Flip the scenario: Israel sends soldiers & citizens into Gaza, they torch homes, rape and kill 1200 Gazans, kidnap 200 citizens. How does the UN act?

[shockedcanadian]

Imagine this was the scenario. How much pressure and outrage would the UN be expressing almost a year later as 100+ were still held?

I heard the UN rep for Israel yesterday say that for, I believe a 10 year period, that Israel had 155 resolutions against them and during the same period there was a total of 88 resolutions COMBINED for all other nations in the world.

Tell me this isn't the most biased you have heard.

 

[fncceo]

How does the UN act?​

Most probably a nuclear response… if The UN had any nukes.

 

[jwoodie]

The question is how many people do you punish for the actions of a few? Not an easy answer when they are embedded in the population.

 

[shockedcanadian]

The question is how many people do you punish for the actions of a few? Not an easy answer when they are embedded in the population.

Sure, we can debate about the methods and issue of collective punishment. I would hope that leaders in the IDF wouldn't send kids to purposely kill innocent citizens. The premise is that they go after terrorists and Hamas who hide among citizens.

What also needs to be acknowledged is that they still have over 100 Israeli citizens, and, they have shown the willingness to torture, rape (men and women), and murder these hostages. This, above and beyond the fact that they started this war.

I can't see what alternative there is when citizens are kidnapped, and while Hamas still hasn't all faced justice for their day of terrorism which was the most vile. Even recorded on video in their sadism.

I'm not the type to get myself to watch the video of their terrorism, I think it's important that people do however. The suggestion anyone would give a military that is clearly going to lose, in the name of saving the lives of their own citizens; would be to surrender, lay down their arms and face justice outside of bullets.

Whether it was the Germans or Japanese. Choosing to NOT surrender illustrates what their leaders think of their own citizens.

The U.N would have been outraged and it would have been a daily dose of outrage if the tables were turned.

 

[mudwhistle]

 

[IM2]

Imagine this was the scenario. How much pressure and outrage would the UN be expressing almost a year later as 100+ were still held?

I heard the UN rep for Israel yesterday say that for, I believe a 10 year period, that Israel had 155 resolutions against them and during the same period there was a total of 88 resolutions COMBINED for all other nations in the world.

Tell me this isn't the most biased you have heard.

Imagine that the Palestinians had been expanding settlements against agreements and was allowed by the government to beat up and kill Israelis for at least 30-years.

There are 2 sides to this. Learn them both.

 

[EMH]

This attack is not believable...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/10/17/charlie_kirk_did_someone_in_israel_tell_army_to_stand_down_during_attack_thats_a_legitimate_non-conspiracy_question.html

 

[shockedcanadian]

Imagine that the Palestinians had been expanding settlements against agreements and was allowed by the government to beat up and kill Israelis for at least 30-years.

There are 2 sides to this. Learn them both.

Both sides have their grievances but only.one wants to wipe the other off of the face of the earth. Furthermore, you may forget that Egypt lost land after they surprise attacked Israel and refused to take the land back. It is a complicated situation but Israel doesn't have a goal of.eliminating all Arabs and Muslims off of the face of the earth, they have even signed peace agreements in the region. Many other nations in the region want Israel and Judaism gone forever.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

As a dictator, the UN building would be at the top of my list of things that would go bye bye.

 

[Shusha]

Imagine that the Palestinians had been expanding settlements against agreements and was allowed by the government to beat up and kill Israelis for at least 30-years.

One does not have to imagine such a thing. It is happening.

 

[Lisa558]

Imagine this was the scenario. How much pressure and outrage would the UN be expressing almost a year later as 100+ were still held?

I heard the UN rep for Israel yesterday say that for, I believe a 10 year period, that Israel had 155 resolutions against them and during the same period there was a total of 88 resolutions COMBINED for all other nations in the world.

Tell me this isn't the most biased you have heard.

Perfect example of the double stands that screams Jew-hate.

 

[Lisa558]

As a dictator, the UN building would be at the top of my list of things that would go bye bye.

That’s some mighty fine riverside property there. Wouldn’t it be poetic justice if Trump Industries bought the building, converted it to condos, and sold them at $5 million a pop and up?

 

[Lisa558]

The question is how many people do you punish for the actions of a few? Not an easy answer when they are embedded in the population.

It’s not just that. The antisemites are using this war as a pretext to spread their Jew-hate. How else would you explain the anti-Israel protests that came up ONE WEEK after the Jews were massacred?

As an example, we had news reports as to the savagery the Muslim terrorists used to torture to death 1200 innocent Jews - in the most horrifying, agaonizing ways possible - and ONE WEEK later, before Israel had even responded, there was an anti-Israel protest in Richmond! (I found out about it because one of my former leftist friends went to it.)

• Israeli Jews are massacred
• Immediate response is to rally against Israel

What does that tell you?

