Fort Bragg Making A Comeback?

[Road Runner]

The army thinks so. Tired of winning yet OhPleaseJustQuit, JGalt, Thunk?

Army considering changing name of Fort Liberty back to Fort Bragg

President Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth have both criticized a 2021 law that banned the naming of military bases after confederate generals.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

The army thinks so. Tired of winning yet OhPleaseJustQuit, JGalt, Thunk?

Army considering changing name of Fort Liberty back to Fort Bragg

President Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth have both criticized a 2021 law that banned the naming of military bases after confederate generals.

www.nbcnews.com

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Thanks for the tag. Looks interesting.


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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

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Good news! Let's go, Pete!


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[Darkwind]

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Good news! Lot's go, Pete!


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Well, he needed something to 'Bragg' about.

I'll show Myself out, thanks...

 

[1srelluc]

I always considered naming it Ft. Bragg as a deep insult to the South given that everyone around Braxton Bragg (except Jeff Davis) hated his guts.

Why Braxton Bragg Was Considered One Of The Worst Generals In The Civil War - Grunge

Confederate General Braxton Bragg was responsible for one of the most significant victories of the Civil War, yet is regarded as one of the worst generals.

www.grunge.com

 

[Road Runner]

 

[Oddball]

 

[Moonglow]

you folks sure do bitch a lot about nothing.

 

[Mac-7]

Since military bases were located over most of the old South it seemed natural at the time to name them after Confederate generals/hero’s

Since that time millions of veterans trained for war on their grounds

But Americans were better educated in those days and did not harbor the radical hate and bitterness toward the South that libs have today

 

[rightwinger]

Braxton Bragg was a horrible General for the Confederacy

Why name a military base after this loser and traitor

Ft Liberty is a better name

 

[Road Runner]

Braxton Bragg was a horrible General for the Confederacy

How so?

 

[rightwinger]

How so?

Bragg is generally considered among the worst generals of the Civil War.[1] Most of the battles he engaged in ended in defeat. Bragg was extremely unpopular with both the officers and ordinary men under his command, who criticized him for numerous perceived faults, including poor battlefield strategy, a quick temper, and overzealous discipline.[1] Bragg has a generally poor reputation with historians,

Braxton Bragg - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rightwinger]

rightwinger Let me rephrase that. What do you think that he did that was so bad?

See above

Braxton Bragg was a horrible General unworthy of such a prestigious honor.

Not to mention he fought against our country

 

[Road Runner]

See above

Braxton Bragg was a horrible General unworthy of such a prestigious honor.

Not to mention he fought against our country

I deleted my post because I missed that part at first but I don't trust Wikipedia anyways. It's liberal owned.

 

[rightwinger]

James M. McPherson's reference to "the bumblers like Bragg and Pemberton and Hood who lost the West"[65] sums up the judgment of many modern historians. Bragg's shortcomings as an army commander included his unimaginative tactics, mostly his reliance on frontal assault (such as the Hornet's Nest at Shiloh, Breckinridge's assault at Stones River, and numerous instances at Chickamauga), and his lack of post-battle follow-up that turned tactical victories or draws into strategic disappointments (Perryville and Chickamauga). His sour disposition, a penchant for blaming others for defeat, and poor interpersonal skills undoubtedly caused him to be criticized more directly than many of his unsuccessful contemporaries.

 

[rightwinger]

One private, Sam Watkins, who later became a professional writer, said in his memoirs that "None of Bragg's men soldiers ever loved him. They had no faith in his ability as a general. He was looked upon as a merciless tyrant ... He loved to crush the spirit of the men." Historian Ty Seidule says that Bragg's battles often ended in defeat because of his insistence on direct frontal assaults and his "uncanny ability to turn minor wins and losses into strategic defeats.

 

[Foxfyre]

The army thinks so. Tired of winning yet OhPleaseJustQuit, JGalt, Thunk?

Army considering changing name of Fort Liberty back to Fort Bragg

President Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth have both criticized a 2021 law that banned the naming of military bases after confederate generals.

www.nbcnews.com

Torn on this one. General Bragg was not what many would call an outstanding person, but the base itself was important to the WWII effort. The history is what it is and I have objected strongly to erasing it from the American scene whether good or bad. History cannot harm us. Ignoring it can.

So I was saddened when Congress voted for the name change. It was in an amendment to a COVID relief bill that Trump vetoed because it was not sufficient in his opinion, but both houses of Congress overrode his veto which they almost never did.

So although I understand Trump pushing the name change--promises made, promises kept--I do think it should take a congressional vote to put the base names back to what they were.

Changing such long standing names confuses countless news stories, books, magazine articles, memoirs of previous times and serves no good purpose.

EDIT: One more good argument for requiring Congress to pass stand alone bills instead of sticking these kinds of things into other unrelated bills so the public can actually see what their elected leaders are voting for.

 

[Crepitus]

The army thinks so. Tired of winning yet OhPleaseJustQuit, JGalt, Thunk?

Army considering changing name of Fort Liberty back to Fort Bragg

President Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth have both criticized a 2021 law that banned the naming of military bases after confederate generals.

www.nbcnews.com

Bunch retards doing the RWNJ version of virtue signaling.

 

[rightwinger]

Torn on this one. General Bragg was not what many would call an outstanding person, but the base itself was important to the WWII effort. The history is what it is and I have objected strongly to erasing it from the American scene whether good or bad. History cannot harm us. Ignoring it can.

So I was saddened when Congress voted for the name change. It was in an amendment to a COVID relief bill that Trump vetoed because it was not sufficient in his opinion, but both houses of Congress overrode his veto which they almost never did.

So although I understand Trump pushing the name change--promises made, promises kept--I do think it should take a congressional vote to put the base names back to what they were.

Changing such long standing names confuses countless news stories, books, magazine articles, memoirs of previous times and serves no good purpose.

EDIT: One more good argument for requiring Congress to pass stand alone bills instead of sticking these kinds of things into other unrelated bills so the public can actually see what their elected leaders are voting for.

I can support honoring Gen Lee
But most of those renamed bases were named after crappy Confederates who do not deserve the honor
Especially Braxton Bragg

Who can object to Ft Liberty?

 

[Foxfyre]

I can support honoring Gen Lee
But most of those renamed bases were named after crappy Confederates who do not deserve the honor
Especially Braxton Bragg

Who can object to Ft Liberty?

It isn't a matter of objecting to a base named Ft. Liberty except that it distorts all the written history--old news articles, magazine articles, books, memoirs and such. If every person who had a building or base or monument or whatever named after him/her was required to be a saint, no person would qualify for that distinction.

And I agree Bragg was not a commendable person. But we should allow the history to stand in our historical markers everywhere. How best to instruct our children who might be curious about this or that such marker and have a reason to teach them about that history, the good and the bad.