Federal Appeals Court Deals Blow To Abortion Rights Advocates In Texas

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I am frankly sickened by what I have just read on this thread. How can people advocate for population control?

You do.

You can call it by fancy names if you want but taking reproductive rights away from women is population control.

Unless you are forcibly impregnated and then denied an abortion, no right has been taken from you. Here's an idea, don't get pregnant if you don't want to be pregnant.

Oh here comes the " most women who get abortions were on birth control" nonsense...

 

[Rikurzhen]

I will repeat myself. EUGENICS. IS. WRONG.

Are you a parent? If so, did you mate randomly with a person or did you assess them in terms of fitness?

Are Jews eugenicists for doing this:

"Last year not a single Jewish baby throughout North America was born with Tay-Sachs," says Prof. Robert Desnick of the Department of Human Genetics at New York's Mount Sinai Hospital. Prof. Desnick is in Israel as the guest of Jerusalem's Hadassah hospitals. He said yesterday that of the 10 babies born in North America in 2003 with Tay-Sachs, not a single one was Jewish.

Figures from Israel paint a similar picture. According to Prof. Joel Zlotogora, who heads the Health Ministry's Department of Community Genetics, just one baby was born with Tay-Sachs in Israel in 2003. Insofar as is known, not a single baby in Israel was born with Tay-Sachs last year, but as the disease takes some six months to manifest itself, the figures for 2004 are not final.

Prof. Gideon Bach, who heads the Department of Genetics at Hadassah University Hospital, Ein Karem, says the eradication of Tay-Sachs can be attributed primarily to the fact that the general public in Israel is advised to carry out, at the expense of the state, genetic tests to diagnose the disease before the birth of the baby. In the event an unborn baby is diagnosed with Tay-Sachs, the pregnancy is usually terminated.

Another reason for the eradication of the disease, Bach says, is the work of the ultra-Orthodox association, Dor Yesharim. The association carries out tests on young individuals to check whether they are genetically "suitable." The results of these tests are passed on to the matchmaker. If there is a risk that a designated couple may give birth to children affected with Tay-Sachs, the matchmaker will report that the match is unsuitable.


Bach, who works with Dor Yesharim, says that numerous intended couples have been split up in the wake of genetic testing. ​

Moreover, changing the genetic makeup of your child simply to appeal to your personal preferences is wrong.

Again, do you mate with random people or do you choose the person who you will produce a child with?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Of course it's the same thing. Targeting a population with methods meant to increase their financial resources.

It is the same thing, no matter where it's put into effect.

Hitler used it on the Polish people.

No, the China example is a citizen wide policy, meant to control the population PERIOD. What has been suggested here is a targeted affect to limit the number of undesirables.

You want more kids, work harder so you can afford more kids. Why is that too much to suggest? You don't have a right to have kids you can't afford.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I am frankly sickened by what I have just read on this thread. How can people advocate for population control?

You go and spend some time in Africa and then get back to me. The idiot Christians who force American foreign aid to forgo spending on birth control and abortion has resulted in a skyrocketing population increase in Africa. I've seen all this close-up, it's utter madness:

No. It will not do. Even as we see African states refusing to take action to restore something resembling civilisation in Zimbabwe, the begging bowl for Ethiopia is being passed around to us, yet again. It is nearly 25 years since Ethiopia's (and Bob Geldof's) famous Feed The World campaign, and in that time Ethiopia's population has grown from 33.5 million to 78 million today.

So why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none. To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn't count.

One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing, yet again, at the camera, which yet again, captures the tragedy of . . .

Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a priapic, Kalashnikov-bearing hearty, siring children whenever the whim takes him.

There is, no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and intimate system; but I do not know what it is. There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this.

It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, letter-writing wrathful, a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O'Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously. So be it.

But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison. Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30pc. Over the equivalent period, thanks to western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules, Ethiopia's has more than doubled.

Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness. Somewhere, over the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, Kalashnikov-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts.

Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually hyperactive indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world.

This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or commonsense. Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the next president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital joystick as a sure preventative against infection. Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea etcetera.

Broad brush-strokes, to be sure. But broad brush-strokes are often the way that history paints its gaudier, if more decisive, chapters. Japan, China, Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th century have endured worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of Africa.

They are now -- one way or another -- virtually all giving aid to or investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.

Meanwhile, Africa's peoples are outstripping their resources, and causing catastrophic ecological degradation. By 2050, the population of Ethiopia will be 177 million: The equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today, but located on the parched and increasingly protein-free wastelands of the Great Rift Valley.

So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally devastated and economically dependent country?

How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger, violence and intimate abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably jolly little lives ahead of them? Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity. But that is not good enough.

For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed.

It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade. It is inspiring Bill Gates' programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating.

If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts. Oh good: then what?I know. Let them all come here. Yes, that's an idea.​

 

[Rikurzhen]

I prefer the old fashioned approach that avoids medication, abortion, and surgery...i.e., tell people not to do drugs, and don't have sex until you're married.

