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Which is why women are more miserable today, than their ancestors.
In the attempt to get everything, and have a more 'fair' system, they have ended up with nothing, and a more unfair system.
CDZ Feminism promotes prostitution?
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Which is why women are more miserable today, than their ancestors.
In the attempt to get everything, and have a more 'fair' system, they have ended up with nothing, and a more unfair system.
So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.
Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.
But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.
I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.
Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men
One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.
“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.
“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”
The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.
In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).
“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.
“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”
Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?
Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.
To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.
I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".
One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.
That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.
And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?
I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.
What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.
I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.
No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.
This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.
My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.
The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".
SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).
Rich women who are married unhappily have sought male escorts too. Maybe those men should work harder to please their wives.
And maybe, just maybe, couples should place God at the center of their lives and realize that their happiness should not be their number one focus.
Instead, if they learn to love each other by serving one another's needs and learn to be happy once God frees them from sin and hate, maybe marriages can be saved.
I watched the movie "The Case for Christ" where this man's wife converted to Christianity. He hated the idea and threatened to leave her and drank and became abusive. By all rights she had the option to divorce him and move on, however, she inexplicably stayed with him and prayed for him and he later converted himself. They have been happily married ever since.
Does this always happen? No. Am I saying women need to stay in abusive relationships? No, but it does show us what the real problem is.
Again not everyone is religious. If religious people are choosing not tpo marry they need to work on the root cause of the problem. Not all religious people are Christian. Some are Jewish, Buddhist , Hindu, etc.
People have always been allowed to have whatever religious beoief they choose and to live according to theirbeliefs. They are also allowed to not be religious. The laws are clear about that.
If a Guy doesn't want to marry an american woman and he is happy with a women from another country, good for him.
If a woman doesn't want to marry or be religious but she is not breaking any laws, good for her.
None of the unmarried women I know are unhappy.
There certainly in a Country of 318 Million people are going to be unhappy people. Men and Women for various reason including unhappy for not being married.
But I wouldn't say ALL or Most women who aren't married are unhappy. Reading the opinions in this thread it sounds more like Religious people are unhappy and men who wish American women were religious or submissive are unhappy.
I haven't read anyone female self-identifying as a feminist reporting herself as unhappy because American men want to marry women from other countries. Maybe someone will step up and identify as feminist and unhappy about that specific matter.
So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.
Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.
But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.
I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.
Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men
One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.
“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.
“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”
The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.
In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).
“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.
“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”
Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?
Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.
To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.
I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".
One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.
That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.
And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?
I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.
What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.
I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.
No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.
This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.
My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.
The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".
SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).
Rich women who are married unhappily have sought male escorts too. Maybe those men should work harder to please their wives.
And maybe, just maybe, couples should place God at the center of their lives and realize that their happiness should not be their number one focus.
Instead, if they learn to love each other by serving one another's needs and learn to be happy once God frees them from sin and hate, maybe marriages can be saved.
I watched the movie "The Case for Christ" where this man's wife converted to Christianity. He hated the idea and threatened to leave her and drank and became abusive. By all rights she had the option to divorce him and move on, however, she inexplicably stayed with him and prayed for him and he later converted himself. They have been happily married ever since.
Does this always happen? No. Am I saying women need to stay in abusive relationships? No, but it does show us what the real problem is.
Again not everyone is religious. If religious people are choosing not tpo marry they need to work on the root cause of the problem. Not all religious people are Christian. Some are Jewish, Buddhist , Hindu, etc.
People have always been allowed to have whatever religious beoief they choose and to live according to theirbeliefs. They are also allowed to not be religious. The laws are clear about that.
If a Guy doesn't want to marry an american woman and he is happy with a women from another country, good for him.
If a woman doesn't want to marry or be religious but she is not breaking any laws, good for her.
And not everyone will choose not to smoke and do drugs and gamble away all their money.
So what?
ricechickie
Gold Member
I don't see how the system is more unfair.
As far as happiness, that's up to each person. For me, the beauty of feminism is that women can choose the "traditional " womanhood role, or choose to eschew that role, or choose a little of both.
So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.
Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.
But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.
I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.
Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men
One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.
“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.
“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”
The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.
In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).
“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.
“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”
Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?
Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.
To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.
I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".
One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.
That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.
And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?
I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.
What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.
I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.
No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.
This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.
My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.
The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".
SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).
