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Founding Fathers supported individual mandate for PRIVATELY employed sailors

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Again, as irrelevant as the auto insurance argument.

Moreover, that looks more like the original workman's comp program, rather than an individual mandate to purchase insurance from a private provider, to cover any and every possible trauma and malady.

Nice try.
 
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It's basically the same lame-assed argument...You can get around the tax by not working in the merchant fleet....Same way you can avoid paying auto insurance, by not driving.

In any case, I read the bill and it does no such thing anywhere near analogous to the travesty that was rammed up our asses....The "insurer" in this case is the feds, it charges all ships that dock in American ports (which makes it a duty: a lawfully prescribed constitutional tax), it says nothing about covering any trauma or illness not related to the trade.

In short, the author of that dreck is writing out his ass.
 

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That it shall be the duty of the several collectors to make a quarterly return of the sumscollected by them, respectively, by virtue of this act, to the secretary of the treasury ; and thepresident of the United States is hereby authorized, out of the same, to provide for the temporaryrelief and maintenance of sick, or disabled seamen, in the hospitals or other proper institutionsnow established in the several ports of the United States, or in ports where no such institutionsexist, then in such other manner as he shall direct:

Provided,

that the moneys collected in anyone district, shall be expended within the same.

So is this a mandate for saillor to buy health insurance?

The Volokh Conspiracy » An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen

A History Seminar: Obamacare Has Nothing to Do with Seamen Mandate of 1798 - Forbes
 

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That it shall be the duty of the several collectors to make a quarterly return of the sumscollected by them, respectively, by virtue of this act, to the secretary of the treasury ; and thepresident of the United States is hereby authorized, out of the same, to provide for the temporaryrelief and maintenance of sick, or disabled seamen, in the hospitals or other proper institutionsnow established in the several ports of the United States, or in ports where no such institutionsexist, then in such other manner as he shall direct:

Provided,

that the moneys collected in anyone district, shall be expended within the same.

So is this a mandate for saillor to buy health insurance?

The Volokh Conspiracy » An Act for the Relief of Sick and Disabled Seamen

A History Seminar: Obamacare Has Nothing to Do with Seamen Mandate of 1798 - Forbes
Gee...A debate within the very staff at Forbes....Whodathunkit? :eusa_whistle:
 

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The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance.
Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798 - Forbes


Founding Fathers must have hated the Constitution.

You just proved that two people cannot read. This law set up marine hospitals, and withheld the money from the wages. It applied to all ships in any US port. It was not a mandate, it was a tax. The reason it was it was Constitutional is that it was extremely limited, and actually prohibited money going from one district to another.
 

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The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance.
Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798 - Forbes


Founding Fathers must have hated the Constitution.

:eek: Why was this factoid kept from me???!

Well, that does it - I'm for obamacare now. :)cuckoo:)

Some people apparently slept through their history classes. Either that, or they stopped teaching history when the teachers started testing students.
 

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Again, as irrelevant as the auto insurance argument.

Moreover, that looks more like the original workman's comp program, rather than an individual mandate to purchase insurance from a private provider, to cover any and every possible trauma and malady.

Nice try.

The money was collected by the government, and spent by the government. No private providers involved.
 

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The law authorized the creation of a government operated marine hospital service and mandated that privately employed sailors be required to purchase health care insurance.
Congress Passes Socialized Medicine and Mandates Health Insurance -In 1798 - Forbes


Founding Fathers must have hated the Constitution.

You just proved that two people cannot read. This law set up marine hospitals, and withheld the money from the wages. It applied to all ships in any US port. It was not a mandate, it was a tax. The reason it was it was Constitutional is that it was extremely limited, and actually prohibited money going from one district to another.
Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing, innit?
 

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