mamooth
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Non-retards understand that radiation isn't magic. It's tied to physical particles, which don't teleport across the Pacific Ocean.
Fukishima: A REAL global disaster!!!
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Non-retards understand that radiation isn't magic. It's tied to physical particles, which don't teleport across the Pacific Ocean.
skookerasbil
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yuk......yuk.........
I love magic..........
Study: 28% Increase In Thyroid Problems In Babies Born After Fukushima in Alaska, California, Hawaii, Oregon and Washington | Zero Hedge
I love magic..........
Study: 28% Increase In Thyroid Problems In Babies Born After Fukushima in Alaska, California, Hawaii, Oregon and Washington | Zero Hedge
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mamooth
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Nah, you love junk science
Are Babies Dying in the Pacific Northwest Due to Fukushima? A Look at the Numbers | Observations, Scientific American Blog Network
Basically, your cranks fixed the data. But, being as you are a denialist, data fudging would be your thing.
Oh, you'll be wanting to cut down on the picture spam, as there are rules against such spamming. People have been patient with your assholery, but patience is wearing thin.
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Old Rocks
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First, I see no evidence that the Fukushima meltdown is at present worse than Chernoble. However, the potential is far greater if the spent rods go critical.
That being said, the potential for damage from global warming is a certainty. Just on a longer time frame.
That being said, the potential for damage from global warming is a certainty. Just on a longer time frame.
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But you are stating that Ray and making an implication that we have the ability to avert the damage ( no way to prove that a certainty by the way).
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Radioactive Bluefin Tuna Caught Off California Coast | Liberals Unite
Every bluefin tuna tested in the waters off California has shown to be contaminated with radiation that originated in Fukushima. Every single one.
Every bluefin tuna tested in the waters off California has shown to be contaminated with radiation that originated in Fukushima. Every single one.
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Old Rocks
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFs8vMjTL7U]Fukushima Professor Michio Kaku Explains Fukushima Situation (2011) - YouTube[/ame]
From 2011.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-q01qX2Q0U]China Syndrome at Fukushima, Melted Cores Moved Into the Earth, Japan Gov't in Chaos 8/10/13 - YouTube[/ame]
today
From 2011.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-q01qX2Q0U]China Syndrome at Fukushima, Melted Cores Moved Into the Earth, Japan Gov't in Chaos 8/10/13 - YouTube[/ame]
today
mamooth
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The cores are in the pressure vessels. We know this because there is zero plutonium or uranium contamination.
The spent rods can't go critical. No, dropping a rod can't do it. The designers of the pools aren't morons. There's no neutron reflector around it, the spacing is wider, so it's not possible to get the necessary neutron multiplication.
The spent rods in the pools could have melted down when they had freshly pulled fuel rods in them. At Fukushima, they can't melt down now, even if the water is drained. 2.5 years later, the decay heat has decayed too far down.
The spent rods can't go critical. No, dropping a rod can't do it. The designers of the pools aren't morons. There's no neutron reflector around it, the spacing is wider, so it's not possible to get the necessary neutron multiplication.
The spent rods in the pools could have melted down when they had freshly pulled fuel rods in them. At Fukushima, they can't melt down now, even if the water is drained. 2.5 years later, the decay heat has decayed too far down.
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Damn. Been looking at reports from both conservative and liberal sources. Nobody has any good news, or even pretends that this is not an extremely dangerous situation. In fact, all too many are stating that there is no good news at all here.
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Well, I hope you are correct. Because if this fellow is correct, we are in trouble.
Nuclear Expert: Fukushima spent fuel has 85 times more cesium than released at Chernobyl ? ?It would destroy the world environment and our civilization? an issue of human survival? -Former UN adviser | Department of Nuclear Engineering
[...] I asked top spent-fuel pools expert Mr. Robert Alvarez, former Senior Policy Adviser to the Secretary and Deputy Assistant Secretary for National Security and the Environment at the U.S. Department of Energy, for an explanation of the potential impact of the 11,421 rods.
I received an astounding response from Mr. Alvarez [updated 4/5/12]:
In recent times, more information about the spent fuel situation at the Fukushima-Dai-Ichi site has become known. It is my understanding that of the 1,532 spent fuel assemblies in reactor No. 304 assemblies are fresh and unirradiated. This then leaves 1,231 irradiated spent fuel rods in pool No. 4, which contain roughly 37 million curies (~1.4E+18 Becquerel) of long-lived radioactivity. The No. 4 pool is about 100 feet above ground, is structurally damaged and is exposed to the open elements. If an earthquake or other event were to cause this pool to drain this could result in a catastrophic radiological fire involving nearly 10 times the amount of Cs-137 released by the Chernobyl accident.
The infrastructure to safely remove this material was destroyed as it was at the other three reactors. Spent reactor fuel cannot be simply lifted into the air by a crane as if it were routine cargo. In order to prevent severe radiation exposures, fires and possible explosions, it must be transferred at all times in water and heavily shielded structures into dry casks.. As this has never been done before, the removal of the spent fuel from the pools at the damaged Fukushima-Dai-Ichi reactors will require a major and time-consuming re-construction effort and will be charting in unknown waters. Despite the enormous destruction cased at the Da–Ichi site, dry casks holding a smaller amount of spent fuel appear to be unscathed.