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Imagine this was the scenario. How much pressure and outrage would the UN be expressing almost a year later as 100+ were still held?

I heard the UN rep for Israel yesterday say that for, I believe a 10 year period, that Israel had 155 resolutions against them and during the same period there was a total of 88 resolutions COMBINED for all other nations in the world.

Tell me this isn't the most biased you have heard.

What do you think it feels like to be a Palestinian Christian living in the West Bank as a second class citizen?? They don’t have access to the lifestyle that the Israeli settlers do.

Plenty of good people in Israel and Palestine recognize the division from both sides historically , do you?

From multiple sources, there is no evidence of sexual assault by Hamas on October 7. Sure Hamas says and does a lot of things that I as a Catholic Don’t agree with. But why the hyperbole?

And even conservative Israeli supporters in America have said oct 7 may have been a false flag attack …they say rogue elements of the IDF allowed it to happen to get just a political response that we’re seeing including the response from people like you.

innocent people killed by Hamas on October 7. But a lot of those deaths on October 7 were also due to friendly fire by the IDF.


But perhaps the biggest point is this thing never started on October 7 it goes back Decades with violence from both sides.

 

[Lisa558]

What do you think it feels like to be a Palestinian Christian living in the West Bank is a second class citizen?? They don’t have access to the lifestyle that the Israeli settlers do

From multiple sources, there is no evidence of sexual assault by Hamas on October 7. Sure Hamas says a lot of things that I as a Catholic. Don’t agree with or think it’s dumb. But why the hyperbole?

And even conservative Israeli supporters in America have said this may have been a false flag attack meeting rogue elements of the IDF allowed it to happen to get just a political response that we’re seeing and response from people like you.

It does appear that there were innocent people killed by Hamas on October 7. But a lot of those deaths on October 7 were also due to friendly fire by the IDF.


But perhaps the biggest point is this thing never started on October 7 it goes back Decades with violence from both sides.

The violence is always perpetrated by the Arabs, and Israel responds to it. Let’s not pretend that barbaric terrorists who torture Jews to death, sometimes over months in tunnels, and even babies, BY INTENTION is the same as Israel pre-empting another Islamic terrorist attack, which they threaten to do until every Jew is dead.

The Palestinians had their chances for peace, but they reject Israel’s peace deals. Why? Because peace is not their objective - the elimination of Israel is.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

The violence is always perpetrated by the Arabs, and Israel responds to it. Let’s not pretend that barbaric terrorists who torture Jews to death, sometimes over months in tunnels, and even babies, BY INTENTION is the same as Israel pre-empting another Islamic terrorist attack, which they threaten to do until every Jew is dead.

The Palestinians had their chances for peace, but they reject Israel’s peace deals. Why? Because peace is not their objective - the elimination of Israel is.

I know that the thing goes back 75 years. And there’s been violence on both sides. And I know that a lot of Palestinian Christians have supported the Palestinian resistance throughout the decades in the 20th century.

There’s good and bad people on both sides.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

The violence is always perpetrated by the Arabs, and Israel responds to it. Let’s not pretend that barbaric terrorists who torture Jews to death, sometimes over months in tunnels, and even babies, BY INTENTION is the same as Israel pre-empting another Islamic terrorist attack, which they threaten to do until every Jew is dead.

The Palestinians had their chances for peace, but they reject Israel’s peace deals. Why? Because peace is not their objective - the elimination of Israel is.

Ask yourself why did October 7 happen? Look at the incredible diplomacy between Muslim majority countries and Israel before October 7 …a lot of it because of Donald Trump. So ask yourself how in the most monitored country of the world was October 7 allowed to happen?

Could be that a portion of extremist politicians in Israel did not want there to be a peace process. Hamas and extremist politicians in Israel don’t want peace.

 

[Lisa558]

I know that the thing goes back 75 years. And there’s been violence on both sides. And I know that a lot of Palestinian Christians have supported the Palestinian resistance throughout the decades in the 20th century.

There’s good and bad people on both sides.

I just explained why the both sides argument is weak, and wrong. Only ONE side hunts doen and tortures to death innocent people, including infants.

 

[Blaster]

I know that the thing goes back 75 years. And there’s been violence on both sides. And I know that a lot of Palestinian Christians have supported the Palestinian resistance throughout the decades in the 20th century.

There’s good and bad people on both sides.

Bullshit.

 

[Lisa558]

Ask yourself why did October 7 happen? Look at the incredible diplomacy between Muslim majority countries and Israel before October 7 a lot of of it because of Donald Trump. So ask yourself why in the world in the most monitored country of the world was October 7 allowed to happen?

Could be that a portion of extremist politicians in Israel did not want there to be a peace process. Hamas and extremist politicians in Israel don’t want peace.

Sounds like you’re blaming the Jews.

October 7th happened because HAMAS would not accept Israel’s offers of peace. They instead continued to initiate violence against innocent Jews, culminating in the massacre.