France record temperature.....more fakery!!

[Billy_Bob]

Obtuse?

Finally figure the rabbit whole you were going down and decide to shut up?

Who shut up ?

Explain the science behind asphalt then. Put up or shut up.

This is a very basic concept. The mass of the parking lot is BLACK, which absorbs more energy from the sun creating a higher temperature above it. Thermometers in close proximity develop what is called "sensor bias" because the near area air temperature is artificially increased by the asphalts warming of it.

The main problem of the HCN (Historical Climate Network) is due to changes around many of the sensor sites where data is collected. This is known by scientists as the Urban Heat Island Effect or UHI. This develops around cities where most of our climatic stations are located. This is the reason US-CRN was created. to remove this artificial, man made-land use change, bias from the data.

We know, by empirical experiment, if there are enough sensors affected the combined aggregate temperature will be artificially raised.

Wow you must have a college education..

 

[Wyatt earp]

Finally figure the rabbit whole you were going down and decide to shut up?

Who shut up ?

Explain the science behind asphalt then. Put up or shut up.

This is a very basic concept. The mass of the parking lot is BLACK, which absorbs more energy from the sun creating a higher temperature above it. Thermometers in close proximity develop what is called "sensor bias" because the near area air temperature is artificially increased by the asphalts warming of it.

The main problem of the HCN (Historical Climate Network) is due to changes around many of the sensor sites where data is collected. This is known by scientists as the Urban Heat Island Effect or UHI. This develops around cities where most of our climatic stations are located. This is the reason US-CRN was created. to remove this artificial, man made-land use change, bias from the data.

We know, by empirical experiment, if there are enough sensors affected the combined aggregate temperature will be artificially raised.

Wow you must have a college education..

Lol

 

[basquebromance]

carbon is a necessary nutrient for plant life. climate change is the secular religion of the left!

 

[evenflow1969]

I do not please explain?

Obtuse?

Finally figure the rabbit whole you were going down and decide to shut up?

Who shut up ?

Explain the science behind asphalt then. Put up or shut up.

This is a very basic concept. The mass of the parking lot is BLACK, which absorbs more energy from the sun creating a higher temperature above it. Thermometers in close proximity develop what is called "sensor bias" because the near area air temperature is artificially increased by the asphalts warming of it.

The main problem of the HCN (Historical Climate Network) is due to changes around many of the sensor sites where data is collected. This is known by scientists as the Urban Heat Island Effect or UHI. This develops around cities where most of our climatic stations are located. This is the reason US-CRN was created. to remove this artificial, man made-land use change, bias from the data.

We know, by empirical experiment, if there are enough sensors affected the combined aggregate temperature will be artificially raised.

Thank you Billy Bob, about time some ne knew what the fuck they were talking about. So what you are saying is thAt do to increased amount of ashalt which stores and then radiates heat constantly for long periods of time these weather stations readings are thrown off as compared to lets say the 1930's. Seeing how concrete and asphalt are need for ingress and egress for your poroperty, how far would you say the nearest asphalt or concrete is from where you live Billy Bob?

 

[ph3iron]

The next reading will be from a parked Puegoet sitting in the sun at Charles de Gaulle airport

Such garbage as usual.
My daughter and friends are in France.
It's hot
Look where it was measured if you can figure out where the Mediterranean is.
Ah well Irish, no dogs, blacks or Irish in London apt Windows
"A great people ruined by drink"

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The next reading will be from a parked Puegoet sitting in the sun at Charles de Gaulle airport

Such garbage as usual.
My daughter and friends are in France.
It's hot
Look where it was measured if you can figure out where the Mediterranean is.
Ah well Irish, no dogs, blacks or Irish in London apt Windows
"A great people ruined by drink"

You're a goofy loon

 

[Billy_Bob]

Obtuse?

Finally figure the rabbit whole you were going down and decide to shut up?

Who shut up ?

Explain the science behind asphalt then. Put up or shut up.

This is a very basic concept. The mass of the parking lot is BLACK, which absorbs more energy from the sun creating a higher temperature above it. Thermometers in close proximity develop what is called "sensor bias" because the near area air temperature is artificially increased by the asphalts warming of it.