Rich women who are married unhappily have sought male escorts too. Maybe those men should work harder to please their wives.
And maybe, just maybe, couples should place God at the center of their lives and realize that their happiness should not be their number one focus.
Instead, if they learn to love each other by serving one another's needs and learn to be happy once God frees them from sin and hate, maybe marriages can be saved.
I watched the movie "The Case for Christ" where this man's wife converted to Christianity. He hated the idea and threatened to leave her and drank and became abusive. By all rights she had the option to divorce him and move on, however, she inexplicably stayed with him and prayed for him and he later converted himself. They have been happily married ever since.
Does this always happen? No. Am I saying women need to stay in abusive relationships? No, but it does show us what the real problem is.
Again not everyone is religious. If religious people are choosing not tpo marry they need to work on the root cause of the problem. Not all religious people are Christian. Some are Jewish, Buddhist , Hindu, etc.
People have always been allowed to have whatever religious beoief they choose and to live according to theirbeliefs. They are also allowed to not be religious. The laws are clear about that.
If a Guy doesn't want to marry an american woman and he is happy with a women from another country, good for him.
If a woman doesn't want to marry or be religious but she is not breaking any laws, good for her.
And not everyone will choose not to smoke and do drugs and gamble away all their money.
So what?
So what is right. Men are choosing to marry overseas and are happy. Good.
Men are choosing to see hookers, well that's on them. If they aren't happy they should work on the marriage. If the wife doesn't want to then find a woman who does want to, even if she's from Nepal. Problem solved.
See, women are happy with or without a man. The only problem I am reading is that men are mad at a certain sampling group of American women. Then don't date them. Plenty of other women who fit your agenda will be happy in a marriage with those men.
There are plenty of religious American women who will be willing to work out an unhappy phase of a marriage.
Avoid the feminists they won't miss those particular men.
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So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.
Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.
But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.
I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.
Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men
One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.
“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.
“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”
The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.
In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).
“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.
“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”
Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?
Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.
To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.
I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".
One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.
That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.
And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?
I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.
What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.
I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.
No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.
This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.
My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.
The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".
SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).
Rich women who are married unhappily have sought male escorts too. Maybe those men should work harder to please their wives.
In some cases, as I have already pointed out in prior posts, yeah I agree.
However, I think a larger problem is that women think that because they take the role of a man in the household, that men will take the role of women.
That doesn't work.
The idea that because they are now making big money, that now hubby is going to be mr mom, and start cleaning the house, washing dishes and clothes, and cooking dinner.
And the reality is, that's not how it works. A man doesn't magically become a woman because the women has the high-wage job. Nor does he magically have the motivations that a woman does.
The result is, he ends up doing very little. The woman ends up finding herself with all the responsibilities of her high-paying job, AND all the same responsibilities that women have had throughout history of being the homemaker.
There is usual two results, that often both happen.
The woman begins to resent her husband. And the husband will end up getting some sort of job, just so that he isn't home, that way when the wife asks why stuff isn't cleaned up.... well he was at work.
At the same time, with both people working to avoid conflict, they never meet each others needs.
Women have the same need, it just isn't as strong as a man's need is, on average. So without that need being met, and with the woman resenting her husband for not magically becoming a homemaker, women with money find it easy to find an escort that they can place their fantasies on. "This guy would be far better than my husband. This many would cook dinner, and clean the house".
Of course if they actually divorced, and married the new guy, they would quickly find out the new guy is almost exactly like their ex-husband, and they'd be visiting a new escort to replace him.
So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.
Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.
But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.
I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.
Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men
One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.
“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.
“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”
The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.
In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).
“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.
“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”
Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?
Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.
To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.
I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".
One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.
That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.
And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?
I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.
What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.
I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.
No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.
This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.
My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.
The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".
SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).
Rich women who are married unhappily have sought male escorts too. Maybe those men should work harder to please their wives.
In some cases, as I have already pointed out in prior posts, yeah I agree.
However, I think a larger problem is that women think that because they take the role of a man in the household, that men will take the role of women.
That doesn't work.
The idea that because they are now making big money, that now hubby is going to be mr mom, and start cleaning the house, washing dishes and clothes, and cooking dinner.
And the reality is, that's not how it works. A man doesn't magically become a woman because the women has the high-wage job. Nor does he magically have the motivations that a woman does.
