Freed Sudanese cameraman calls Gitmo history's worst jail

[JimH52]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080505/ap_on_re_af/sudan_guantanamo_journalist

Something else bush can be proud of.

 

[AllieBaba]

That's right. The Sudanese should be telling us how to torture people properly.

 

[jillian]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080505/ap_on_re_af/sudan_guantanamo_journalist

Something else bush can be proud of.

Because, of course, we should aim for the lowest possible denominator in how we treat people.

 

[AllieBaba]

We certainly treat them better than they treat our warriors when they get their hands on them.

But I'm sure you aren't interested in that.

 

[Larkinn]

That's right. The Sudanese should be telling us how to torture people properly.

He's a citizen, hes not part of their government. He doesn't torture people.

 

[Yurt]

Because, of course, we should aim for the lowest possible denominator in how we treat people.

you have that fixed already, so essplain us....

 

[Swamp Fox]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080505/ap_on_re_af/sudan_guantanamo_journalist

Something else bush can be proud of.

So one guy complains out of all the people who have been held there and it's the worst prison ever. C'mon, I'm sure there are plenty of prisons that are worse. Maybe our little cameraman needs to get out more and tour different places before he makes pronouncements of this type.



PS.........IT'S A FUCKING PRISON, IT AIN'T A FUCKING RESORT! DUMBASS, IT'S SUPPOSED TO SUCK!

 

[Larkinn]

So one guy complains out of all the people who have been held there and it's the worst prison ever. C'mon, I'm sure there are plenty of prisons that are worse. Maybe our little cameraman needs to get out more and tour different places before he makes pronouncements of this type.

Actually a lot of people have complained.

PS.........IT'S A FUCKING PRISON, IT AIN'T A FUCKING RESORT! DUMBASS, IT'S SUPPOSED TO SUCK!

Well if its supposed to suck maybe we could, oh I don't know, TRY them first to make sure they are guilty?

 

[jillian]

So one guy complains out of all the people who have been held there and it's the worst prison ever. C'mon, I'm sure there are plenty of prisons that are worse. Maybe our little cameraman needs to get out more and tour different places before he makes pronouncements of this type.



PS.........IT'S A FUCKING PRISON, IT AIN'T A FUCKING RESORT! DUMBASS, IT'S SUPPOSED TO SUCK!

Supposed to suck? Maybe. But we're not supposed to set up Gulag's to avoid the Geneva Convention as well as our own laws about habeas corpus. Funny how that works.

 

[AllieBaba]

He's a citizen, hes not part of their government. He doesn't torture people.

He's an American citizen??

 

[Larkinn]

He's an American citizen??

No...

Other countries have citizens as well you know.

 

[AllieBaba]

And of course we should give them equal say in how we run our prisons.

 

[Larkinn]

And of course we should give them equal say in how we run our prisons.

Considering he was in Gitmo and you've never been near the place, I'd say he has a greater say than you do actually.

 

[jillian]

Hey, wait.. didn't we overthrow the leader of a soveign country and occupy that country to "liberate" its people?

oops... guess it's okay when *we* have a say over other countries prisons.

 

[AllieBaba]

Let's compare our prisons to the prisons in the Sudan.

If they stand head and shoulders above us in the civil liberties and kindnesses they show their prisoners, then I'll consider their opinion on what consistitues a good prison.

If they are rife with human rights violations and fanatics, then I will assume this "journalist" is a state-sponsored mole who is paid to provide propaganda which make their own pathetic and trod-upon populace feel a little better about their own situations.

 

[AllieBaba]

Hey, wait.. didn't we overthrow the leader of a soveign country and occupy that country to "liberate" its people?

oops... guess it's okay when *we* have a say over other countries prisons.

Yes, we did. And they're thankful that we did, and helped us do it.

 

[Larkinn]

Let's compare our prisons to the prisons in the Sudan.

As I said, the journalist was a civilian.

If they stand head and shoulders above us in the civil liberties and kindnesses they show their prisoners, then I'll consider their opinion on what consistitues a good prison.

Again, the journalist was a civilian.

If they are rife with human rights violations and fanatics, then I will assume this "journalist" is a state-sponsored mole who is paid to provide propaganda which make their own pathetic and trod-upon populace feel a little better about their own situations.

Oh, I see. Sorry I was thinking we were talking about reality and not assuming completely unverified bullshit to make your point seem more sound.

 

[AllieBaba]

Yeah, the government-controlled Sudanese press are the people we should have telling us what constitutes "human rights".

You guys are morons. If there's a member of the Sudanese press at Gitmo, he has one purpose and one purpose only: to promote atrocities committed in their own country, and make themselves look better by comparison.

The real reporters get killed, imprisoned, and shut down. So a reporter who is welcomed home with loving arms is highly suspect:

http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/08/sudan080103.htm
"The court also convicted the Monitor's editor, Nhial Bol, and the article's author, William Ezekiel, of crimes against the state, and fined the newspaper 400,000 Sudanese dinars (U.S.$1,554).

"By closing the Monitor, the government is escalating its campaign against media criticism of its policies," said Jemera Rone, Sudan researcher at Human Rights Watch. "This shutdown has a chilling effect on the entire news business in Sudan, reminding editors and owners that they publish at their peril."

The latest shutdown occurred just two days after the Monitor had resumed production after a 2-month closure. A Khartoum criminal court had ordered the newspaper shut down for two months for failure to pay criminal fines imposed on May 9. The fines penalized the paper's publisher for running an article that the court found "incited hatred" by allegedly misquoting the Qu'ran."

There's that.
http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?page=imprimable&id_article=20082
"Sudanese authorities closed al-Sudani despite a new constitution adopted on 9 July 2006 enshrining press freedom, accusing it of illegally publishing articles about the beheading of a Sudanese journalist."

Then there's that.
The real journalists get shut down. A Sudanese "reporter" in Gitmo, who is awarded a hero's welcome in Sudan has one purpose and one purpose only: make the US look bad so Sudan looks better. And if he doesn't, then it's certainly his livelihood, if not his life. Because the Sudan government does NOT treat any but their own journalists like that. Which makes me think he probably is a war criminal.
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[Larkinn]

Yeah, the government-controlled Sudanese press are the people we should have telling us what constitutes "human rights".

He is FROM Sudan. He doesn't work for a Sudanese newspaper. You do get this nonsubtle and completely obvious difference, yes?

You guys are morons. If there's a member of the Sudanese press at Gitmo, he has one purpose and one purpose only: to promote atrocities committed in their own country, and make themselves look better by comparison.

Right because he chose to go to Guantanamo Bay with a "purpose"

The real reporters get killed, imprisoned, and shut down. So a reporter who is welcomed home with loving arms is highly suspect:

Ah, guilt by association. What a fun game.

By the way...Ad hominem attacks on this guy and his culture don't excuse the conditions at Gitmo.

 

[AllieBaba]

If he was not imprisoned upon his return to Sudan, then he works for the government, dimrod. Which is probably what landed him there in the first place.

Use that huge noggin of yours and think it out.