The main problem of the HCN (Historical Climate Network) is due to changes around many of the sensor sites where data is collected. This is known by scientists as the Urban Heat Island Effect or UHI. This develops around cities where most of our climatic stations are located. This is the reason US-CRN was created. to remove this artificial, man made-land use change, bias from the data.

We know, by empirical experiment, if there are enough sensors affected the combined aggregate temperature will be artificially raised.

Thank you Billy Bob, about time some ne knew what the fuck they were talking about. So what you are saying is thAt do to increased amount of ashalt which stores and then radiates heat constantly for long periods of time these weather stations readings are thrown off as compared to lets say the 1930's. Seeing how concrete and asphalt are need for ingress and egress for your poroperty, how far would you say the nearest asphalt or concrete is from where you live Billy Bob?

Land use change is the primary reason that the HCN is no longer a reliable source for climate monitoring. The problems in France show that it is a global problem, in poor site control and care. The one in the OP overstated the warming by 1.9 deg C compared to 5 other privately owned and cared for weather stations within one mile of it. Even two of the French Meteorological sites (within 5 miles) show the temperature was overstated.

The evidence is clear that this is a case of sever station change bias.

 

[evenflow1969]

Finally figure the rabbit whole you were going down and decide to shut up?

Who shut up ?

Explain the science behind asphalt then. Put up or shut up.

This is a very basic concept. The mass of the parking lot is BLACK, which absorbs more energy from the sun creating a higher temperature above it. Thermometers in close proximity develop what is called "sensor bias" because the near area air temperature is artificially increased by the asphalts warming of it.

The main problem of the HCN (Historical Climate Network) is due to changes around many of the sensor sites where data is collected. This is known by scientists as the Urban Heat Island Effect or UHI. This develops around cities where most of our climatic stations are located. This is the reason US-CRN was created. to remove this artificial, man made-land use change, bias from the data.

We know, by empirical experiment, if there are enough sensors affected the combined aggregate temperature will be artificially raised.

Thank you Billy Bob, about time some ne knew what the fuck they were talking about. So what you are saying is thAt do to increased amount of ashalt which stores and then radiates heat constantly for long periods of time these weather stations readings are thrown off as compared to lets say the 1930's. Seeing how concrete and asphalt are need for ingress and egress for your poroperty, how far would you say the nearest asphalt or concrete is from where you live Billy Bob?

Land use change is the primary reason that the HCN is no longer a reliable source for climate monitoring. The problems in France show that it is a global problem, in poor site control and care. The one in the OP overstated the warming by 1.9 deg C compared to 5 other privately owned and cared for weather stations within one mile of it. Even two of the French Meteorological sites (within 5 miles) show the temperature was overstated.

The evidence is clear that this is a case of sever station change bias.

So I see we should choose places where there is no concrete or asphalt to locate these stations right?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Who shut up ?

Explain the science behind asphalt then. Put up or shut up.

This is a very basic concept. The mass of the parking lot is BLACK, which absorbs more energy from the sun creating a higher temperature above it. Thermometers in close proximity develop what is called "sensor bias" because the near area air temperature is artificially increased by the asphalts warming of it.

The main problem of the HCN (Historical Climate Network) is due to changes around many of the sensor sites where data is collected. This is known by scientists as the Urban Heat Island Effect or UHI. This develops around cities where most of our climatic stations are located. This is the reason US-CRN was created. to remove this artificial, man made-land use change, bias from the data.

We know, by empirical experiment, if there are enough sensors affected the combined aggregate temperature will be artificially raised.

Thank you Billy Bob, about time some ne knew what the fuck they were talking about. So what you are saying is thAt do to increased amount of ashalt which stores and then radiates heat constantly for long periods of time these weather stations readings are thrown off as compared to lets say the 1930's. Seeing how concrete and asphalt are need for ingress and egress for your poroperty, how far would you say the nearest asphalt or concrete is from where you live Billy Bob?