Based on U.S. Energy Department data, assuming a total of 11,138 spent fuel assemblies are being stored at the Dai-Ichi site, nearly all, which is in pools. They contain roughly 336 million curies (~1.2 E+19 Bq) of long-lived radioactivity. About 134 million curies is Cesium-137 — roughly 85 times the amount of Cs-137 released at the Chernobyl accident as estimated by the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection (NCRP). The total spent reactor fuel inventory at the Fukushima-Daichi site contains nearly half of the total amount of Cs-137 estimated by the NCRP to have been released by all atmospheric nuclear weapons testing, Chernobyl, and world-wide reprocessing plants (~270 million curies or ~9.9 E+18 Becquerel).
It is important for the public to understand that reactors that have been operating for decades, such as those at the Fukushima-Dai-Ichi site have generated some of the largest concentrations of radioactivity on the planet.
Many of our readers might find it difficult to appreciate the actual meaning of the figure, yet we can grasp what 85 times more Cesium-137 than the Chernobyl would mean. It would destroy the world environment and our civilization. This is not rocket science, nor does it connect to the pugilistic debate over nuclear power plants. This is an issue of human survival. [...]
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great link Ray......good find.
Anybody who is believing "official" reports on what is going on there is just off the reservation k00k
Anybody who is believing "official" reports on what is going on there is just off the reservation k00k
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skookerasbil
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Hey Ray....Im seeing a lot of differing opinions on the cooling/lack of cooling and rupture of these rods......confusing as hell. Some are saying it is absolutely catastrophy beyond imagination and some people say this is hyped crap and danger would remain very local.
What say you???
What say you???
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Old Rocks
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Well, some of the rods are lacking their zirconium clading because of the initial fire. The racks are damaged, and the building is already tilting as the ground beneath is saturated with water. TEPCO is worried enough about the safety of the rods that they are going to use human operators rather than a computer. Can I say how dangerous this operation is? No. But from what I have read from nuclear physicists, the chance of having some of the rods go critical if there is an accident is high. We are not talking about a nuclear explosion, but a melting of the rods with a column of heated and very radioactive particles in the plume. And if the wind is towards Tokyo, the results could be catastrophic.
Now as for the continueing leaks into the ocean. This is much an analog for global warming. No one is going to die right away from the resultant radiation. But as millions are exposed to increased radiation there will be a number that will develop cancer. Can we say the radiaton caused an individual cancer? No. Only that there will be an increased number of cancers for a given number of individuals.
The melted reactor cores. Are they within the container? TEPCO has not given out enough information for anyone to know. The people with the most experiance in this type of disaster, the Russians, immediatly offered personnel and equipment to Japan after the disaster. They did not even recieve a no thank you. They were simply ignored. And now we see how truly amateurish the Japanese governments and TEPCO's actions have been. If we do see a reactor core hit the water table, the people of Japan will pay dearly for that incompetance.
All in all, a really serious situation, with little information coming out of Japan that can give us the means to gauge just how serious.
Now as for the continueing leaks into the ocean. This is much an analog for global warming. No one is going to die right away from the resultant radiation. But as millions are exposed to increased radiation there will be a number that will develop cancer. Can we say the radiaton caused an individual cancer? No. Only that there will be an increased number of cancers for a given number of individuals.
The melted reactor cores. Are they within the container? TEPCO has not given out enough information for anyone to know. The people with the most experiance in this type of disaster, the Russians, immediatly offered personnel and equipment to Japan after the disaster. They did not even recieve a no thank you. They were simply ignored. And now we see how truly amateurish the Japanese governments and TEPCO's actions have been. If we do see a reactor core hit the water table, the people of Japan will pay dearly for that incompetance.
All in all, a really serious situation, with little information coming out of Japan that can give us the means to gauge just how serious.
mamooth
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Has zero experience with nuclear power. He got a political appointment at DoE, which he was soon after fired from after he was caught running a pot farm. And while marijuana is not bad, flagrantly breaking the laws of the land after you swore to uphold them does represent a certain degree of moral iffiness. Not to mention the simple awful judgement of a 54-year-old high-level federal employee trying to run a pot farm. Oh, he was also married to a professional (as in, made a living off it) anti-nuke activist.
That's typical of leaders of the current nuclear panic crowd. Technically clueless, morally iffy, and with a history of making a profit through hyping anti-nuke hysteria. Frauds, that is. Arnie Gundersen is the other one with a history of fraud running back for many years.
Now, the issue of contaminated water. Few of these stories bother saying just what the level of contamination in the water is. They just scream that it's a world-destroying catastrophe in the making. But after searching, I found it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/w...n-groundwater-near-fukishima-plant.html?_r=1&
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The operator said it had found strontium-90 at 30 times Japan’s safety limit in groundwater near its No. 2 reactor
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So, thirty times nuthin' is ... carry the ten ... still nearly nuthin'. No, you shouldn't drink such water regularly, but even if you did drink only such water for the rest of your life, it would probably do ... nothing. Slightly elevated cancer risk. So that's what the current mega-panic is about. Instead of declaring the imminent end of humanity, the more rational response would be to post a "no fishing" sign in the area.
Dosage matters. Those "contaminated" tuna had 3% more radiocaesium than pre-fuku. For comparison, you'd still get more radiation from eating a banana than from eating an entire tuna.
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Fukushima radiation levels '18 times higher' than thought
BBC News - Fukushima radiation levels '18 times higher' than thought
Yeah.........why worry about this? Clearly, global warming is a far more serious imminent disaster!! Who cant see that?
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