Feminists ask a Female CEO why she doesn't hire all women at her company

[LibertyWeeps]

Feminists ask a Female CEO why she doesn't hire all women at her company



She's not wrong. Is she?

 

[airplanemechanic]

I have always said women should get paid less for the same job, because RARELY, is it REALLY the EXACT same job.

Back in 2014 I got hired as a dispatcher for a local service company. They had recently hired a woman to do the job and they were saying she was "overworked" so they hired me to "help" her. It took almost NO time at all for me to TAKE OVER the job of dispatching this company. At one point, our software showed I input 97% of all pickups and deliveries into the system. I was answering the phones, I was inputting the data, I was dealing with the drivers, billing week I would seal the hundreds of envelopes with invoices that were due each month. She did NONE of this. I would get to work early, and stay late, if a driver needed me, or even could POSSIBLY need me. The other woman, she arrived 10-15 min late almost every day and left EXACTLY at 5pm, sometimes earlier, saying she had doctors appointments or other personal commitments. The would also take an additional 20-30 min for lunch. I would stay for lunch, I'd stay on the clock, but I'd also stay at the warehouse so if a driver called or customer needed something, they would NEVER be told "Sorry nobody here can help you." (come to find out, one time she left early leaving me with everything, and she was salaried, meaning when she left she was still paid. Well, I found her car at a local restaurant, one she worked at for a 2nd income. Just so happened I would pass it every day going home So while she did go to the doctor, she didn't return to work as she said she would, she double dipped as I passed her OTHER job while she was still supposed to be at the primary job.) She also played on facebook all day long. I eventually gave the company owner an ultimatum, either you ban her from facebook altogether or I will walk out the door. I eventually quit after 2 years of putting up with her laziness that they would just let go with no real consequences.

On the flip side of this honesty coin, when I started the owner and I had agreed to an hourly wage. When I got my first paycheck they paid me an additional 50 cents an hour more than agreed. To make SURE this wasn't an integrity test, I immediately notified the owner that my paycheck pay rate was more than we agreed to. He smiled and said "That's ok son, keep the difference."

My "co-worker", who had an identical job title as me, quickly fell behind. Our sister company, a party rental company, would have to ask ME to assist in loading some rental equipment into our field truck as my "co worker" couldn't assist. This had NOTHING to do with my job as dispatcher, but I did it to help out. She would complain she couldn't lift anything, so she was useless to the sister party rental company. So while our JOB TITLES were the same on paper, our job duties were anything but.

 

[DGS49]

Anecdotes are not helpful. If a woman is hired to do the same job with the same credentials as a man, she should be paid the same, and that is the case throughout most of the economy.

But as others have pointed out, the mythical "73 cents on the dollar" has nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with credentials, career choices, productivity, difficulty and dangers of the job, and the fact that in our culture, women generally cannot be as committed to their job as men are. Men will not decline to work overtime because they have to watch the kids, or is looking after an elderly family member. Men will not refuse a transfer or overnight travel due to kid responsibilities. A man will not call in "sick" when one of his kids is sick. But all lof this is routine among women.

I have seen several situations where women were "shoe-horned" into a position normally taken by a man, and the results were always bad. Engineers who were hired to do design work and ended up being administrators with a faux "engineer" title, and so on.

 

[MarathonMike]

Feminists ask a Female CEO why she doesn't hire all women at her company



She's not wrong. Is she?

That is EXACTLY what I saw in my 38 year career in Software engineering. Not many women to begin with, but most seemed more interested in the fast track to middle management and VERY RARELY wanted to come into the labs, touch the hardware, run the tests, write the drivers, debug the firmware and the hundreds of other things that makes someone a good engineer/programmer.

 

[Lockback]

That is EXACTLY what I saw in my 38 year career in Software engineering. Not many women to begin with, but most seemed more interested in the fast track to middle management and VERY RARELY wanted to come into the labs, touch the hardware, run the tests, write the drivers, debug the firmware and the hundreds of other things that makes someone a good engineer/programmer.

"Nobody asked me!"

 

[1srelluc]

Anecdotes are not helpful. If a woman is hired to do the same job with the same credentials as a man, she should be paid the same, and that is the case throughout most of the economy.

But as others have pointed out, the mythical "73 cents on the dollar" has nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with credentials, career choices, productivity, difficulty and dangers of the job, and the fact that in our culture, women generally cannot be as committed to their job as men are. Men will not decline to work overtime because they have to watch the kids, or is looking after an elderly family member. Men will not refuse a transfer or overnight travel due to kid responsibilities. A man will not call in "sick" when one of his kids is sick. But all lof this is routine among women.

I have seen several situations where women were "shoe-horned" into a position normally taken by a man, and the results were always bad. Engineers who were hired to do design work and ended up being administrators with a faux "engineer" title, and so on.