Land use change is the primary reason that the HCN is no longer a reliable source for climate monitoring. The problems in France show that it is a global problem, in poor site control and care. The one in the OP overstated the warming by 1.9 deg C compared to 5 other privately owned and cared for weather stations within one mile of it. Even two of the French Meteorological sites (within 5 miles) show the temperature was overstated.

The evidence is clear that this is a case of sever station change bias.

So I see we should choose places where there is no concrete or asphalt to locate these stations right?

Duh!

Here is how we determine the US-CRN sites.
What’s a USCRN Station?

 

[SSDD]

Is it really possible that someone couldn’t see the inherent problems with locating data stations near roads, parking lots, air conditioners, or airport runways.

 

[evenflow1969]

Explain the science behind asphalt then. Put up or shut up.

This is a very basic concept. The mass of the parking lot is BLACK, which absorbs more energy from the sun creating a higher temperature above it. Thermometers in close proximity develop what is called "sensor bias" because the near area air temperature is artificially increased by the asphalts warming of it.

The main problem of the HCN (Historical Climate Network) is due to changes around many of the sensor sites where data is collected. This is known by scientists as the Urban Heat Island Effect or UHI. This develops around cities where most of our climatic stations are located. This is the reason US-CRN was created. to remove this artificial, man made-land use change, bias from the data.

We know, by empirical experiment, if there are enough sensors affected the combined aggregate temperature will be artificially raised.

Thank you Billy Bob, about time some ne knew what the fuck they were talking about. So what you are saying is thAt do to increased amount of ashalt which stores and then radiates heat constantly for long periods of time these weather stations readings are thrown off as compared to lets say the 1930's. Seeing how concrete and asphalt are need for ingress and egress for your poroperty, how far would you say the nearest asphalt or concrete is from where you live Billy Bob?

Land use change is the primary reason that the HCN is no longer a reliable source for climate monitoring. The problems in France show that it is a global problem, in poor site control and care. The one in the OP overstated the warming by 1.9 deg C compared to 5 other privately owned and cared for weather stations within one mile of it. Even two of the French Meteorological sites (within 5 miles) show the temperature was overstated.

The evidence is clear that this is a case of sever station change bias.

So I see we should choose places where there is no concrete or asphalt to locate these stations right?

Duh!

Here is how we determine the US-CRN sites.
What’s a USCRN Station?

I see, yet I thought you belived man made items can not effect long term temperature. So you see under this belief heat islands are impossible. Thins like carbon, methane, and asphalt can not possibly raise temperature long term.

 

[Sunsettommy]

you are an idiot. france jus

What a joke.........you cant even make this shit up!!. Check out where the temperature measurement was taken from >>

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/29/frances-new-hottest-recorded-temperature-ever-is-in-question-guess-where-it-was-measured/

Wont even raise and eyebrow to any climate crusader. Which begs the question........why?

Zombieism is ghey.

France just like us has multiple weather stations. YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.

You didn't read the link since it was SPECIFICALLY talking about the location that produced a record high, it is an obviously contaminated site.

Next time stick with the article at hand, then you might not look so ignorant and dumb.

Meanwhile past history is your teacher:

France’s 70-Day Heat Wave Of 1911 Killed 41,000 In “Uninterrupted Heat”, Most Were Babies

and,

Record High Temperatures in France: 3 Facts the Media Don’t Tell You

There are meteorological maps in the link showing that a corresponding deep cold region is right next door to the European heatwave region.

You are the one ignorant and dumb these readings were taken from multiple sites so go blow your self.

Again you make clear you didn't read the ARTICLE that discusses the LOCATION where a record high was recorded was discovered to be from a contaminated site, meaning that the record might not be valid, not only that you ignore additional information about additional temperature readings and regional weather that I posted.

It is clear you are another brainless jerk who shows profound disinterest in learning the whole story. The heatwave in Western Europe is nearly matched with a Coldwave in the East part of Europe, but your stupidity kept you from learning this.

I wrote this that you didn't think over rationally since I did acknowledge there is a regional heatwave:

There are meteorological maps in the link showing that a corresponding deep cold region is right next door to the European heatwave region.

