to develop its renewable energy sources, officials said Monday.


Germany, which has committed to phase out nuclear power, emitted the equivalent of around 931 million tonnes of carbon dioxide in 2012, or 14 million tonnes more than a year earlier, the federal environment agency said.

Read more at: German greenhouse gas emissions rose in 2012

This is why it is idiotic to phase out nuclear if you hate co2.

 

[PMZ]

Germany saw increased emissions in greenhouse gases last year due to more coal and gas usage while the country seeks to develop its renewable energy sources, officials said Monday.


Germany, which has committed to phase out nuclear power, emitted the equivalent of around 931 million tonnes of carbon dioxide in 2012, or 14 million tonnes more than a year earlier, the federal environment agency said.

Read more at: German greenhouse gas emissions rose in 2012

This is why it is idiotic to phase out nuclear if you hate co2.

Hopefully, all of the resistance to nuclear will have everyone searching for design solutions.

 

[flacaltenn]

Germany saw increased emissions in greenhouse gases last year due to more coal and gas usage while the country seeks to develop its renewable energy sources, officials said Monday.


Germany, which has committed to phase out nuclear power, emitted the equivalent of around 931 million tonnes of carbon dioxide in 2012, or 14 million tonnes more than a year earlier, the federal environment agency said.

Read more at: German greenhouse gas emissions rose in 2012

This is why it is idiotic to phase out nuclear if you hate co2.

WHY did they have to increase coal when they've invested so heavily in wind/solar?

Easy --- Wind and solar are NOT backbone generators... . Solar is a Peaker.. Wind is a pesky gimmick..