Files seized at Mar-a-Lago include material on foreign nation’s nuclear capabilities

[White 6]

That sounds like a very busy place. It seems very unlikely that the FBI would pick the room you are describing to store classified documents.

From what I read, I wouldn't pick it. Any typical national guard low level unit assembly building has far better security and pass through personnel control as well, 1-3/4" 20 or 30 minute steel doors for interior offices, in metal frames with outswing non-remove pin hinges, higher grade of commercial locks with deadbolts. as well as high security heavy duty combination locking safe/file cabinet to keep low level and lower classified and sensitive document. Trump's store room that was used as well as whatever was used temporarily as a SCIF while he was President (desertified after he left office) was a joke.

 

[playtime]

Afraid of capital letters?

NOPE.

 

[bravoactual]

Trump cannot steal from himself, and neither can a Rogue FBI and a partisan-impaired DOJ.

The above statement is factually incorrect (i.e. - A BIG FAT ******* LIE!!!).

The classified material removed from the WH, did not, in anyway, shape or form belong to the Traitor. It belong to The United States Government.

Classified Material marked Secret/Top Secret/Top Secret S.C.I. does not belong one individual. The Traitor did not wave his baby sized hands and declassify them.

There policies, procedures, rules, regulations and laws that must be followed to declassify such material, it is NOT done by one man in the wayning days of his one term in office. He did not have that power.

Keeping the nuclear secrets of another country in some box in a back room is NOT secure, and why would he have such classified material?

You lie don't fly so don't even try.

 

[BackAgain]

Once more, slowly.....................once Trump was no longer president, he no longer had a SCIF as one was not required. No, Trump didn't have a SCIF after he left office.

He had a Scif at Mar A Lago. Do you claim that it got disassembled? What’s your source for that claim?

 

[BackAgain]

Have you forgotten that Trump said the FBI planted the documents?

He never said that. Why do you lie?

 

[playtime]

Yes He can......as long as it doesn't have to do with the production of or use of nuclear weapons. Documents on nuclear capability of a certain country doesn't fit the definition.

So, could Trump declassify National Defense Information at will?

Essentially, the logic is that whoever has the authority to classify documents also has the authority to declassify documents. And, all classification authority under these executive orders ultimately stems from the president, so the assertion that Trump could have declassified those documents as he saw fit is probably plausible. However, valid declassification actions require procedures, records, and logging, and arguably ought to have been marked as declassified prior to entering into private hands. This defense has never been litigated, however, so the limits a president might have in this area remain uncertain. Typically, classification violations are handled administratively—revoked security clearance, terminated employment, etc.—and not as criminal cases.

Restricted Data

National Defense Information covers pretty much every secret you can imagine, except one special category: anything relating to the production or use of nuclear weapons. This type of information has its own special legal framework that is parallel to and independent of all other secrets, although any given nuclear secret might (and frequently does) exist in both regimes simultaneously (requiring two sets of clearances, for example, and two different declassification actions, one for each system).

So can Trump declassify nuclear secrets?

One of the difficulties with all of these issues is that there is essentially no precedent in applying them to the president. Some precedent exists for presidents trying to make certain things secret at will, or for the government trying to censor the publication of secrets, but really none when it comes to presidents asserting that they have declassified something secret and thus cannot be charged for mishandling it. It just hasn’t ever been an issue before that I can see. That means that it’s difficult to predict how the courts would rule on it, because on top of the First Amendment issues, you are also getting into deep questions about the power of the president—a nebulous area when talking about national security issues. Though, again, usually the issue has gone in the other direction—with presidents expanding secrecy, not reducing it.

So can Trump declassify nuclear secrets?

One of the difficulties with all of these issues is that there is essentially no precedent in applying them to the president. Some precedent exists for presidents trying to make certain things secret at will, or for the government trying to censor the publication of secrets, but really none when it comes to presidents asserting that they have declassified something secret and thus cannot be charged for mishandling it. It just hasn’t ever been an issue before that I can see. That means that it’s difficult to predict how the courts would rule on it, because on top of the First Amendment issues, you are also getting into deep questions about the power of the president—a nebulous area when talking about national security issues. Though, again, usually the issue has gone in the other direction—with presidents expanding secrecy, not reducing it.