Why do you guys keep on conflating weather and climate? It really isn't that hard. You want weather. Look at a thermometer. Want climate you look at those readings over extended periods of time and then calculate averages. Guess what? Averages all point up.

It is clear you have nothing left, since you have deflected to a bogus Weather isn't climate bullcrap, when my comments have been about Weather ONLY!

This thread is about WEATHER events, Record high claims are made which some have been shown to be from contaminated sites. This expose has NOT been challenged by you once factually, thus your replies are empty and dead on arrival.

Those heat waves in France that really bothers them are NORMAL Summer highs in my area and lot hotter in many areas of the West, such as Phoenix Arizona where the average July high is 104 degrees F. yet there are over 1.6 MILLION people living there, without a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth over 110 degrees F. days they get every Summer.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Averages all point up.

Only in altered data sets. Empirical observations, unaltered, show cooling since 1998.

Got a link? I'd be interested to read that.

Us skeptics generally mention to you climate crusaders that to date, there has not been a single paper published in which the claimed warming due to our activities has been empirically measured, quantified, and blamed on greenhouse gasses...and the generally ask for something simple like a single piece of observed, measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability..and you people never seem to be able to mange even a single piece of such evidence to support your position....we are skeptics because there simply is no actual evidence to support the claims...but feel free to prove me wrong...show me some actual observed measured evidence which supports the AGW hypothesis over natural variability...

Climate crusaders are dumb for being so gullible that they swallow a piss poor hypothesis like the AGW hypothesis when there is not any actual evidence to support it...and the tragic thing is that they don't seem to know that there is no actual evidence to support it...Hell, I bet you are thinking to yourself that there is plenty of evidence....and you probably even think you have seen some...but you aren't going to be able to show even a single piece because in reality...no such evidence exists...so in the end, the best you will be able to do is offer up some lame excuse for not being able to provide any such evidence.

There are tons of papers on the subject. Going from sea level measurements. To ice core data. To simple temperature measurements. Just one example. Increases in greenhouse forcing inferred from the outgoing longwave radiation spectra of the Earth in 1970 and 1997 Natural variations don't account for the rapidity of the changes. Natural variations can be traced. Solar activity, volcanic activity, earth rotation around its axis nothing fits the current changes. Except that is one.... human activity.
See science does measure quantify and look for evidence. The way I see it simply denying without providing a decent hypothesis to explain the data is faith.
You will find not a SINGLE climatologist or Oceanoligist who denies climate change and you will find few if any, in any other branch of science. What do you think it means that climate change denying finds no credible champions among those that actually research it?

Climate change is real. Human effect on it is still unproven.

Actually, since the onset of the industrial revolution, we've changed the composition of our atmosphere quite a bit.

Actually...no we haven't...recently I have posted at least 8 published studies which find that our effect on the total atmospheric CO2 is vanishingly small...you "know" that we have changed the composition of the atmosphere like you "know" that the emperors new clothes are simply lovely...it is a fiction. The fact is that we don't produce enough CO2 to even overcome the year to year variations in the earth's own CO2 making machinery.

People who believe that we are adding a great deal of CO2 to the atmosphere are most always suffering from a lack of perspective and scale... A single cup of water is nothing to us, but a disaster of epic proportions to an ant colony. From the perspective of an individual, the amount of CO2 we produce must seem enormous....but alas, to the atmosphere, the amount of CO2 we produce is barely noticeable... Here, perhaps this will assist you in developing some sense of the scale involved...

June was the hottest ever recorded on Earth

Whoopie do!

The IPCC every 5 years would publish PER DECADE warming projections of at least .20C, based on Emission scenarios and warm forcing guesses, yet it NEVER reached the minimum in any decade. Since 1998 the total warming trend have been well below the AGW conjecture says it should warm:

Wow, it was about .10C TOTAL in two decades!



LINK

 

[Billy_Bob]

This is a very basic concept. The mass of the parking lot is BLACK, which absorbs more energy from the sun creating a higher temperature above it. Thermometers in close proximity develop what is called "sensor bias" because the near area air temperature is artificially increased by the asphalts warming of it.