The result is, he ends up doing very little. The woman ends up finding herself with all the responsibilities of her high-paying job, AND all the same responsibilities that women have had throughout history of being the homemaker.
There is usual two results, that often both happen.
The woman begins to resent her husband. And the husband will end up getting some sort of job, just so that he isn't home, that way when the wife asks why stuff isn't cleaned up.... well he was at work.
At the same time, with both people working to avoid conflict, they never meet each others needs.
Women have the same need, it just isn't as strong as a man's need is, on average. So without that need being met, and with the woman resenting her husband for not magically becoming a homemaker, women with money find it easy to find an escort that they can place their fantasies on. "This guy would be far better than my husband. This many would cook dinner, and clean the house".
Of course if they actually divorced, and married the new guy, they would quickly find out the new guy is almost exactly like their ex-husband, and they'd be visiting a new escort to replace him.
When you say it doesn't work for men to be at home and women in the workforce that might be true in a religious or traditional beliefs household. However, if both adults are not coming from religious or traditional belief expectations then there is no problem. They are happy in how they choose to live their coupling household.
The conflict is when the man and woman don't really have compatible core beliefs and then get married.
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Women who get the super-high end job, find themselves with simply more responsibility. As if being a wife, a mother, a homemaker, was super easy to begin with... now they are also the executive with the pressures of deadlines, and profit margins, and emergency meetings, and boardroom presentations.
Now what they think should happen is, the man will magically start cleaning the house, and cooking dinner, and raising kids. Well.. you can complain about that all you want, and that's fine, and you scream it's unfair... but that isn't happening.
Instead of making things more equal, it ends up being less equal.
Additionally, now that women are widely accepted in the work place, some men expect their wives to work. As if being a wife, mother and homemaker, wasn't work. But again, this is what Feminism promoted.
I remember years ago, watching a standup comedian, joke how dumb men were in the past saying "no wife of mine will work!". He went on to describe how awesome it was to have a wife that went out and made big money. Then it hit me... this guy works 1 night a week, for a whooping $500. Yeah, I bet he loves having the wife work so he doesn't have to. (had several people suggest that I do this by the way).
Lastly, Feminism has promoted women taking care of themselves. When men believe that women should take care of themselves... the result is men feel absolutely no responsibility for women at all. That's why you see the rise of single mothers as a dependent under-class across the country. They do not feel 'liberated'.
And while that is true for the poorest single mothers, it's not much different for the wealthy women either. As the article I posted before showed, the least happy working people in the entire country, is the single professional woman. Least happy. Not most happy.
Now you can choose whatever life style you want. That's fine. But the statistics are clear, most women are not happy when they achieve the feminists ideals. If you want to say happiness is a matter of choice, then feminist ideal seem to attract the most unhappy people, who remain unhappy following them.
Not my experience. Women with high paying jobs higher cleaning service workers to clean the home. In wealthy households they usually have personal assistants and nannies as well. If the male wants to be home and loves to do the domestic household responsibilities then it works for both of them.
Women who stay home in wealthy households will still utilize hired helps for domestic chores as well.
Now in a situation where she is not wealthy, they tend to split the domestic responsibilities. Unless the household is religious or traditional in values, which in that case she either sacrifices an income to stay home or he does. If it is agreeable with the religious beliefs or traditional values then there is no problem.
Resentment happens when one person of the coupling does not really agree with the core values that they said they agreed to when they got married. This is why people should be sure they are really on the same page about those things before marrying.
A feminist is male or female and so if both are feminists they would not have the kind of resentments you are narrating.
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So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.
Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.
But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.
I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.
Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men
One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.
“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.
“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”
The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.
In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).
“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.
“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”
Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?
Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.
To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.
I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".
One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.
That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.
And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?
I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.
What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.
I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.
No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.
This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.
My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.
The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".
SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).
Rich women who are married unhappily have sought male escorts too. Maybe those men should work harder to please their wives.
In some cases, as I have already pointed out in prior posts, yeah I agree.
However, I think a larger problem is that women think that because they take the role of a man in the household, that men will take the role of women.
That doesn't work.
The idea that because they are now making big money, that now hubby is going to be mr mom, and start cleaning the house, washing dishes and clothes, and cooking dinner.
And the reality is, that's not how it works. A man doesn't magically become a woman because the women has the high-wage job. Nor does he magically have the motivations that a woman does.