Alex Wellerstein is a historian of nuclear weapons at the Stevens Institute of Technology in Hoboken, New Jersey. He is the author of Restricted Data: The History of Nuclear Secrecy in the United States (University of Chicago Press, 2021).

https://www.lawfareblog.com/can-trump-just-declare-nuclear-secrets-unclassified

from yer own link:

So, could Trump declassify National Defense Information at will? Essentially, the logic is that whoever has the authority to classify documents also has the authority to declassify documents. And, all classification authority under these executive orders ultimately stems from the president, so the assertion that Trump could have declassified those documents as he saw fit is probably plausible. However, valid declassification actions require procedures, records, and logging, and arguably ought to have been marked as declassified prior to entering into private hands. This defense has never been litigated, however, so the limits a president might have in this area remain uncertain. Typically, classification violations are handled administratively—revoked security clearance, terminated employment, etc.—and not as criminal cases.

So can Trump declassify nuclear secrets?

One of the difficulties with all of these issues is that there is essentially no precedent in applying them to the president. Some precedent exists for presidents trying to make certain things secret at will, or for the government trying to censor the publication of secrets, but really none when it comes to presidents asserting that they have declassified something secret and thus cannot be charged for mishandling it.

If Trump’s purported declassification of these documents was to be taken seriously, one would expect that there would have to be a record of this somewhere, and that this would also mean that the underlying information in those documents would have to be declassified across the board: not just in those documents, but in any documents that contain them. Depending on what is in those documents, that would be a wide-ranging action with rippling effects as guidelines got updated accordingly. Clearly, it did not have that effect, or the FBI would not have seized them and declared them classified. In effect, Trump’s defense appears to be that the documents were secretly declassified.

AND he leaves some of them in his ******* desk drawer & unlocked whilst he's up north for the summer?

are you kidding me? what is wrong with you?

 

[playtime]

He had a Scif at Mar A Lago. Do you claim that it got disassembled? What’s your source for that claim?

The inventory of material taken out of Mar-a-Lago leaves in no doubt the importance of the documents discovered there. They included top secret and “sensitive compartmented information” (SCI) meaning there were restrictions on its circulation over and above its top secret status. It should normally only be in a special facility, a SCIF. A SCIF was established at Mar-a-Lago, but it operated as a secure facility only during the Trump presidency.
Nuclear or not, classified or not, Mar-a-Lago files spell out jeopardy for Trump

 

[playtime]

Did Trump move all those classified documents to Mara Lago when he was still president?

i would think so AND he had help.

 

[White 6]

He had a Scif at Mar A Lago. Do you claim that it got disassembled? What’s your source for that claim?

It was decertified after trump left office and could probably on be considered a SCIF with armed guards standing outside, while he was president.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It appears that their loyalty to Trump is far more important than the US Constitution or rule of law or national security. Demagogues sometimes have awesome power.

The problem is that this goes beyond petty blind partisanism by conservatives.

Trump placed America’s national security in jeopardy.

Trump jeopardized the lives of assets and operatives in service to American intelligence agencies.

Trump jeopardized the security of America’s allies.

And Trump jeopardized the lives of the American people.

Given all this and more, conservatives continue to support and defend Trump.

 

[playtime]

Yes

unproven.

 

[BackAgain]

It was decertified after trump left office and could probably on be considered a SCIF with armed guards standing outside, while he was president.

It was a SCIF while he was in Office. And you say it has since gotten “decertified.”

Linky?

 

[bravoactual]

He never said that. Why do you lie?

WHY DO YOU LIE???

The Traitor Make Fresh Claim That F.B.I. Planted Evidence In Shit-A-Lago Raid.

Donald Trump revives claims the FBI planted evidence in Mar-a-Lago raid, a claim his lawyers have not pursued

Donald Trump has offered a range of, at times contradictory, defences in response to the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago

www.businessinsider.com

The Traitor Appears To Undercut His Own Claim That F.B.I. Planted Classified Documents At Shit-A-Lago

Trump appeared to undermine his own claim that the FBI planted classified documents at Mar-a-Lago

In criticizing the way FBI handled evidence in its Mar-a-Lago raid, Trump appeared to admit in his Truth Social post that it wasn't planted.

www.businessinsider.com

Traitor Revives Claim The F.B.I. That THe F.B.I. Planted Evidence In Shit-A-Lago Raid.