The main problem of the HCN (Historical Climate Network) is due to changes around many of the sensor sites where data is collected. This is known by scientists as the Urban Heat Island Effect or UHI. This develops around cities where most of our climatic stations are located. This is the reason US-CRN was created. to remove this artificial, man made-land use change, bias from the data.

We know, by empirical experiment, if there are enough sensors affected the combined aggregate temperature will be artificially raised.

Thank you Billy Bob, about time some ne knew what the fuck they were talking about. So what you are saying is thAt do to increased amount of ashalt which stores and then radiates heat constantly for long periods of time these weather stations readings are thrown off as compared to lets say the 1930's. Seeing how concrete and asphalt are need for ingress and egress for your poroperty, how far would you say the nearest asphalt or concrete is from where you live Billy Bob?

Land use change is the primary reason that the HCN is no longer a reliable source for climate monitoring. The problems in France show that it is a global problem, in poor site control and care. The one in the OP overstated the warming by 1.9 deg C compared to 5 other privately owned and cared for weather stations within one mile of it. Even two of the French Meteorological sites (within 5 miles) show the temperature was overstated.

The evidence is clear that this is a case of sever station change bias.

So I see we should choose places where there is no concrete or asphalt to locate these stations right?

Duh!

Here is how we determine the US-CRN sites.
What’s a USCRN Station?

I see, yet I thought you belived man made items can not effect long term temperature. So you see under this belief heat islands are impossible. Thins like carbon, methane, and asphalt can not possibly raise temperature long term.

LOL

Love the straw man arguments... SO lets burn them one at a time..

Land use changes do not cause global long term change. The earths conduction and convection cycles keep these local and limited to the region of change.

UHI is due to thermal energy storing masses in close proximity. Roads, bridges, buildings, etc within a mile of leaving these areas the temperature returns to normal. So it too is not a global issue.

Effects of CO2 and methane are both over stated in our atmosphere. The warming we have seen, which includes natural variation and other influences, is just 1/2 of CO2, specifically of its LOG value, of expected warming. All the warming we have seen globally can not be attributed to CO2, so its actual effect is less than 0.18 deg C when all other inputs and causes are included.

DO you have an other straw men you would like burned?

 

[SSDD]

This is a very basic concept. The mass of the parking lot is BLACK, which absorbs more energy from the sun creating a higher temperature above it. Thermometers in close proximity develop what is called "sensor bias" because the near area air temperature is artificially increased by the asphalts warming of it.

The main problem of the HCN (Historical Climate Network) is due to changes around many of the sensor sites where data is collected. This is known by scientists as the Urban Heat Island Effect or UHI. This develops around cities where most of our climatic stations are located. This is the reason US-CRN was created. to remove this artificial, man made-land use change, bias from the data.

We know, by empirical experiment, if there are enough sensors affected the combined aggregate temperature will be artificially raised.

Thank you Billy Bob, about time some ne knew what the fuck they were talking about. So what you are saying is thAt do to increased amount of ashalt which stores and then radiates heat constantly for long periods of time these weather stations readings are thrown off as compared to lets say the 1930's. Seeing how concrete and asphalt are need for ingress and egress for your poroperty, how far would you say the nearest asphalt or concrete is from where you live Billy Bob?

Land use change is the primary reason that the HCN is no longer a reliable source for climate monitoring. The problems in France show that it is a global problem, in poor site control and care. The one in the OP overstated the warming by 1.9 deg C compared to 5 other privately owned and cared for weather stations within one mile of it. Even two of the French Meteorological sites (within 5 miles) show the temperature was overstated.

The evidence is clear that this is a case of sever station change bias.

So I see we should choose places where there is no concrete or asphalt to locate these stations right?

Duh!

Here is how we determine the US-CRN sites.
What’s a USCRN Station?

I see, yet I thought you belived man made items can not effect long term temperature. So you see under this belief heat islands are impossible. Thins like carbon, methane, and asphalt can not possibly raise temperature long term.

Are you able to differentiate between local climate and global climate?