I usually direct this criticism at liberals, but it's good for everyone to keep in mind. "Everyone doesn't think like you." Just because you act responsibly in your own life doesn't imply that everyone else does so too.

So when other people don't act like you think they should act, then what is your solution?

 

[RKMBrown]

Why? There are women who in fact need abortions for their own safety, regardless of class, status or intelligence. In the sake of a neutral opinion, this would violate the 14th Amendment up and down. When you discriminate via the classes, you are playing the same class war the leftists are, and as a result are no better than they are.

True, but the Constitution isn't a suicide pact. We're experiencing a dysgenic trend right now. The least fit in society are having the most children while the best fit are having the fewest. These brilliant career women who have no children or maybe one child are actually harming society. The work they did in a business vanishes into irrelevance 10 years after she passes, but if she raises 3 brilliant children, because she herself is brilliant, then society benefits for centuries thereafter.

Crack whores having 7 kids doesn't do us any good.

Sure it does it feeds right into the dimoscum plans.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I am frankly sickened by what I have just read on this thread. How can people advocate for population control?

You aren't surprised, are you? This is a common theme on usmb, and it's amazing how many people approve of it.

I have been a member of this forum for a year and a half. Never have I encountered anyone as morally repulsive as Rikurzhen. Such utter disregard for human life is appalling.

 

[TemplarKormac]

GASP!

Who are YOU and what have you done with Rikurzhen?

The smartest thing we could do as a country is make birth control free to all men and women.

The smartest thing is to limit the reproduction of the poorest and prevent the smartest and richest women from obtaining birth control. I just don't have a clue how that could be accomplished for the rich and smart women.

So you want the poor to have more money and the rich to be poor.

Exactly. See how nicely we can close the income inequality gap.

You do want to close the income inequality gap, don't you? A poor family with 1 child now has more money at their disposal and they can invest all that money into their one child and give him a huge boost up in society. You think that's a bad outcome, for poor kids to have their parents invest in them?

Yeah, talk to the people of China. How's it working out for them?

not quite the same thing, and surely you realize that.

Beyond having children while on welfare I don't advocate what Rik is saying, but his point is true. We need more well off people procreating and fewer poor people doing so.

So you in essence agreed with what Rik was saying. In the very same breath you contradicted yourself. "I don't agree, but it is true."

 

[TemplarKormac]

Why? There are women who in fact need abortions for their own safety, regardless of class, status or intelligence. In the sake of a neutral opinion, this would violate the 14th Amendment up and down. When you discriminate via the classes, you are playing the same class war the leftists are, and as a result are no better than they are.

True, but the Constitution isn't a suicide pact. We're experiencing a dysgenic trend right now. The least fit in society are having the most children while the best fit are having the fewest. These brilliant career women who have no children or maybe one child are actually harming society. The work they did in a business vanishes into irrelevance 10 years after she passes, but if she raises 3 brilliant children, because she herself is brilliant, then society benefits for centuries thereafter.

Crack whores having 7 kids doesn't do us any good.

The Constitution is not a death sentence either. There is a woman in my church who has nine kids, yes nine. Is she a crack whore?

That isn't what he said

Learn to read.

I don't give half a damn what he said. He advocates killing people for the prosperity of others.

Quiet you.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I prefer the old fashioned approach that avoids medication, abortion, and surgery...i.e., tell people not to do drugs, and don't have sex until you're married.

I usually direct this criticism at liberals, but it's good for everyone to keep in mind. "Everyone doesn't think like you." Just because you act responsibly in your own life doesn't imply that everyone else does so too.

So when other people don't act like you think they should act, then what is your solution?

My solution most certainly does not involve killing people. You are in the minority, and there you will forever remain. No matter how morally bankrupt humanity will become, more of them than not will respect the sanctity of human life; hence why we become outraged when someone needlessly takes the life of another.

 

[Rikurzhen]

A Tale Of Two Countries

 

[TemplarKormac]

What do I look like, a kindergartener? That that coloring book somewhere else.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I am frankly sickened by what I have just read on this thread. How can people advocate for population control?

You aren't surprised, are you? This is a common theme on usmb, and it's amazing how many people approve of it.

I have been a member of this forum for a year and a half. Never have I encountered anyone as morally repulsive as Rikurzhen. Such utter disregard for human life is appalling.

Go travel the world a bit. Seeing bad shit has a way of waking you up and hardening your heart. Or take 100 people swimming out into the ocean as you row alongside in a 30 person lifeboat and urge them to keep swimming away from shore until they are utterly exhausted and then you can haul each person into the lifeboat with YOU. Let's see how kind hearted you are then, when you have to live with the consequences of your decisions.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I have heard enough!

