FBI is wrapping up e-mail investigation with no evidence Clinton willfully violated the law

[Rambunctious]

Would know the difference between what? Classified documents and documents that *will be* classified by someone at some future date for some reason?

Laughing.....does your idea of a president come with a cape and a crystal ball?

Please don't be coy... Sensitive material is sensitive material and it's like a Monkey everyone knows one when they see one. I want a leader that can think on his or her own without a stamp across the page.

 

[Lewdog]

When they were classified is irrelevant to the law. Why do yall REFUSE to understand that? Hillary was bound to use her own good judgement and not disseminate information that should be classified regardless of whether it was classified or not. Her excuse of "it was later classified" doesn't hold water because that's not the way the law works, as she was well aware.

WTF? So she was supposed to see into the future and know what *would* be classified later?

That's got to be the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Worse for your claims, the CIA already reviewed the information in question and said they wouldn't have classified it.

Third, as for 'how the law works', you don't know what you're talking about. As almost no one indicated for mishandling classified information. They simply have their security clearance revoked. It has to be especially egregious.....intentional, willful attempts to get information into the wrong hands.

Fourth, the previous SOS' did the same thing and weren't prosecuted for anything.

There's a reason why legal expert after legal expert on national security law is on one side of this issue......and you're on the other.

Did you really just say that? See into the future? She was the fucking Secretary of State... she has to have enough brain cells to have an idea of what is going to be considered classified, and at the VERY least error on the side of caution. That is unless she doesn't care and thinks she is above the law. Yeah I think that pretty much sums it up.

Even the CIA says they wouldn't have classified those documents. So who am I to believe?

Your bizarro assumptions about Hillary being able to tell the future.....backed by jack shit? Or the CIA?

Even the CIA said they wouldn't have classified all the documents on her server? Care to share something to back that up? Or are you just full of lib shit?

Laughing.....says the poor soul that just insisted that Hillary should have been able to tell the future. Citing himself.

You back your batshit up first. Then I'll show you the article where the CIA indicated that the classified documents it reviewed wouldn't have been classified by the CIA.

What the fuck do you mean see the future? Are you from Denver? Are you one of those pot smoking liberals? What is so hard to understand about the fact the Secretary of State should have a pretty good clue as to what is going to end up as classified information...

At least 2,079 emails that Hillary Clinton sent or received contained classified material, according to the State Department’s final update from its review of more than 30,000 emails.

At least 2,079 Clinton emails contain classified material

So Hillary missed a couple of emails with classified info...

 

[Rambunctious]

Why do you and others immediately cry conspiracy when something doesn't turn out the way you had hoped?

Because we are not gullible and stupid.

 

[Skylar]

WTF? So she was supposed to see into the future and know what *would* be classified later?

That's got to be the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Worse for your claims, the CIA already reviewed the information in question and said they wouldn't have classified it.

Third, as for 'how the law works', you don't know what you're talking about. As almost no one indicated for mishandling classified information. They simply have their security clearance revoked. It has to be especially egregious.....intentional, willful attempts to get information into the wrong hands.

Fourth, the previous SOS' did the same thing and weren't prosecuted for anything.

There's a reason why legal expert after legal expert on national security law is on one side of this issue......and you're on the other.

Did you really just say that? See into the future? She was the fucking Secretary of State... she has to have enough brain cells to have an idea of what is going to be considered classified, and at the VERY least error on the side of caution. That is unless she doesn't care and thinks she is above the law. Yeah I think that pretty much sums it up.

Even the CIA says they wouldn't have classified those documents. So who am I to believe?

Your bizarro assumptions about Hillary being able to tell the future.....backed by jack shit? Or the CIA?

Even the CIA said they wouldn't have classified all the documents on her server? Care to share something to back that up? Or are you just full of lib shit?

Laughing.....says the poor soul that just insisted that Hillary should have been able to tell the future. Citing himself.

You back your batshit up first. Then I'll show you the article where the CIA indicated that the classified documents it reviewed wouldn't have been classified by the CIA.

What the fuck do you mean see the future? Are you from Denver?

Laughing.....I'm clearly not dealing with a native speaker of English. See, in our language we have what's called the 'future tense'. Let me give you an example:

What is so hard to understand about the fact the Secretary of State should have a pretty good clue as to what is going to end up as classified information...

"what was going to end up classified information" is a future tense. Meaning you would have to know what was going to happen in the future to glean it.

Are you tracking with me now, chief? You're insisting that Clinton was supposed to know the future. And just 'know' what was going to be end up classified information. Um...somehow. Because you said so.

Um, slick? You're nobody. Meanwhile, the CIA indicates that they wouldn't have emails that they reviewed:

The CIA yesterday (Saturday) informed both the Republican and Democratic staffs of the Select Committee that they do not consider the information you highlighted in your letter to be classified," Cummings wrote in the letter to Gowdy. "Specifically, the CIA confirmed that ‘the State Department consulted with the CIA on this production, the CIA reviewed these documents, and the CIA made no redactions to protect classified information.’"

CIA Debunks Gowdy’s Allegation That Clinton Email Contained Classified CIA Source

Now why would I ignore the CIA.....and instead believe a nobody, citing himself, on what parts of the future Hillary 'should have known'?