The result is, he ends up doing very little. The woman ends up finding herself with all the responsibilities of her high-paying job, AND all the same responsibilities that women have had throughout history of being the homemaker.
There is usual two results, that often both happen.
The woman begins to resent her husband. And the husband will end up getting some sort of job, just so that he isn't home, that way when the wife asks why stuff isn't cleaned up.... well he was at work.
At the same time, with both people working to avoid conflict, they never meet each others needs.
Women have the same need, it just isn't as strong as a man's need is, on average. So without that need being met, and with the woman resenting her husband for not magically becoming a homemaker, women with money find it easy to find an escort that they can place their fantasies on. "This guy would be far better than my husband. This many would cook dinner, and clean the house".
Of course if they actually divorced, and married the new guy, they would quickly find out the new guy is almost exactly like their ex-husband, and they'd be visiting a new escort to replace him.
When you say it doesn't work for men to be at home and women in the workforce that might be true in a religious or traditional beliefs household. However, if both adults are not coming from religious or traditional belief expectations then there is no problem. They are happy in how they choose to live their coupling household.
The conflict is when the man and woman don't really have compatible core beliefs and then get married.
Actually it has nothing to do with religion. Across the board, men who stay at home, while the wife works, are more likely to suffer depression, more likely to cheat on their wives., more likely to divorce.
That isn't to say there are no exceptions. Of course there are always exceptions.
But exceptions, are just that. Exceptions. In the broad context of society... men generally do not want to wash dishes, clean the house, and take care of the kids all day.
The problem with the 'core compatible beliefs' is that people think they can simply choose to be different than what they are. And I don't think so. Call me crazy, old fashioned, religious lunatic... that's fine... I think you are wrong.
I've seen it hundreds on hundreds of times, where people make claims that they believe X.... usually because of the new trendy movement, but when push comes to shove, the traditional motivations always come.
For example, I met a couple that had an open marriage. They both agreed they wanted an open marriage. Completely compatible core beliefs. Until the man found out she was sleeping with a friend.... suddenly that open marriage crap, gone. He wanted someone dedicated to him... like the last 6,000 years of traditional marriage.
Another couple, both said they didn't want kids. No kids. She agreed. No kids. Completely compatible core beliefs. Except when she turned 30, and realized she really wasn't going to have kids, suddenly guess who really wants kids like the vast majority of women since the dawn of human existence? Of course he refused, so she left him, and now he's bitter about it. (idiot).
Just like this article here.
Depression and the Stay-At-Home Dad | Alpha Mom
Both of them agreed. They both signed up to a plan for him to stay at home. And he was 100% on board. Then when he's been at home a few weeks, he's going crazy. Yelling, punching holes in walls.
But wait! They had 100% compatible core values! What happened?
Men.... are men. Women.... are women. The pattern of 6,000 years of human history, doesn't magically change places because you just decided it does.
This is that same stupidity as "I identify as....." as if what you decided to identify as has any bearing on what you actually are.
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Well then, we agree to disagree. Because your experience, and the articles I've read contradict each other... and my own experience matches that of the articles I've read, rather than what you just said.
So, for my own position, I'm going with the research over what you just said.
I actually know of three couples off the top of my head, where what I said was explicitly their reality. One had a wife that was a lawyer, he was tried of her complaining he didn't' work around the house, so he got a job.
The guy I'm working with right now, makes $12 an hour, and plays video games at home. His wife works for the state and makes really good money.
Neither of them go to church, or are religious as far as I know.
Obviously I can't contradict your personal experience, but the articles and research I've read matches what I've seen. So you are not going to convince me of something that contradicts what I've seen and read, and I can't argue against your experiences that I know nothing about.
Agree to disagree. Nice talking to you.
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This article about this survey showed that even when unemployed, men do less 'housework' than women do.
Of course they didn't go into religious views, so perhaps every single one was a religious nut? Or maybe it's more universal.
This article about this survey showed that even when unemployed, men do less 'housework' than women do.
Of course they didn't go into religious views, so perhaps every single one was a religious nut? Or maybe it's more universal.
So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.
Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.
But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.
I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.
Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men
One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.
“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.
“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”
The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.
In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).
“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.
“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”
Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?
Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.
To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.
I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".
One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.
That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.
And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?
I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.
What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.
I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.
No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.
This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.
My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.
The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".
SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).
Rich women who are married unhappily have sought male escorts too. Maybe those men should work harder to please their wives.
In some cases, as I have already pointed out in prior posts, yeah I agree.
However, I think a larger problem is that women think that because they take the role of a man in the household, that men will take the role of women.
That doesn't work.
The idea that because they are now making big money, that now hubby is going to be mr mom, and start cleaning the house, washing dishes and clothes, and cooking dinner.
And the reality is, that's not how it works. A man doesn't magically become a woman because the women has the high-wage job. Nor does he magically have the motivations that a woman does.
The result is, he ends up doing very little. The woman ends up finding herself with all the responsibilities of her high-paying job, AND all the same responsibilities that women have had throughout history of being the homemaker.
There is usual two results, that often both happen.
The woman begins to resent her husband. And the husband will end up getting some sort of job, just so that he isn't home, that way when the wife asks why stuff isn't cleaned up.... well he was at work.
At the same time, with both people working to avoid conflict, they never meet each others needs.
Women have the same need, it just isn't as strong as a man's need is, on average. So without that need being met, and with the woman resenting her husband for not magically becoming a homemaker, women with money find it easy to find an escort that they can place their fantasies on. "This guy would be far better than my husband. This many would cook dinner, and clean the house".
Of course if they actually divorced, and married the new guy, they would quickly find out the new guy is almost exactly like their ex-husband, and they'd be visiting a new escort to replace him.
When you say it doesn't work for men to be at home and women in the workforce that might be true in a religious or traditional beliefs household. However, if both adults are not coming from religious or traditional belief expectations then there is no problem. They are happy in how they choose to live their coupling household.
The conflict is when the man and woman don't really have compatible core beliefs and then get married.
Actually it has nothing to do with religion. Across the board, men who stay at home, while the wife works, are more likely to suffer depression, more likely to cheat on their wives., more likely to divorce.
That isn't to say there are no exceptions. Of course there are always exceptions.
But exceptions, are just that. Exceptions. In the broad context of society... men generally do not want to wash dishes, clean the house, and take care of the kids all day.
The problem with the 'core compatible beliefs' is that people think they can simply choose to be different than what they are. And I don't think so. Call me crazy, old fashioned, religious lunatic... that's fine... I think you are wrong.
I've seen it hundreds on hundreds of times, where people make claims that they believe X.... usually because of the new trendy movement, but when push comes to shove, the traditional motivations always come.
For example, I met a couple that had an open marriage. They both agreed they wanted an open marriage. Completely compatible core beliefs. Until the man found out she was sleeping with a friend.... suddenly that open marriage crap, gone. He wanted someone dedicated to him... like the last 6,000 years of traditional marriage.
Another couple, both said they didn't want kids. No kids. She agreed. No kids. Completely compatible core beliefs. Except when she turned 30, and realized she really wasn't going to have kids, suddenly guess who really wants kids like the vast majority of women since the dawn of human existence? Of course he refused, so she left him, and now he's bitter about it. (idiot).
Just like this article here.
Depression and the Stay-At-Home Dad | Alpha Mom
Both of them agreed. They both signed up to a plan for him to stay at home. And he was 100% on board. Then when he's been at home a few weeks, he's going crazy. Yelling, punching holes in walls.
But wait! They had 100% compatible core values! What happened?
Men.... are men. Women.... are women. The pattern of 6,000 years of human history, doesn't magically change places because you just decided it does.
This is that same stupidity as "I identify as....." as if what you decided to identify as has any bearing on what you actually are.
He was struggling with depression. He could have depression whether at home or working.
No, it only matters if they decided to split work equally or he promised to do all the household work. Again, discussing ahead of time core values would be important.
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So I've said this before. My observation in the US is that women treat their husbands like crap. I can't count the number of jobs I've had were women co-works routinely vomit how terrible of awful their husbands are.
Alternatively, I had a co-work at my current job I'll call Tim, and his wife Jessica. Jessica is from Napal (not her real name obviously). And you can clearly see the difference. She loves him. I mean really. He's love her, you can tell. I was shocked to find that Tim was in his mid 50s, and she was in her mid 40s. Ironically Tim was married before, which is exactly why he got a wife from Napal.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting they slobber all over each other like these idiotic college students. But you can see that even after being married 20 years, they still have something. Its one of the very few times where I saw a version of marriage that actually looks like something a man would want.
