FDR’s Subservience To Stalin Cost Thousand Of American Soldier’s Lives

[Otis Mayfield]

Actually that was a British idea. It's how they fought their continental wars for centuries. They would subsidize the Russians or Germans, or someone to fight the French.

It's not a very brilliant or complex idea.

Many people came up with the idea and even the Soviets knew what was happening. I think that's safe to say.

 

[Ringo]

75mm guns like the PAK 40 could penetrate T-34 frontal armor at any distance

Any 75 mm guns at this time can kill any tank of this period of war, but not the 37mm as you said.
"..,.The effectiveness of the Pak 36 against T-34 tanks is still a subject of controversy. According to the memoirs of a number of prominent German military leaders, for example, von Mellentin and Middeldorf, the inability of the Pak 35/36 to fight against the T-34 was "a dramatic chapter in the history of the German infantry".
There are cases of dozens of hits in the T-34 from the Pak 35/36, which did not affect the combat capability of the Soviet tank. According to a number of testimonies, German soldiers nicknamed the Pak 35/36 "door knocker" or "firecracker" because of its low efficiency. Caliber armor-piercing shells were prone to ricochet, and when the armor was penetrated, they often did not disable the tank..."

 

[Oddball]

Learn some history, the AVG didn't enter combat until AFTER Pearl Harbor. Here' an excerpt from the AVG's history:
"

FIRST COMBAT​

The Third A.V.G. squadron moved to Rangoon on December 12, 1941, to join the R.A.F. in the defense of Rangoon. The First and Second squadrons flew from Toungoo to Kunming on the afternoon of the 18th. The first combat for the A.V.G. occurred over southern Yunnan Province on December 20, 1941."

Bullshit....They were deployed well in advance of 7 Dec and were flying under the nationalist Chinese flag.....If they weren't mercenary provocateurs, there'd be no reason to be flying under the auspices of another nation's markings.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Bullshit....They were deployed well in advance of 7 Dec and were flying under the nationalist Chinese flag.....If they weren't mercenary provocateurs, there'd be no reason to be flying under the auspices of another nation's markings.

Read the history.
The AVG didn’t fly it’s first combat mission until after Pearl Harbor. Yes they were intended to have a cover identity as mercenaries, but that was a legal fiction approved by FDR, the State Department and the Chiefs of Staff.

 

[Ringo]

Yes, Truman expected Stalin to keep his treaty commitments. It didn't take long for him to be disillusioned by Stalin's conduct. Stalin had promised a lot of things, but only delivered those that benefitted Stalin.

Oh yeah, we all know that US government only cares about other countries benefits. Ask afghans all about it. French also became aware of it lately...

 

[Ringo]

Nope read some history. During Barbarossa German Panzer 38T and 35T tanks were killing T-34s in large numbers as were 37mm infantry antitank guns.

The effectiveness of the Pak 36 against T-34 tanks is still a subject of controversy. According to the memoirs of a number of prominent German military leaders, for example, von Mellentin and Middeldorf, the inability of the Pak 35/36 to fight against the T-34 was "a dramatic chapter in the history of the German infantry". There are cases of dozens of hits in the T-34 from the Pak 35/36, which did not affect the combat capability of the Soviet tank. According to a number of testimonies, German soldiers nicknamed the Pak 35/36 "door knocker" or "firecracker"because of its low efficiency. Caliber armor-piercing shells were prone to ricochet, and when the armor was penetrated, they often did not disable the tank

 

[Oddball]

By April, 1945 the Germans had few tanks to "commandeer". German armored divisions often had fewer armored vehicles than an American battalion and even those would be a motley mix of assault guns, panzer jaegers and tanks

What was salvageable could have been back up and running over the course of a few weeks by dedicated tank repair crews....Also, the M-26 Pershing was fully online and would have made short work of the Soviets, whose only tactic was attrition.....Not to mention total air supremacy over any battlefield that would have existed.....That alone would have made a total wreck of any formations that dared to move in daylight.

Even war weary regular Wehrmacht troops would have been highly motivated to destroy the Soviets, after the total rape of Berlin.

Barring the most horrendous of weather, that mythical war might just have been the biggest rout in world history.

 

[Oddball]

Read the history.
The AVG didn’t fly it’s first combat mission until after Pearl Harbor. Yes they were intended to have a cover identity as mercenaries, but that was a legal fiction approved by FDR, the State Department and the Chiefs of Staff.

I've read both mainstream (i.e. carefully airbrushed) history and accounts from the Chinese - who have no reason to lie....In fact, one of my closest friend's father was a ground crewman for the AVG....The AVG was deployed and actively flying combat sorties well in advance of 7 Dec.

 

[Ringo]

after the total rape of Berlin.

Another stinking lie from dr. Goebbels ministry, picked up from the dirt by Cold war propaganda.

 

[Oddball]

Another stinking lie from dr. Goebbels ministry, picked up from the dirt by Cold war propaganda.

Blow it out your ass, commie scum.

 

[Ringo]

Blow it out your ass, commie scum.

Nazi filth

 

[Otis Mayfield]

"FDR’s Subservience To Stalin Cost Thousand Of American Soldier’s Lives"​

So that's the title of this thread.

Obviously, the OP is clueless because America was more than happy to watch as 27 million Soviet soldiers marched to their deaths.

Compare that to our 400,000. Most of those dying in the Pacific theater.

