GunnyL said:Did I say you were?
heh... :happy2:
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GunnyL said:Did I say you were?
onthefence said:This subject is where my moderate politics kick in. This thread was supposed to be about using kids for political gain. Since it has shifted into the Gays are good/Gays are bad debate, I'll throw in my 2 cents. I'll be waiting to called a liberal, traitorous nut. I don't what I'll called, but here you go.
Homosexuals are the new Women and African-Americans. Women and African-Americans were in the past seen as less-than-citizens. Women were denied the right to vote and African-Americans were enslaved. They both overcame and have made great strides in securing equal protection under the law. Homosexuals simply want the same protection.
What makes homosexuals bad parents? In the past, single mothers have been seen as a "bad parent." I'm pretty sure that there are a few out there that have proved that assertion wrong. Should these children stay in orphanages instead? Hell, pro-lifers, here's the abortion solution. Outlaw abortion and give the children that are given up for adoption, because of the abortion ban, to gay couples.
I'm all for what these gay parents are trying to achieve, but damn it, leave the children out of it.
GunnyL said:And I would rather see kids raised in orphanages than by gay couples.
onthefence said:This is moronic. Orphanages can't supply the guidance a child needs. With the exception of the Masonic Homes and a few Christian facilities around the country, they tend to be breeding grounds for criminals. As for me, I'd rather see kids grow up to be homos than criminals. Homos are funnier.
GunnyL said:Now if you want to talk "moronic," attempting to correct a wrong with another wrong would fit the bill nicely.
onthefence said:Like punishing a murderer with say, an execution?
manu1959 said:how do same sex couples provide opposite sex parental role models?
GunnyL said:A punishment befitting the crime. Nothing moronic about that either. A murderer denies another human being the most precious thing a person has -- life. He is denied the same. Works for me.
But I don't see the correlation between that and letting homo's adopt orphans because orphanages are corrupt.
onthefence said:How do single mothers provide oppisite sex parental role models? This is an irrelevant argument.
onthefence said:The correlation is your assertion of correcting a wrong with a wrong. What you consider wrong may not be what someone else considers wrong. Hell, children raised by gay couples may grow up to be the most morally minded people on the planet. Many christian homes produce gay children. Maybe the oppisite could be true. You may not belive it could happen, but it could happen.
Dr Grump said:The best way to ascertain if something affects you is taking a literal example and see how it interferes with your life - ie somebody murders my brother. That is gonna have a huge impact on my life. Then, say, a gay couple move in next door. Now, unless I start taking a fancy to my best friend or start to take a liking to lilac and pink, they will have no affect on me whatsoever. So why does anyone care or make an issue of their sexual orientation?
Finally, the original premise of this thread? See OCA and Gunny's posts - that's why they are doing what they are doing. Coulda used a better forum, but as long as bigotry exists, people will go to extremes I guess..
manu1959 said:just because you say it is so does not make it so....
my question remains.....where does a young boy learn to be a father, a man, a husband in a house without one? two women can not teach that.
onthefence said:My question is just as valid, yet is not considered in the same category. Where can that same young boy learn those things while being raised by one woman? Single motherhood is no longer seen, by the majority, as abnormal. One day homosexual parenting will be seen the same.
Dr Grump said:The best way to ascertain if something affects you is taking a literal example and see how it interferes with your life - ie somebody murders my brother. That is gonna have a huge impact on my life. Then, say, a gay couple move in next door. Now, unless I start taking a fancy to my best friend or start to take a liking to lilac and pink, they will have no effect on me whatsoever. So why does anyone care or make an issue of their sexual orientation?
Finally, the original premise of this thread? See OCA and Gunny's posts - that's why they are doing what they are doing. Coulda used a better forum, but as long as bigotry exists, people will go to extremes I guess..
GunnyL said:If Billy and Bobby move in next door and keep their sexual orientation within the walls of their house, then it isn't anyone's business. That doesn't seem to be the issue here.
GunnyL said:If I'm supposed to do the white guy feel bad thing because you call me a bigot for believing homsexuals are sexually aberrant people, you're wasting your time.
manu1959 said:you find your son on his knees in his bedroom with your neighbors boy....betcha that would scar your retina
manu1959 said:.Then, say, a christian couple move in next door. Now, unless I start speaking in tounges to my best friend or start to take a liking to the bible and moral behaviour, they will have no effect on me whatsoever. So why does anyone care or make an issue of their religious beliefs?
GunnyL said:A sad day that will be too when abnormal is accepted as normal.