But what do we see in western 1st world countries? Women that don't do any of that. They don't want to give their husbands sex. Or time. Or affection. Sometimes not intimacy of any kind.
I happen to be listening to some podcasts, when one host mentioned in passing this article, and I was curious. So I looked it up.
Escorts are urging wives and girlfriends to listen to their men
One woman, who goes under the pseudonym Mrs Robinson, told news.com.au she feels like a “marriage counsellor” and that Australian women are failing to understand the needs of their partners as more and more men are driven to online apps to find intimacy.
“I do see a lot of married men and they’re not getting that intimacy at home, at all,” Mrs Robinson told news.com.au.
“Men are looking to be understood and be heard. They’re looking for that bit of love that they’re obviously missing. I could open up a school to teach women how to be intimate because there are so many out there that are not giving intimacy to their husbands.”
The 58-year-old woman said that 90 per cent of her clients, ranging in age from 20-45, pay $350 for half an hour to engage in a heightened degree of emotional intimacy.
In some cases, they engage in reciprocal sexual pleasure (girlfriend experiences), but in other cases, they won’t have sex at all (companionship experiences).
“There’s definitely more demand for it. I can’t tell you the number of times a client and I haven’t had sex. We may have just sit there and talk, we may have dinner. There’s so many times that you will not have sex. Sometimes there will be a run of it when I think ... ‘wow’.
“It’s not this wild, crazy, hang-from-the-chandeliers porn star experience they want. They just want to be with a girlfriend for an hour. Cuddling, being together, talking, having that intimacy with somebody. I’ve got clients in their 20s who want that. It’s pretty amazing. I’m still in shock over how many young guys are into me. It’s bizarre.”
Now I don't know about you, but the vast majority of women, you bloom in your 20s, you reach your prime by the age of 30, and from there... over time, the flower fades. This is normal. Right?
Here's a lady almost 60.... and men from 20 to age 45, are coming to her. Some for sex, and many.... just to be held. Just to have someone talk to them. Just to have a companion.
To me this is both fascinating, and expected at the same time. Fascinating because here a women, is telling other women, the whole reason their husbands are unfaithful, isn't because they are bad men, but rather they are bad women. They are being terrible wives.
I was reading an article, supposedly from a Prostitute, who wrote the title "Things I learned about your husband".
One of them was, "He'd rather be with you, but you don't take care of him. So I do". Men cheating on their wives, because their wives don't want to be the lover, and intimate they need. The prostitute doesn't criticize and critique everything he says. She simply supports him and listens to him.
That's why some of these guys are not even getting sex. You women are not doing this for your husbands.
And you starve them out, and then get all angry and bitter, when he cheats, or goes to see an escort? Really?
I posted that thread months ago about mail order brides, and the women here started foaming at the mouth. Now I get why. Those women are giving their husbands what American girls don't, and they end up with happy marriages and American girls end up on Jerry Springer, and Doctor Phil.
What's funny is at the bottom of a different article, a man wrote that everything on there was exactly true. He didn't like going to see the prostitute, but his wife simply didn't want to pay attention to him. Every time he wanted a alone time, she had a headache, or backache, or something ache, or was tired, or busy, or blaw blaw blaw. Finally he figured out it was too hard to be intimate with her, so he goes to an "adult escort" twice a week. He openly says, he'd rather be with his wife. But she doesn't want to be a wife.
I can't help but think about how Christians deal with this, because obviously I'm a Christian (as the sig makes clear). Christians today really suck at teaching this. But the fact is we used to get this.... The puritans used to teach that if a women refuses to provide for her husbands needs, and he cheats... he was not to be punished, but rather the woman was at fault.
No don't get me wrong. If she did provide for him, then it was his fault. A man could be beaten, flogged, or put in stocks if he cheated on his wife. But if the women caused it by starving him out, then no, it's her fault.
This is why marriages fall apart today. Yeah I know there is the occasional abuse, or drug / gambling or other addiction. But the majority I would be willing to bet... is this.
My conclusion to this, I think this is caused by Feminism. I think women today are more interested in their careers, and their own pursuits, and have gotten into their head that they should be able to have it all, and they should not have to do anything to keep their husbands. I've even heard women say "I shouldn't have to...." (insert whatever he needs). And they go to work, and barf all over their co-workers what terrible husbands they have. While they themselves do nothing... put in zero effort to meet their husbands needs.
