Five Alive

[Unkotare]

And the assignment takes four times as long to complete. Which is why it's taking 2 days.

The goal is not to finish as quickly as possible. The goal is to get as much out of it as possible.

 

[Eman623]

The goal is not to finish as quickly as possible. The goal is to get as much out of it as possible.

What do students get out of the assignment being dragged out because everything has to be sequentially repeated multiple times in languages they do not understand?

 

[Unkotare]

What do students get out of the assignment being dragged out because everything has to be sequentially repeated multiple times in languages they do not understand?

"Dragged out"? Explaining the assignment took about two minutes. Stop trying so hard.

 

[Eman623]

"Dragged out"? Explaining the assignment took about two minutes.

So it took 2 minutes to give a 30 second assignment explanation in four languages. Got it.

Now multiply that by everything that is spoken in the class. Everything is repeated multiple times. The kids are basically getting what, 50%? 33% of the education that a class of kids who all spoke the same language would get?

Stop trying so hard.

Stop pretending your class is anything approaching efficient.

 

[Unkotare]

So it took 2 minutes to give a 30 second assignment explanation in four languages. Got it.

Now multiply that by everything that is spoken in the class. Everything is repeated multiple times. The kids are basically getting what, 50%? 33% of the education that a class of kids who all spoke the same language would get?


Stop pretending your class is anything approaching efficient.

What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever taught a class?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Sometimes people don't understand what they think they are seeing. Trust me.

So, trust you who wasn't there, or trust what I saw happen well over a hundred times in ten years. Sorry, experience trumps theory every time.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The goal is not to finish as quickly as possible. The goal is to get as much out of it as possible.

And if it takes four times as long to accomplish a task, only 25% of the desired or necessary tasks get accomplished. Your students get promoted lacking 75% of the learning they should have had and that you were getting aid to give them. Which puts them behind the educational curve for their next grade and if that teacher works like you do, the problem snowballs and the end result is the Baltimore schools where none of the High School graduates can read, write or do math.

 

[Eman623]

What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever taught a class?

I've sat in on classes where they attempted to teach in multiple languages. It doesn't work very well.

 

[Unkotare]

I've sat in on classes where ....

In other words, NO.

 

[Unkotare]

... experience trumps theory every time.

I'm talking about experience. Over 30 years of this exact experience, and highly specialized training and education about this exact topic.

 

[Unkotare]

And if it takes four times as long to accomplish a task...

It's part of the task. It's a language acquisition and academic language development class.

 

[Unkotare]

.... Your students get promoted lacking 75% of the learning they should have had ...

You have no idea what you're talking about. It's almost funny.

 

[Unkotare]

And if it takes four times as long to accomplish a task, only 25% of the desired or necessary tasks get accomplished. Your students get promoted lacking 75% of the learning they should have had and that you were getting aid to give them. Which puts them behind the educational curve for their next grade and if that teacher works like you do, the problem snowballs and the end result is the Baltimore schools where none of the High School graduates can read, write or do math.

You realize I'm talking about an ESL class, right?

 

[Eman623]

In other words, NO.

I've never coached professional football either, but I can tell a good coach from a shitty one.

 

[80zephyr]

Sometimes people don't understand what they think they are seeing. Trust me.

So don't trust your own eyes?

 

[Unkotare]

I've never coached professional football either, but I can tell a good coach from a shitty one.

I have no reason to believe you can.

 

[Unkotare]

So don't trust your own eyes?

The problem is the brain, not the eyes. I've seen people losing their shit watching a 0-0 soccer game while to me it just looks like grown men dressed like children running back and forth for an hour and a half to NO effect. I've had people watch D1 national championship wrestling and find it "boring" because they can't appreciate what they are looking at. Even moreso with Sumo.

 

[BULLDOG]

I have no reason to believe you can.

Don't sweat it You have no responsibility to explain any of that to idiots, and no need to explain it to sane people. Your work is valuable, and and helps more than the students you have in your class. If the hateful and selfish fools among us can't figure that out, then fuckem.

 

[Winco]

I'm talking about experience. Over 30 years of this exact experience, and highly specialized training and education about this exact topic.

You have no idea what you're talking about. It's almost funny.

Why are you having such trouble talking to your fellow trumptards?


You guys, trumptards, speak the same language, but when it comes to 'Education Talk' they don't want to hear any of it.

You probably did a fantastic job, but not to the Cult.
They will never accept anything a teacher does.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yesterday I had an interesting experience in my last class of the day. I try to include my students in the logistics, content and conduct of a class. It makes them feel more fully involved and valued. It also shows them that their L1 and family heritage are included and respected, which can be highly motivating.

So, yesterday I had planned an activity that required some extensive instructions (not really, but try it in your second language and you'll know what I mean). I stood at the front of the class and explained the activity to the students. I also had four students "help" me ensure everyone understood what to do. This particular group could have understood me well enough in English only, and I could have translated it myself, but including the students on various levels keeps them engaged. Anyway, as I gave directions in English, I had four student standing with me at the front of the class translating in turn what I was saying. The first student in Spanish, next in French, next in Portugese, and finally in Arabic. The Arabic speaking student was the only Arabic speaker in the class, but I wanted her to feel included.

The class seemed to understand and appreciate what I was doing. We will complete the assignment today.

That’s fantastic life experience for them