You are ignored.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Why? There are women who in fact need abortions for their own safety, regardless of class, status or intelligence. In the sake of a neutral opinion, this would violate the 14th Amendment up and down. When you discriminate via the classes, you are playing the same class war the leftists are, and as a result are no better than they are.

True, but the Constitution isn't a suicide pact. We're experiencing a dysgenic trend right now. The least fit in society are having the most children while the best fit are having the fewest. These brilliant career women who have no children or maybe one child are actually harming society. The work they did in a business vanishes into irrelevance 10 years after she passes, but if she raises 3 brilliant children, because she herself is brilliant, then society benefits for centuries thereafter.

Crack whores having 7 kids doesn't do us any good.

The Constitution is not a death sentence either. There is a woman in my church who has nine kids, yes nine. Is she a crack whore?

That isn't what he said

Learn to read.

I don't give half a damn what he said. He advocates killing people for the prosperity of others.

Quiet you.

Killing people? Which people? Spell it out for me. You mean fetuses?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Why? There are women who in fact need abortions for their own safety, regardless of class, status or intelligence. In the sake of a neutral opinion, this would violate the 14th Amendment up and down. When you discriminate via the classes, you are playing the same class war the leftists are, and as a result are no better than they are.

True, but the Constitution isn't a suicide pact. We're experiencing a dysgenic trend right now. The least fit in society are having the most children while the best fit are having the fewest. These brilliant career women who have no children or maybe one child are actually harming society. The work they did in a business vanishes into irrelevance 10 years after she passes, but if she raises 3 brilliant children, because she herself is brilliant, then society benefits for centuries thereafter.

Crack whores having 7 kids doesn't do us any good.

The Constitution is not a death sentence either. There is a woman in my church who has nine kids, yes nine. Is she a crack whore?

That isn't what he said

Learn to read.

I don't give half a damn what he said. He advocates killing people for the prosperity of others.

Quiet you.

No he doesn't advocate any such thing. He advocates those people not being created in the first place.

Duh!!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Why? There are women who in fact need abortions for their own safety, regardless of class, status or intelligence. In the sake of a neutral opinion, this would violate the 14th Amendment up and down. When you discriminate via the classes, you are playing the same class war the leftists are, and as a result are no better than they are.

True, but the Constitution isn't a suicide pact. We're experiencing a dysgenic trend right now. The least fit in society are having the most children while the best fit are having the fewest. These brilliant career women who have no children or maybe one child are actually harming society. The work they did in a business vanishes into irrelevance 10 years after she passes, but if she raises 3 brilliant children, because she herself is brilliant, then society benefits for centuries thereafter.

Crack whores having 7 kids doesn't do us any good.

The Constitution is not a death sentence either. There is a woman in my church who has nine kids, yes nine. Is she a crack whore?

That isn't what he said

Learn to read.

I don't give half a damn what he said. He advocates killing people for the prosperity of others.

Quiet you.

No he doesn't advocate any such thing. He advocates those people not being created in the first place.

Duh!!

That is called EUGENICS you dolt. And since when did Rik become God? He can no more control the creation of others than he can control the rotation of the earth.

Hurrdurr!

 

[Rikurzhen]

True, but the Constitution isn't a suicide pact. We're experiencing a dysgenic trend right now. The least fit in society are having the most children while the best fit are having the fewest. These brilliant career women who have no children or maybe one child are actually harming society. The work they did in a business vanishes into irrelevance 10 years after she passes, but if she raises 3 brilliant children, because she herself is brilliant, then society benefits for centuries thereafter.

Crack whores having 7 kids doesn't do us any good.

The Constitution is not a death sentence either. There is a woman in my church who has nine kids, yes nine. Is she a crack whore?

That isn't what he said

Learn to read.

I don't give half a damn what he said. He advocates killing people for the prosperity of others.

Quiet you.

No he doesn't advocate any such thing. He advocates those people not being created in the first place.

Duh!!

That is called EUGENICS you dolt. And since when did Rik become God? He can no more control the creation of others than he can control the rotation of the earth.

Hurrdurr!

I'm not controlling anyone or telling anyone what they can or must or should do. I'm advocating for ways to encourage poor people to have either no children or one children and then to use their family wealth to really invest in that kid rather than taking that same family wealth and spending it on raising 5 kids.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

The Constitution is not a death sentence either. There is a woman in my church who has nine kids, yes nine. Is she a crack whore?

That isn't what he said

Learn to read.

I don't give half a damn what he said. He advocates killing people for the prosperity of others.

Quiet you.

No he doesn't advocate any such thing. He advocates those people not being created in the first place.

Duh!!

That is called EUGENICS you dolt. And since when did Rik become God? He can no more control the creation of others than he can control the rotation of the earth.

Hurrdurr!

I'm not controlling anyone or telling anyone what they can or must or should do. I'm advocating for ways to encourage poor people to have either no children or one children and then to use their family wealth to really invest in that kid rather than taking that same family wealth and spending it on raising 5 kids.

Funny that these people are against TRUE planned parenthood....