 

[evenflow1969]

Thank you Billy Bob, about time some ne knew what the fuck they were talking about. So what you are saying is thAt do to increased amount of ashalt which stores and then radiates heat constantly for long periods of time these weather stations readings are thrown off as compared to lets say the 1930's. Seeing how concrete and asphalt are need for ingress and egress for your poroperty, how far would you say the nearest asphalt or concrete is from where you live Billy Bob?

Land use change is the primary reason that the HCN is no longer a reliable source for climate monitoring. The problems in France show that it is a global problem, in poor site control and care. The one in the OP overstated the warming by 1.9 deg C compared to 5 other privately owned and cared for weather stations within one mile of it. Even two of the French Meteorological sites (within 5 miles) show the temperature was overstated.

The evidence is clear that this is a case of sever station change bias.

So I see we should choose places where there is no concrete or asphalt to locate these stations right?

Duh!

Here is how we determine the US-CRN sites.
What’s a USCRN Station?

I see, yet I thought you belived man made items can not effect long term temperature. So you see under this belief heat islands are impossible. Thins like carbon, methane, and asphalt can not possibly raise temperature long term.

LOL

Love the straw man arguments... SO lets burn them one at a time..

Land use changes do not cause global long term change. The earths conduction and convection cycles keep these local and limited to the region of change.

UHI is due to thermal energy storing masses in close proximity. Roads, bridges, buildings, etc within a mile of leaving these areas the temperature returns to normal. So it too is not a global issue.

Effects of CO2 and methane are both over stated in our atmosphere. The warming we have seen, which includes natural variation and other influences, is just 1/2 of CO2, specifically of its LOG value, of expected warming. All the warming we have seen globally can not be attributed to CO2, so its actual effect is less than 0.18 deg C when all other inputs and causes are included.

DO you have an other straw men you would like burned?

You are the one that explained the effect of asphalt not me, now you wanna go change that effect when is does not fit your over all theory. Were you ful;l of shit then or now? It has to be one or the other.

 

[evenflow1969]

Thank you Billy Bob, about time some ne knew what the fuck they were talking about. So what you are saying is thAt do to increased amount of ashalt which stores and then radiates heat constantly for long periods of time these weather stations readings are thrown off as compared to lets say the 1930's. Seeing how concrete and asphalt are need for ingress and egress for your poroperty, how far would you say the nearest asphalt or concrete is from where you live Billy Bob?

Land use change is the primary reason that the HCN is no longer a reliable source for climate monitoring. The problems in France show that it is a global problem, in poor site control and care. The one in the OP overstated the warming by 1.9 deg C compared to 5 other privately owned and cared for weather stations within one mile of it. Even two of the French Meteorological sites (within 5 miles) show the temperature was overstated.

The evidence is clear that this is a case of sever station change bias.

So I see we should choose places where there is no concrete or asphalt to locate these stations right?

Duh!

Here is how we determine the US-CRN sites.
What’s a USCRN Station?

I see, yet I thought you belived man made items can not effect long term temperature. So you see under this belief heat islands are impossible. Thins like carbon, methane, and asphalt can not possibly raise temperature long term.

Are you able to differentiate between local climate and global climate?

I said nothing about global climate. So I guess man can only effect climate where there is asphalt and concrete. How far is it away from your house? This weather station read 113 a record for that weather station period. It is not fakery. Other weather station measure the same. Those conditions existed at that weather station the day before the reading and many consecutive days before that and this was the highest reading ever. Many other weather stations around Europe recorded record Temps this is a fact. That all being said this is a measurement of weather not cliomate. Your argument and the argument made by this article is that these man made conditin effect the temperature readings consistantly which is a climate statement. Effect consistantly is climate, man made items effecting temp consistantly which is against your matra. You can not have it both ways. Asphalt ,conrete, and other heat trapping materials are present all over the globe all day every day these areas are hotter by this articles argument and in reality. Cities will be hotter than rural areas on a consistant basis due to these heat trapping items being prevelent in these areas, there by driving up average temp on a consistant basis. MAn made items can make it hotter by your own admision. Asphalt will drive up temp every day admited by this thread.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Land use change is the primary reason that the HCN is no longer a reliable source for climate monitoring. The problems in France show that it is a global problem, in poor site control and care. The one in the OP overstated the warming by 1.9 deg C compared to 5 other privately owned and cared for weather stations within one mile of it. Even two of the French Meteorological sites (within 5 miles) show the temperature was overstated.