Also, it assumes FDR was making all the decisions by himself. Anyone who knows anything about wartime Washington knows there are dozens of people involved in wartime decision making.

FDR just nodded his head now and then when they asked him a question.

Mostly, he'd be concerned about upcoming elections like most politicians are always concerned about.

General Marshall, the guy who the Marshall plan is named after, would've been involved in a lot more of the decision making than FDR ever was.

He disliked Stalin where Truman and Churchill liked Stalin. Disliking Stalin shows a good judge of character.

 

[Ringo]

General Marshall... disliked Stalin where Truman and Churchill liked Stalin. Disliking Stalin shows a good judge of character.

Yeah, and he was in a good company of Stalin haters

https://i.gifer.com/UhH0.mp4

 

[AZrailwhale]

What was salvageable could have been back up and running over the course of a few weeks by dedicated tank repair crews....Also, the M-26 Pershing was fully online and would have made short work of the Soviets, whose only tactic was attrition.....Not to mention total air supremacy over any battlefield that would have existed.....That alone would have made a total wreck of any formations that dared to move in daylight.

Even war weary regular Wehrmacht troops would have been highly motivated to destroy the Soviets, after the total rape of Berlin.

Barring the most horrendous of weather, that mythical war might just have been the biggest rout in world history.

The problem wasn't a number of salvageable knocked out armored vehicles, but a total lack of armored vehicles. At the end, the Germans were throwing tanks into combat as fast as they came off the assembly lines. In some cases that meant with no paint other than the red oxide primer. The Soviets did the same thing in Stalingrad with the last tanks off the assembly line being crewed by the workers that assembled them.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Another stinking lie from dr. Goebbels ministry, picked up from the dirt by Cold war propaganda.

Sorry, you are wrong again. Millions of German and Eastern European women were raped. It's not propaganda, there are hundreds of thousands of accounts, there are even now accounts written by Russian soldiers about the practice.

 

[Ringo]

Sorry, you are wrong again. Millions of German and Eastern European women were raped. It's not propaganda, there are hundreds of thousands of accounts, there are even now accounts written by Russian soldiers about the practice.

Are you talking about this?

Allies 'raped 1m Germans after WWII' claims book

‘When The Soldiers Came,’ by historian Miriam Gebhardt, claims one million women were raped by Allied soldiers in Germany in the immediate aftermath of World War II.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[LA RAM FAN]

the OP is a biased troll,she ignores that the Eisenhower was as much a buddy to Stalin and pro communist as he was because the name republican is attached to it.

The REAL Ike exposed for the war criminal he was.

I keep saying all the time there is no difference in the two parties,they are one in the same. anybody who has doubts about this,it can be erased right now. We all know FDR was buddies with Stalin.well Ike was as well. I posted a pic on another thread years ago of Ike standing next to Stalin...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[LA RAM FAN]

"FDR’s Subservience To Stalin Cost Thousand Of American Soldier’s Lives"​

So that's the title of this thread.

Obviously, the OP is clueless because America was more than happy to watch as 27 million Soviet soldiers marched to their deaths.

Compare that to our 400,000. Most of those dying in the Pacific theater.

Also, it assumes FDR was making all the decisions by himself. Anyone who knows anything about wartime Washington knows there are dozens of people involved in wartime decision making.

FDR just nodded his head now and then when they asked him a question.

Mostly, he'd be concerned about upcoming elections like most politicians are always concerned about.

General Marshall, the guy who the Marshall plan is named after, would've been involved in a lot more of the decision making than FDR ever was.

He disliked Stalin where Truman and Churchill liked Stalin. Disliking Stalin shows a good judge of character.

You are new here so it is understandable that you are unaware that the majority of this board recognizes the OP has no credibility and is biased towards the GOP party ignoring the history of the republicans corruption,that both parties are corrupt and one in the same. when she talks about Obama running the most corrupt administration ever which is true,she ignores that he was only expanding what her hero Bush started and Bush was a close second to Obama as the most corrupt president ever. she evades these facts Bush is the best of buddies with the clintons and Obamas pretending she never sees this picture or this post of mine.

she is an embarrassment to Trump supporters.she is a fake Trump supporter because tghe ONLY reason she likes him in the name REPUBLICAN is attached to it,If he was a democrat she would hate him. where Most Trump supporters here i think its safe to say feel the same way as I do,that even if Trump was a Democrat they would still support him.

she wont come on this thread of mine because she knows she cannot counter the evidence there that Eisenhower was a commie same as FDR.

The REAL Ike exposed for the war criminal he was.

I keep saying all the time there is no difference in the two parties,they are one in the same. anybody who has doubts about this,it can be erased right now. We all know FDR was buddies with Stalin.well Ike was as well. I posted a pic on another thread years ago of Ike standing next to Stalin...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[mikegriffith1]

Historian Sean McMeekin's new book Stalin's War: A New History of World War II proves your point with a mountain of new evidence from Russian archives and other sources.

FDR's handling of the war was downright criminal. His pro-Soviet foreign policy led to the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers.

 

[Ringo]

FDR's handling of the war was downright criminal. His pro-Soviet foreign policy led to the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers.

And if the United States also openly traded with Nazi Germany, then what profits it would provide!
Maybe even Hitler did not declare war on the United States, and if the United States had not only banned Jews from fleeing Europe to the United States, but also sent its Jews (for a small fee, of course, business is business) to Germany, then the United States could have made friends with Hitler.

People like you, a disgrace to humanity