In order to focus the debate I think it's important to clearly define the terms sex and gender. Since they are often conflated, purposefully by some, but most often out of ignorance by those that listen to those "some".
Your purported quest for honest debates starts badly when you begin by impugning the motives and/or intelligence of those who disagree with your definitions.
Sex are the biological traits that are used to define gender. Gender is the social construct with which peoples identity is defined.
Incorrect. Terms mean what people agree that they mean and the majority of people do not agree with those definitions.
A majority of survey respondents back transgender sports bans, while also supporting nondiscrimination protections for trans people in jobs, housing and public spaces.
www.nbcnews.com
This is a distinction that is at the heart of the discussion in my opinion, and one that is denied to exist at all, by those on the right.
The left is very good at inventing new terms. They would have done better to do that in the case of sex/gender instead of trying to force new definitions that support an agenda.
You already have in part. “Trans woman” instead of “woman” for example. May I suggest “self identification” instead of trying unsuccessfully to redefine “gender.” So, “my self identification is trans woman.”
It's the common trope. "Leftist can't tell you what a man or woman is." The implication of course being that the distinction is so clear that it's ridiculous to not be able to define a gender clearly.
Prove the trope wrong by telling us what a woman is. Bonus points, if you can do it without using the word woman in the definition.
So here's the thing. I would like to ask anyone if they can give a consistent set of biological traits that clearly designate a person as male and another for female? I bet that I can give an example of a person that has characteristics of both. Be it genetic, or anatomical.
Of course. There have been definitions of male and female, man and woman for centuries, well agreed on and change only rarely by scientific advances such as knowledge of genetics.
From Merriam Webster:
Male. a) A man or boy. b) An individual of the sex that is typically capable of producing small gametes, such as sperm, which fertilize the eggs of a female.
The fact that there are a tiny number of humans, a fraction of a percent, who fall into neither category exactly doesn’t invalidate the definitions.
This brings me to the social aspect of the question. I've yet to see any rational reason for opposing/hating the trans community that doesn't boil down to the argument that since they feel harmed (using that term very broadly) by the way people define THEMSELVES, therefore any harm (again used broadly) I cause them is justified.
I know many people that you would call “anti-trans“ and none of them ever say that. Instead, they object to real harm, such as a woman having her face broken when required to either box against a man or give up the support of boxing. Or girls robbed of scholarships and honors intended for female athletes. Or women and girls losing their privacy and safety in female spaces
So this is my second question. Can anybody give me a rational reason to assert that their rights supersede those of others?
The most rational reason of all, quoting the most rational character in the history of television, Mr. Spock: “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.”
Questions are encouraged and will be answered without deflection providing those that choose to respond engage with the 2 questions I just posed.
I believe I did engage your questions. Interested to see if you engage mine.
First, what is a woman?
My answer is a woman is an adult human female. And yours?
Second, what degree of transness if you will should be required for a person to be allowed to enter spaces intended for the opposite sex such as bathrooms, locker room, and sports teams?
My answer is that if a person has received full hormone treatments, lives as the opposite sex and had had surgery to make their genitals more or less resemble those of the opposite sex, they can claim to be that sex or gender and enter those spaces.
Except for sports teams. I believe no degree of Behavior on the part of a person born male who went through male puberty would justify them being in female sports against women who have never gone through male puberty.
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