Ha!

When I was with DuPont they had to fire the three women working in HR......Something to do with mismanaging the fund employees would kick in money for flowers and such when someone died.

Anyway, they got a guy off the production floor who had some office experience and he ran the whole thing himself. They kept trying to put a woman or two in there over the years to "help" him but he was not having any of it other than to train up one of the office girls for when he was off.

They finally just did away with the extra positions.....He was still running it by himself when I retired.

 

[MarathonMike]

"Nobody asked me!"

Um sorry but that's a dude....who probably can't code.

 

[Lockback]

Um sorry but that's a dude....who probably can't code.

One of Biden's finest ...

 

[airplanemechanic]

Um sorry but that's a dude....who probably can't code.

Are you claiming that's a chick with a dick?

 

[MarathonMike]

Are you claiming that's a chick with a dick?

Who knows if it's still there or not, but that's a dude and an ugly M*fer at that.

 

[braalian]

The overall stats are skewed because women are more likely than men to work part time and less likely to pick up as much overtime as men.

Also, men are more likely to stick with a career for longer, consecutive years whereas women are more likely to have huge gaps.

I don’t care if you had to take off years to raise kids. If I have years more experience than a woman, I 100% deserve to make more money based on those years

The simple reality is that even in the dual income family that’s become the norm, men are still more likely to be the “main” breadwinner of the two

If you adjust the data to strictly how much men and women make per hour and adjust for years of experience I guarantee the “pay gap” disappears

 

[LibertyWeeps]

I have always said women should get paid less for the same job, because RARELY, is it REALLY the EXACT same job.

Back in 2014 I got hired as a dispatcher for a local service company. They had recently hired a woman to do the job and they were saying she was "overworked" so they hired me to "help" her. It took almost NO time at all for me to TAKE OVER the job of dispatching this company. At one point, our software showed I input 97% of all pickups and deliveries into the system. I was answering the phones, I was inputting the data, I was dealing with the drivers, billing week I would seal the hundreds of envelopes with invoices that were due each month. She did NONE of this. I would get to work early, and stay late, if a driver needed me, or even could POSSIBLY need me. The other woman, she arrived 10-15 min late almost every day and left EXACTLY at 5pm, sometimes earlier, saying she had doctors appointments or other personal commitments. The would also take an additional 20-30 min for lunch. I would stay for lunch, I'd stay on the clock, but I'd also stay at the warehouse so if a driver called or customer needed something, they would NEVER be told "Sorry nobody here can help you." (come to find out, one time she left early leaving me with everything, and she was salaried, meaning when she left she was still paid. Well, I found her car at a local restaurant, one she worked at for a 2nd income. Just so happened I would pass it every day going home So while she did go to the doctor, she didn't return to work as she said she would, she double dipped as I passed her OTHER job while she was still supposed to be at the primary job.) She also played on facebook all day long. I eventually gave the company owner an ultimatum, either you ban her from facebook altogether or I will walk out the door. I eventually quit after 2 years of putting up with her laziness that they would just let go with no real consequences.

On the flip side of this honesty coin, when I started the owner and I had agreed to an hourly wage. When I got my first paycheck they paid me an additional 50 cents an hour more than agreed. To make SURE this wasn't an integrity test, I immediately notified the owner that my paycheck pay rate was more than we agreed to. He smiled and said "That's ok son, keep the difference."

My "co-worker", who had an identical job title as me, quickly fell behind. Our sister company, a party rental company, would have to ask ME to assist in loading some rental equipment into our field truck as my "co worker" couldn't assist. This had NOTHING to do with my job as dispatcher, but I did it to help out. She would complain she couldn't lift anything, so she was useless to the sister party rental company. So while our JOB TITLES were the same on paper, our job duties were anything but.

Now that you've said all that...............

I changed from retail work to office work in 1999.
I temped a lot starting out, because even though I had the skills, I couldn't find a job on my own because I had never "done the work before". So I temped for a few years.

Once I temped long enough to have something on my resume, I finally got office jobs. Usually on the executive level of the building, or at the companys headquarters.

Most of these jobs were held by women. But when they stuck me in the mix, my bosses always ended up fawning over me, saying how they can't believe how fast and efficient I am. It would take me a few hours to do what a whole department of girls did in one or two weeks. Yet, I did it all on my own in less than a day.....and I did it correclty, logistically, and efficeintly.

Have no clue what all the girls did in their cubicles, but I was always busy in mine.

I would always get asked to do special projects and assignments, as nobody else ever did.

And yet, the women made more money than me. Nice thing is........I can quit and go somewhere else to make more money.
Which apparently is the only way you can get a raise anymore if you are a white male.