Fort Bragg Making A Comeback?

It isn't a matter of objecting to a base named Ft. Liberty except that it distorts all the written history--old news articles, magazine articles, books, memoirs and such. If every person who had a building or base or monument or whatever named after him/her was required to be a saint, no person would qualify for that distinction.

And I agree Bragg was not a commendable person. But we should allow the history to stand in our historical markers everywhere. How best to instruct our children who might be curious about this or that such marker and have a reason to teach them about that history, the good and the bad.
We made a mistake in naming a Fort after Bragg and some other Confederate Generals.

Does not warrant reversing course to double down on an error

Ft Liberty is a benign name that everyone can support
 
Well, he needed something to 'Bragg' about.

I'll show Myself out, thanks...
I don’t know your personal life at all, DW. BUT, based on that “pun” (the lowest form of humor), I have a hunch.

You’re a dad, aren’t you?
 
The bottom line is that naming military bases to honor Confederate heroes is just inappropriate

Mostly because these Generals took up arms against their country and tried to destroy it.

Secondly, 20 percent of soldiers are black.
To assign them to a fort named in honor of a man who fought to keep their race in chains is offensive
 
We made a mistake in naming a Fort after Bragg and some other Confederate Generals.

Does not warrant reversing course to double down on an error

Ft Liberty is a benign name that everyone can support
The Confederacy is an important part of U.S. history regardless of how it is viewed. Many understand a freedom loving people resenting an unresponsive and oppressive government and the unalienable right to reject and break away from it as the Founders did with the Declaration of Independence and the Revolutionary War.

the Founders or Revolutionary Army and those who supported them were not evil people, at least because of their point of view. Nor were the British who tried to suppress the rebellion. Because the Revolutionaries prevailed, the world has been blessed with a strong, free, prosperous United States of America that has benefitted all the world much more than it has been a problem for it.

The Confederates and those who supported them were not evil people nor was the Union that fought to keep them from separating from the country, at least because of their points of view. The Union prevailing in that war kept the USA intact and it is easy to see that as ultimately a good thing for all.

But it's all part of our history, the good, the bad and the ugly. And the historical markers of all kinds commemorating that should be allowed and appreciated by all Americans who can benefit from learning that history from them: the good, the bad, and the ugly.
 
Very true
We should never forget

That it was an evil empire that deserves its place in history but never honored
I do not accept that it was an 'evil empire'. There was much more good than evil as was also true of the north. Historical markers are usually not intended to 'honor' but rather to commemorate aspects of history.

Our history is what it is. And all of it needs to be acknowledged and taught so each subsequent generation doesn't have to metaphorically invent the wheel before it can move forward.

Both sides had plenty of good, bad and ugly.

The enslaved deserve our understanding and sympathy for what some endured, but where is the 'honor'? They didn't choose their situation and most did nothing to change it. Those who deserve honor are those, black/white/other, who risked their reputations, fortunes, their very lives to change that situation. And it did change.

The North did not fight the Civil War to free the slaves. If that was the issue for the North, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation would have freed all slaves. It didn't. It only freed those in the seceding states and it didn't free those in states that did not secede.

The South did not fight the Civil War because they wanted to have slavery but for the right to determine their own destiny whatever that was to be. Many if not most in the Confederate Army were anti-slavery including General Lee at least according to some sources.

Commemorating important figures in that conflict on both sides, whether good, bad or ugly, is honest history.
 
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I do not accept that it was an 'evil empire'. There was much more good than evil as was also true of the north. Historical markers are usually not intended to 'honor' but rather to commemorate aspects of history.

Our history is what it is. And all of it needs to be acknowledged and taught so each subsequent generation doesn't have to metaphorically invent the wheel before it can move forward.

Both sides had plenty of good, bad and ugly.

The enslaved deserve our understanding and sympathy for what some endured, but where is the 'honor'? They didn't choose their situation and most did nothing to change it. Those who deserve honor are those, black/white/other, who risked their reputations, fortunes, their very lives to change that situation. And it did change.

The North did not fight the Civil War to free the slaves. If that was the issue for the North, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation would have freed all slaves. It didn't. It only freed those in the seceding states and it didn't free those in states that did not secede.

The South did not fight the Civil War because they wanted to have slavery but for the right to determine their own destiny whatever that was to be. Many if not most in the Confederate Army were anti-slavery including General Lee at least according to some sources.

Commemorating important figures in that conflict on both sides, whether good, bad or ugly, is honest history.

There was nothing in the Confederacy worth honoring

The Confederacy was formed to ensure slavery would exist forever
40 percent of the population was enslaved
Its economy was built on free labor enforced by the whip
It engaged in forced breeding of female slaves and the sale of the offspring
 
There was nothing in the Confederacy worth honoring

The Confederacy was formed to ensure slavery would exist forever
40 percent of the population was enslaved
Its economy was built on free labor enforced by the whip
It engaged in forced breeding of female slaves and the sale of the offspring
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Including the democrat slave owners.






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Bragg is generally considered among the worst generals of the Civil War.[1] Most of the battles he engaged in ended in defeat. Bragg was extremely unpopular with both the officers and ordinary men under his command, who criticized him for numerous perceived faults, including poor battlefield strategy, a quick temper, and overzealous discipline.[1] Bragg has a generally poor reputation with historians,


Compared to General Milley and Biden's woke DEI Generals, Bragg was probably a fucking military genius.
 
See above

Braxton Bragg was a horrible General unworthy of such a prestigious honor.

Not to mention he fought against our country
The Progs are naming an Aircraft Carrier the Doris Miller. That is a stretch. An Aircraft Carrier! A destroyer or any other ship is valid.
 
The Progs are naming an Aircraft Carrier the Doris Miller. That is a stretch. An Aircraft Carrier! A destroyer or any other ship is valid.

Well God bless him for dying to serve his country, but I'd be damned if I would have gone through life with a name like "Doris."
 
I wouldn't work there's no matter what it's called.
 
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