Free Choice Act? 44 Newspapers Oppose This Union Deception

[editec]

This issue is, I am informed WAY MORE COMPLEX than is being described by the UNION BUSTING folks here are attempting to frame it.

I haven't read the bill but here's the WIKI take on this debate

Under current labor law, the U.S. National Labor Relations Board will certify a union as the exclusive representative of employees if it is elected by either a majority signature drive, the card check process, or by secret ballot NLRB election, which is held if more than 30% of employees in a bargaining unit sign statements asking for representation by a union. If enacted, this bill would require the NLRB to certify a bargaining representative without directing an election if a majority of the bargaining unit employees signed cards, the card check process.[1]

Here are the FOUR VERSIONS of the H.R.800 for the 110th Congress currently under consideration

Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress):

Per usual, understanding the subtlities of these proposed bills requires that we not only read those bills, but the bills that they often are merely making changes to.

I don't have the time to figure this one out, but frankly I seriously doubt that anyone on this board can easily explain it to me, because I doubt that it's as simple as these headlines you guys are posting leads us to think.

 

[WillowTree]

This issue is, I am informed WAY MORE COMPLEX than is being described by the UNION BUSTING folks here are attempting to frame it.

I haven't read the bill but here's the WIKI take on this debate

Under current labor law, the U.S. National Labor Relations Board will certify a union as the exclusive representative of employees if it is elected by either a majority signature drive, the card check process, or by secret ballot NLRB election, which is held if more than 30% of employees in a bargaining unit sign statements asking for representation by a union. If enacted, this bill would require the NLRB to certify a bargaining representative without directing an election if a majority of the bargaining unit employees signed cards, the card check process.[1]

Here are the FOUR VERSIONS of the H.R.800 for the 110th Congress currently under consideration

Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress):

Per usual, understanding the subtlities of these proposed bills requires that we not only read those bills, but the bills that they often are merely making changes to.

I don't have the time to figure this one out, but frankly I seriously doubt that anyone on this board can easily explain it to me, because I doubt that it's as simple as these headlines you guys are posting leads us to think.

so, are the ballots gonna be secret or not? What's complicated about that? doyathink?

 

[SwingVoter]

You can bet if this passes, I will do my best to not purchase any goods or hire any services from union ran industries.

this turd of a bill is DOA, last time they voted on it no one paid attention, this time the southern Dems, especially Pryor and Lincoln in Arkansas, realize their re-election chances are dead if they don't let this thing get filibustered into history

 

[garyd]

It derserves to not be filibustered to death but to be shot, castrated, and hung up to dry as an example of the sort of bill that has only it's 2 or 3 sponsors voting for it in the whole house and senate and then the sponsors losing reelection in a landslide so that such wholly unamerican nonsense might never be brought before the people's representatives and senators again...

 

[SwingVoter]

No. Apparently nobody remembers Jimmy Carter's presidency, when things were a hundred times worse.

People have gotten so soft and content they have nothing better to do but whine about the imaginary problems of other people...while they sip their microbrews and poke at their computers.

Post of the day

I couldn't drive in 1979, but I could sit in a hour long gas line in order for my dad to get his 3 gallon ration.

 

[SwingVoter]

hung up to dry as an example of the sort of bill that has only it's 2 or 3 sponsors voting for it

..which is an issue, when one of its sponsors last time around, Sen Pryor of Arkansas, is now saying he might join the GOP in filibustering it

if it ever came close to passing, I would act like a union member and not work, in order to do everything to stop its passage

I'd also say it's time for Michigan to make its lazy, Socialist ass part of Canada, until it learns that you're guaranteed high unemployment when you base your economy on whining and industries that peaked 100 years ago.

 

[garyd]

1. Saddam Came to power.

2. The Ayatollahs took over Iran

3. The malaise speech.

4. Double digit interest rates unemploymet approaching double digits

5. Interest rates approaching 22%

6. Inflation rates in closing on 10%

And that's just the short list.

That's the last time the Dems held both houses of Congress and the Presidency for more than 2 years.

 

[SwingVoter]

This issue is, I am informed WAY MORE COMPLEX

who's informing you? you can think for yourself, right?

Actually, this issue is the result of a compromise, the hard left didn't just want card check, they wanted to remove the ability of states under Taft-Harley to enact right-to-work laws. I live in a Southern state that has such a law, and promise you there would have been a revolt if they did that to us. Pelosi and Reid told the unions there would be no chance of repealing right-to-work, so they let Congressmen Sherman of Calif propose it, and then let it die without even making it to a floor vote.

 

[SwingVoter]

That's the last time the Dems held both houses of Congress and the Presidency for more than 2 years.

Clinton wasn't like Carter though, Carter had that naive road-to-hell-is-paved-with-good-intentions thing that always lead us to hell, Clinton just wanted to act like the devil and seduce hot interns, which lead us to some pretty good times

 

[Gord]

Clinton wasn't like Carter though, Carter had that naive road-to-hell-is-paved-with-good-intentions thing that always lead us to hell, Clinton just wanted to act like the devil and seduce hot interns, which lead us to some pretty good times

Wrong:


http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/65273-bill-clintons-third-term-3.html#post925374

 

[garyd]

Bill clinton only had a Democratic Congress for 2 years, hence the four years designation...

 

[jillian]

Those who have read George Orwell’s chilling novel, 1984, in which slogans like “education is slavery” are part of the brainwashing propaganda of the Ministry of Truth (MINITRUE), would appreciate the even worse deception of Big Labor-the owners and masters of today’s Democrat Party.

Big Labor wants to take away the secret ballot from workers everywhere, so they can use thug tactics into intimidating workers to sign a card on the spot to accept a union.