The Nepalese wife at work last week said... "I am starting to see why men in American don't want to get married".
SO.... any opinions you'd like to add? Clean debate zone. (friendly reminder).
Rich women who are married unhappily have sought male escorts too. Maybe those men should work harder to please their wives.
In some cases, as I have already pointed out in prior posts, yeah I agree.
However, I think a larger problem is that women think that because they take the role of a man in the household, that men will take the role of women.
That doesn't work.
The idea that because they are now making big money, that now hubby is going to be mr mom, and start cleaning the house, washing dishes and clothes, and cooking dinner.
And the reality is, that's not how it works. A man doesn't magically become a woman because the women has the high-wage job. Nor does he magically have the motivations that a woman does.
The result is, he ends up doing very little. The woman ends up finding herself with all the responsibilities of her high-paying job, AND all the same responsibilities that women have had throughout history of being the homemaker.
There is usual two results, that often both happen.
The woman begins to resent her husband. And the husband will end up getting some sort of job, just so that he isn't home, that way when the wife asks why stuff isn't cleaned up.... well he was at work.
At the same time, with both people working to avoid conflict, they never meet each others needs.
Women have the same need, it just isn't as strong as a man's need is, on average. So without that need being met, and with the woman resenting her husband for not magically becoming a homemaker, women with money find it easy to find an escort that they can place their fantasies on. "This guy would be far better than my husband. This many would cook dinner, and clean the house".
Of course if they actually divorced, and married the new guy, they would quickly find out the new guy is almost exactly like their ex-husband, and they'd be visiting a new escort to replace him.
When you say it doesn't work for men to be at home and women in the workforce that might be true in a religious or traditional beliefs household. However, if both adults are not coming from religious or traditional belief expectations then there is no problem. They are happy in how they choose to live their coupling household.
The conflict is when the man and woman don't really have compatible core beliefs and then get married.
Actually it has nothing to do with religion. Across the board, men who stay at home, while the wife works, are more likely to suffer depression, more likely to cheat on their wives., more likely to divorce.
That isn't to say there are no exceptions. Of course there are always exceptions.
But exceptions, are just that. Exceptions. In the broad context of society... men generally do not want to wash dishes, clean the house, and take care of the kids all day.
The problem with the 'core compatible beliefs' is that people think they can simply choose to be different than what they are. And I don't think so. Call me crazy, old fashioned, religious lunatic... that's fine... I think you are wrong.
I've seen it hundreds on hundreds of times, where people make claims that they believe X.... usually because of the new trendy movement, but when push comes to shove, the traditional motivations always come.
For example, I met a couple that had an open marriage. They both agreed they wanted an open marriage. Completely compatible core beliefs. Until the man found out she was sleeping with a friend.... suddenly that open marriage crap, gone. He wanted someone dedicated to him... like the last 6,000 years of traditional marriage.
Another couple, both said they didn't want kids. No kids. She agreed. No kids. Completely compatible core beliefs. Except when she turned 30, and realized she really wasn't going to have kids, suddenly guess who really wants kids like the vast majority of women since the dawn of human existence? Of course he refused, so she left him, and now he's bitter about it. (idiot).
Just like this article here.
Depression and the Stay-At-Home Dad | Alpha Mom
Both of them agreed. They both signed up to a plan for him to stay at home. And he was 100% on board. Then when he's been at home a few weeks, he's going crazy. Yelling, punching holes in walls.
But wait! They had 100% compatible core values! What happened?
Men.... are men. Women.... are women. The pattern of 6,000 years of human history, doesn't magically change places because you just decided it does.
This is that same stupidity as "I identify as....." as if what you decided to identify as has any bearing on what you actually are.
He was struggling with depression. He could have depression whether at home or working.
That was also part of the article. Men who stay at home have a much higher rate of depression.
I am fine with agreeing to disagree. I don't mind what others do in their own household. My household works for me. I'm happy. If others are happy I'm fine with it. But I don't need anyone telling me how my relationship or marriage needs to be according to their core values, expectations or narratives. Live and Let live.
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As I said before, they did in the examples I gave. Again, we seem to be talking in circles. Agree to disagree... or we can just keep talking in circles.
Then they should go to work. They have options.
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Which changes nothing about my point.
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