The evidence is clear that this is a case of sever station change bias.

So I see we should choose places where there is no concrete or asphalt to locate these stations right?

Duh!

Here is how we determine the US-CRN sites.
What’s a USCRN Station?

I see, yet I thought you belived man made items can not effect long term temperature. So you see under this belief heat islands are impossible. Thins like carbon, methane, and asphalt can not possibly raise temperature long term.

LOL

Love the straw man arguments... SO lets burn them one at a time..

Land use changes do not cause global long term change. The earths conduction and convection cycles keep these local and limited to the region of change.

UHI is due to thermal energy storing masses in close proximity. Roads, bridges, buildings, etc within a mile of leaving these areas the temperature returns to normal. So it too is not a global issue.

Effects of CO2 and methane are both over stated in our atmosphere. The warming we have seen, which includes natural variation and other influences, is just 1/2 of CO2, specifically of its LOG value, of expected warming. All the warming we have seen globally can not be attributed to CO2, so its actual effect is less than 0.18 deg C when all other inputs and causes are included.

DO you have an other straw men you would like burned?

You are the one that explained the effect of asphalt not me, now you wanna go change that effect when is does not fit your over all theory. Were you ful;l of shit then or now? It has to be one or the other.

Asphalt use is a LOCAL land use change... LOL more of the same alarmist drivel

 

[Billy_Bob]

Land use change is the primary reason that the HCN is no longer a reliable source for climate monitoring. The problems in France show that it is a global problem, in poor site control and care. The one in the OP overstated the warming by 1.9 deg C compared to 5 other privately owned and cared for weather stations within one mile of it. Even two of the French Meteorological sites (within 5 miles) show the temperature was overstated.

The evidence is clear that this is a case of sever station change bias.

So I see we should choose places where there is no concrete or asphalt to locate these stations right?

Duh!

Here is how we determine the US-CRN sites.
What’s a USCRN Station?

I see, yet I thought you belived man made items can not effect long term temperature. So you see under this belief heat islands are impossible. Thins like carbon, methane, and asphalt can not possibly raise temperature long term.

Are you able to differentiate between local climate and global climate?

I said nothing about global climate. So I guess man can only effect climate where there is asphalt and concrete. How far is it away from your house? This weather station read 113 a record for that weather station period. It is not fakery. Other weather station measure the same. Those conditions existed at that weather station the day before the reading and many consecutive days before that and this was the highest reading ever. Many other weather stations around Europe recorded record Temps this is a fact. That all being said this is a measurement of weather not cliomate. Your argument and the argument made by this article is that these man made conditin effect the temperature readings consistantly which is a climate statement. Effect consistantly is climate, man made items effecting temp consistantly which is against your matra. You can not have it both ways. Asphalt ,conrete, and other heat trapping materials are present all over the globe all day every day these areas are hotter by this articles argument and in reality. Cities will be hotter than rural areas on a consistant basis due to these heat trapping items being prevelent in these areas, there by driving up average temp on a consistant basis. MAn made items can make it hotter by your own admision. Asphalt will drive up temp every day admited by this thread.

It is obvious you have no clue how our atmosphere works or how the earth cools and releases energy. Everything in your post shows your inadequate training in atmospheric process, you dont even grasp the basics such as local vs global climate.

I wonder who you will blame when our sun remains cool and low in output and people start dying from starvation due to crop failures. You cite local areas of warming as if they can cause global change but they can not. These areas can only affect small regions near them. You seem to believe that a gnat on the back of a dog can tell the dog what it is going to do...

 

[Billy_Bob]

So you see under this belief heat islands are impossible.

You really are clueless... Heat islands are created in these areas due to the increased mass and use of heat and cooling equipment. It is also the reason they dissipate so quickly once the mass is reduced.