Donald Trump revives claims the FBI planted evidence in Mar-a-Lago raid, a claim his lawyers have not pursued

Donald Trump has offered a range of, at times contradictory, defences in response to the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago

news.yahoo.com

As you are person who loves to claim that other members are lying, why do you lie so damn much?

 

[BackAgain]

WHY DO YOU LIE???

I don’t. Why did you just lie?

 

[ColonelAngus]

WHY DO YOU LIE???

You are in a cult. Please wake up.

 

[playtime]

It was decertified after trump left office and could probably on be considered a SCIF with armed guards standing outside, while he was president.

give the troll this reply - he's a wussy who has me on iggy 'cause he can't stand truth & facts.

The inventory of material taken out of Mar-a-Lago leaves in no doubt the importance of the documents discovered there. They included top secret and “sensitive compartmented information” (SCI) meaning there were restrictions on its circulation over and above its top secret status. It should normally only be in a special facility, a SCIF. A SCIF was established at Mar-a-Lago, but it operated as a secure facility only during the Trump presidency.
Nuclear or not, classified or not, Mar-a-Lago files spell out jeopardy for Trump

 

[Godboy]

From what I read, I wouldn't pick it. Any typical national guard low level unit assembly building has far better security and pass through personnel control as well, 1-3/4" 20 or 30 minute steel doors for interior offices, in metal frames with outswing non-remove pin hinges, higher grade of commercial locks with deadbolts. as well as high security heavy duty combination locking safe/file cabinet to keep low level and lower classified and sensitive document. Trump's store room that was used as well as whatever was used temporarily as a SCIF while he was President (desertified after he left office) was a joke.

The great thing about being Trump is, all his doors and locks are hand picked by the Secret Service agents who also guard the premises.

 

[bravoactual]

It was a SCIF while he was in Office. And you say it has since gotten “decertified.”

Linky?

The Traitor Had A S.C.I.F. (Emphsis on "HAD" a S.C.I.F. - "Secure Compartmented Information Facility).

Once the Traitor left the WH with tail tucked between his legs, any S.C.I,F. that may been located at Shit-A-Lago would have been decomissioned within days of his departure. Nor would such a S.C.I.F. have remaned active after Mr. Biden took office. The Traitor would not the right or purpose of right to have such a facility after he was voted out of office.

The Traitor would have no need for a S.C.I.F. The Traitor does NOT have Executive Priviledge, that Priviledge belongs to the current occupant of the WH.

 

[White 6]

It was a SCIF while he was in Office. And you say it has since gotten “decertified.”

Linky?

I'll try to look it up. Something I was reading Sunday in relation to the store room.

 

[BackAgain]

WHY DO YOU LIE???

The Traitor Make Fresh Claim That F.B.I. Planted Evidence In Shit-A-Lago Raid.

Donald Trump revives claims the FBI planted evidence in Mar-a-Lago raid, a claim his lawyers have not pursued

Donald Trump has offered a range of, at times contradictory, defences in response to the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago

www.businessinsider.com

The Traitor Appears To Undercut His Own Claim That F.B.I. Planted Classified Documents At Shit-A-Lago

Trump appeared to undermine his own claim that the FBI planted classified documents at Mar-a-Lago

In criticizing the way FBI handled evidence in its Mar-a-Lago raid, Trump appeared to admit in his Truth Social post that it wasn't planted.

www.businessinsider.com

Traitor Revives Claim The F.B.I. That THe F.B.I. Planted Evidence In Shit-A-Lago Raid.

Donald Trump revives claims the FBI planted evidence in Mar-a-Lago raid, a claim his lawyers have not pursued

Donald Trump has offered a range of, at times contradictory, defences in response to the FBI's search of Mar-a-Lago

news.yahoo.com

As you are person who loves to claim that other members are lying, why do you lie so damn much?

You misunderstood or you lied. Pick one.

“They plant evidence” is NOT a claim that they did so during the Search Warrant raid.

It was part of a litany of all that the FBI has done to him. It included, for example, the prior FISA court application. Even an imbecile like you should be aware of the planted evidence in that matter.

But again, as I correctly noted, the President NEVER said that they “planted” any evidence at Mar-A-Lago. You really should stop lying.