The deception comes from calling this un-American bill, The Employee Free Choice Act-EFCA

Public employees unions have grown into one of the most powerful and intimidating and negative forces in the United States because all levels of government have become job factories to repay Democrats with votes.

The private sector, however, has seen union membership drop off by millions, who have learned that unions do not exist for the welfare of 300 million consumers nor for 156 million workers but do exist for the several million remaining union members and their many corrupt leaders, too many of whom, have felony records for corruption, thug tactics, stealing funds while living like kings.

Hopefully Americans in large numbers will let their representatives know how outrageous it would be for Democrats to make EFCA a law.

The newspapers can be found at Laborpains.org.

How disingenuous. Some anti-union corporatist talking about how bad this bill is for workers. lol.. yeah, like minimum wage laws, health care, etc. real bad... unless of course you work for a living and aren't waiting around for the corporatists to toss you the odd bone here and there.

you're being dishonest about what you're saying. and the double speak propaganda is to be found in your anti-worker site. but thanks anyway. and the coalition supporting the bill is bi-partisan. so again... totally dishonest. Typical right-winger who would have a heart attack if a corporation has to pay a dolalr in taxes but is mortally wounded if a worker busting his butt makes a living wage.

the right wing hates unions because they organize votes for democrats and has spent the past three decades trying to destroy unions. This bill, while imperfect, levels the playing fields and keeps people from being fired because of union organizing.

 

[xsited1]

 

[tigerbob]

This bill, while imperfect, levels the playing fields and keeps people from being fired because of union organizing.

What's imperfect about it in your opinion? I've read what you have said in support of it, but I'd be interested to see what your reservations are as well.

You are right that a lot of animosity toward unions from the right stems from the role the unions play in being Democrat boosters, but a lot of it also stems from the perceived corruption among union leaders over decades and the perception that unions, while critically important to the rights of oppressed workers years ago, have spent the last few decades making more and more outrageous demands to the point where the American (union member) worker is no longer competitive.

Please note, I am saying that these are the perceptions, not necessarily my perceptions.

 

[editec]

The decline in the quality of life of the middle class coincides with the decline in union members in this nation.

Coincidence?

I don't think so.

 

[garyd]

Sorry I haven't experienced a decline. And most people if they do the actual math instead of listening to leftist hand wringers haven't either. Define middle Class just for openers...

 

[driveby]

All of you fucking clowns that are for this bill, wouldn't be if you owned a business.

50% plus one "sign up" and the union is in, wtf ?

If union and company don't come to an agreement, it's turned over to a federal arbitrator ? fuck that ....

Sounds like a real economy boomer to me ....

 

[Opinurmynd]

I am a union worker, but I don't support this bill if it includes getting rid of the secret ballot vote. The privacy of ones vote in this matter is of equal importance as one's right to privacy in electoral voting. It is one's choice as to how policy affects their life, in this case job, on a daily basis and should not have to be shared with others if they do not wish. The passing of this bill would bring negative actions and feelings towards those who do not agree with others and could, and most likely would, lead to intimidation, unwarranted lay offs, and possibly that person becoming permanently unhirable non union shops if the shop does not become a union shop. I back my brothers in the union, and the union makes sure we are treated fairly in regards to wages, healthcare, and benefits, but I can't back this bill.

On a side note, the problem with unions I've noticed, is that some workers don't care about the overall situation of the economy or the trade so long as they receive their paychecks. They want raises regardless and better everything else each time a new contract is to be negotiated. This causes the trades to bid themselves right out of contracts. Thankfully my trade has not done this and after talking with some of my fellow workers, I don't think it will anytime soon. We have a contract expiring in the next few months and we won't be negotiating for a raise considering the economic situation.

 

[indago]

editec wrote: "The decline in the quality of life of the middle class coincides with the decline in union members in this nation. Coincidence? I don't think so.The decline in the quality of life of the middle class coincides with the decline in union members in this nation."

garyd wrote: "Sorry I haven't experienced a decline. And most people if they do the actual math instead of listening to leftist hand wringers haven't either. Define middle Class just for openers..."

Journalist Geraldine Fabrikant reported for the New York Times 13 February 2007:

MTV Laying Off 5.5% of Staff

Journalist Claudia Deutsh reported for the New York Times 9 February 2007:

Kodak Cuts Another 3,000 Jobs ... on top of the 25,000 to 27,000 it had already said would be gone by the end of 2007.

Journalist Ian Austen reported for the New York Times 8 February 2007:

Nortel to Cut Another 3,900 Jobs ...About 1,000 of those positions will be shifted to lower-cost operations in Mexico, China and India.

Journalist Andrew Pollack reported for the New York Times 23 January 2007:

Pfizer said yesterday that it would cut 7,800 workers, ... The new layoffs are in addition to 2,200 that Pfizer announced last month, when it cut its American sales force by 20 percent.

It just goes on, and on, and...


From CNN 3 October 2008:

Well, let's hope that Congress does no more for a while. Apparently they won't because there's too much real work to be done. It's remarkable to see taking hard earned tax dollars from working men and women, our middle class, moving that money to corporate America, to Wall Street, the very same people who claim that the free markets that have devastated working people in this country and our middle class over the last decade, those people are no longer talking about their free markets.

They're delighted to have intervention. There's no discussion of the fact by this Congress, this president or either political party or either presidential candidate about the impact of off shoring and outsourcing of jobs and putting our working class — our working middle class into direct competition with the cheapest foreign labor in the world.

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[RodISHI]

This is a ridiculous policy.

If secret ballots are good enough to elect a President, they are good enough to certify a union.

I agree.