Federal Lawsuit Says Obama is Kenyan
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Ninja
Senior Member
So the prisoners at Gitmo are U.S. citizens?
The Constitution doesn't define "natural-born citizen;" as generations of jurists have pointed out, much of that document's brilliance lies in its ambiguity. But a little research showed that the question had actually been asked and answered way back in 1790, when the very first Congress passed a statute declaring that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be borne beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States." The Senate unanimously passed a resolution recognizing that "John Sidney McCain III is a natural-born citizen." On to more important things.
Or so we thought.
Now making the Internet rounds is a posting questioning whether McCain's presumptive Democratic opponent, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is a natural-born citizen and therefore constitutionally qualified to be president. I suppose it was only a matter of time.
Anyway, this particular post, whose authorship is unclear, suggests that Obama is "not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen under to the law on the books at the time of his birth...". According to the poster, if only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, the citizen-parent "must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Obama's father, of course, was not an American citizen, having been born in Kenya. That leaves his mother, who was a natural-born citizen, but who was only 18 when Obama was born, on August 4, 1961. In the poster's opinion, Obama fails the constitutional test because his citizen-mother had not resided in the U.S. for five years after the age of 16--not old enough, at the time of Obama's birth, "to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship."
Now pay strict attention, because I'm only going to explain this once: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the United States and therefore eligible to become president? The answer is yes, according to Ron Gotcher, a noted California immigration lawyer and The Swamp's resident expert on presidential eligibility.
"The poster's confusion," Gotcher writes, "is over the concepts of jus sanguinis and jus soli." Under jus sanguinis, a person's citizenship is transmitted "by the blood" - by inheritance from his or her parents or grandparents. In the United States, we recognize citizenship through parentage in a number of cases.
But it is not necessary to look to the statutes that deal with citizenship through jus sanguinis, since Senator Obama's citizenship derives from jus soli - citizenship through place of birth.
According to Gotcher, "The Fourteenth Amendment commands that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
"This was clarified by the Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866, which provided that 'All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power are declared to be citizens of the United States.'"
"Senator Obama was born in the State of Hawaii two years after it became a state on Aug.21, 1959 As such, he acquired United States citizenship automatically at birth. While it is not necessary to go into all of the other legal errors contained in the posting (and there are many), the simple fact is that, with rare exceptions (children of diplomats), everyone born in the United States is a citizen of the United States at birth."
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/is_barack_obama_a_us_citizen_y.html
Or so we thought.
Now making the Internet rounds is a posting questioning whether McCain's presumptive Democratic opponent, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama is a natural-born citizen and therefore constitutionally qualified to be president. I suppose it was only a matter of time.
Anyway, this particular post, whose authorship is unclear, suggests that Obama is "not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen under to the law on the books at the time of his birth...". According to the poster, if only one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of birth, the citizen-parent "must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16." Obama's father, of course, was not an American citizen, having been born in Kenya. That leaves his mother, who was a natural-born citizen, but who was only 18 when Obama was born, on August 4, 1961. In the poster's opinion, Obama fails the constitutional test because his citizen-mother had not resided in the U.S. for five years after the age of 16--not old enough, at the time of Obama's birth, "to qualify her son for automatic U.S. citizenship."
Now pay strict attention, because I'm only going to explain this once: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the United States and therefore eligible to become president? The answer is yes, according to Ron Gotcher, a noted California immigration lawyer and The Swamp's resident expert on presidential eligibility.
"The poster's confusion," Gotcher writes, "is over the concepts of jus sanguinis and jus soli." Under jus sanguinis, a person's citizenship is transmitted "by the blood" - by inheritance from his or her parents or grandparents. In the United States, we recognize citizenship through parentage in a number of cases.
But it is not necessary to look to the statutes that deal with citizenship through jus sanguinis, since Senator Obama's citizenship derives from jus soli - citizenship through place of birth.
According to Gotcher, "The Fourteenth Amendment commands that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
"This was clarified by the Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866, which provided that 'All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power are declared to be citizens of the United States.'"
"Senator Obama was born in the State of Hawaii two years after it became a state on Aug.21, 1959 As such, he acquired United States citizenship automatically at birth. While it is not necessary to go into all of the other legal errors contained in the posting (and there are many), the simple fact is that, with rare exceptions (children of diplomats), everyone born in the United States is a citizen of the United States at birth."
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/is_barack_obama_a_us_citizen_y.html
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In the future historians will be confused as hell over what was important to Americans in 2008. They will wonder if Kerry was French, Obama was Kenyan, Republicans were all retarded! Imagine how confusing it will be, they will wonder did anyone think of wages or health-care or the environment but they will have to wonder as stupidity reigns supreme.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill
A vote for John McCain is a vote against the fundamental principle of America, the right of the individual to lead their life privately without the government interfering.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill
A vote for John McCain is a vote against the fundamental principle of America, the right of the individual to lead their life privately without the government interfering.
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Did you read the link, dude? A Hillary supporter filed the suit. Your man is toast: he forged his birth certificate. What a fucking dummy!
Glock! Haven't heard from you in a while.
Still shooting off your mouth I see.
The moneyed interests are throwing everything they can at Obama because he is not in their control. Their flying monkeys of the blogosphere are doing their bidding. Obama was born in the United States, therefore he is a U.S. citizen. End of story....
CA95380
USMB Member
Twilight Zone or deja vu I thought this topic had been through the wringer and back.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/56810-if-barack-obama-was-not-born-in-the-u-s-would-you-still-vote-for-him.html
Moon
Why so serious?
How many of them were born at Gitmo?
Ninja
Senior Member
How many detainees were born there, Korky?
And please, don't try to act as though you'd have a problem with Gitmo detainees being granted citizenship. Spare me.
the lawsuit, is baseless....obama was born in hawaii....end of story.
FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.
FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.
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Read sometime. Youd realize that its a Democrat bringing this suit.
Jon
The CPA
Exactly. That really made me LOL. Kirk is so fucking blind by his partisanship. It's sad, really.
Dr Grump
Platinum Member
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Red Dawn
Senior Member
Honestly, this is just sad.
I've been through a lot of presidential elections. But, I've never seen the rightwing dredge up so much moronic bullshit.
I guess they hate their candidate.
I've been through a lot of presidential elections. But, I've never seen the rightwing dredge up so much moronic bullshit.
I guess they hate their candidate.
Dr Grump
Platinum Member
It's all they have. When was the last time a right-whinger actually brought up policies consistantly.
Look at the history. Nobody remembers Kerry's policies, only what the Swift Boat Liars said. They tried that on Clinton with Jennifer Flowers and they succeeded with Gary Hart when he was thinking of running. They know their policies suck, so they go for the smear...
dilloduck
Diamond Member
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