I'm all ears. And if you need some help with English, I'm more than willing. Those tenses can be tricky for you ESL folks.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If no hacking occurred, then there should be no problem with Russia releasing the emails that they hacked.

Link to a legit source the Russians have Hillary's emails from her server

(that means NOT Jim "Stupidest man on the iNternet" Hoft's gatewaypundit.com -- or his stupid source: whatdoesitmean.com.)

the traitor government employee that sold his laptop to China is a RW HERO for breaking the system ... Clinton had a private server just like OTHER Government officials so she needs to go to jail ...

who cares what these miserable pukes think?

OTHER government officials did not send classified data over their private servers, and if they did they should be indicted along with Hillary.

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

The CIA has seen the emais and none of them were classified !

bullshit. the FBI has identified thousands of classified emails. are you drunk?

The emails were classified during the review before public release. They weren't classified at the time.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Why do you and others immediately cry conspiracy when something doesn't turn out the way you had hoped?

Because we are not gullible and stupid.

But you are because none of this shit you all get worked up over ever works out for you.

 

[Juicin]

there are two separate systems they worked off of....one is for top secret/secret stuff which I had read is not connected to their regular email system or the internet at all, but is an IN HOUSE system only.

The other system the State department communicated their daily duties with, is an UNCLASSIFIED system, the State.gov system that Hillary forfeited getting an email from and used her server....both were unclassified systems....NOT unsecure systems, because even her system was secure.... both systems, the State.gov and the clinton email.com were not the top secret/secret system with the super duper duper protection on it....

The problem seems to stem from the government OVER CLASSIFYING things, and keeping too much from us.

Here we have a couple things classified as top secret and secret AFTER this info had circulated on the UNCLASSIFIED system for over a year, and one of them they classified top secret, when Hillary received the info from Blumenthal through his regular sources IN THE PUBLIC, so it was public information yet the Intelligence dept decided to make it top secret classified....public information for goodness sakes!

And when you have a seasoned Diplomat for over a decade who is knowledgeable on what should be classified and what not, had nearly 100 of his messages sent to Hillary classified and parts blotted out, before releasing on the FOIA request....and he swears up and down and inside out that NOT ONE of those nearly 100 of his messages were deemed nor should have been deemed, classified.

The gvt is over-classifying and keeping unnecessary things out of these FOIA Requests imo!

Yea, he was reading the correspondence of a woman who sits in the situation room. Some low level IT guy who normally works on shit like connecting diplomats to talk about financial aid and bitch about foreigners.

Are you serious right now?

Just ignoring the obvious attempt to subvert history. That server was a blatant security risk, it was not "secure" by any standard that would be acceptable for a figure of her level. The guy comes from the Clinton political machine not DoD. She has terrible judgement and should be punished

hello? the State.gov email system is an UNCLASSIFIED email system.... sending top secret information in emails to each other was no more 'secure' than them sending this TS info to her email....technically, it should not be on either system....

so why was it passed around on the .gov email system?

First guess, is it was not considered top secret classified info, in some cases for over a year before someone in another agency, decided to make it classified TS.

WE KNOW her aids who had passed emails back and forth on this T/S material for a year on the .gov unclassified system before even forwarding it to Hillary did not believe it was classified T/S material...the gvt/fbi that interviewed them would have found that out... if they had known it was top secret and did this anyway, then they would have been reprimanded for it...

I'm certain the FBI when interviewing her IT guy would have sought out whether he read any of her emails as well....if it is as important as you believe it is.....

And then after it was classified let it sit on that server, what are you talking about?

She knew that would happen, everyone knows things get retroactively classified. That's why you don't let shills from your political campaign be your IT guy and run you a private server you have no legal justification in using on state business

She's guilty

No. The emails were classified by an inter- agency group of intelligence specialists as they were reviewed for public release. Well after Clinton's tenure at state was over and well after the server was no more.

Yea she knew as soon as some one who could classify it could see it it would be

That's the point

And they only classified what her shill IT guy allowed them to see

Are you people brain dead? Do you understand the implications of running your own private server and the responsibility you're taking on yourself? lol

State secrets?

We're on the internet, this is not the place you're going to win this argument.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Lawyer reported on USMB above to have "clearance"? Why would he? Ahhhhhhhhh.......yeah ok.

Because he has to represent her in this matter and needs access to the emails in question maybe?

 

[Lewdog]

Did you really just say that? See into the future? She was the fucking Secretary of State... she has to have enough brain cells to have an idea of what is going to be considered classified, and at the VERY least error on the side of caution. That is unless she doesn't care and thinks she is above the law. Yeah I think that pretty much sums it up.

Even the CIA says they wouldn't have classified those documents. So who am I to believe?

Your bizarro assumptions about Hillary being able to tell the future.....backed by jack shit? Or the CIA?

Even the CIA said they wouldn't have classified all the documents on her server? Care to share something to back that up? Or are you just full of lib shit?

Laughing.....says the poor soul that just insisted that Hillary should have been able to tell the future. Citing himself.

You back your batshit up first. Then I'll show you the article where the CIA indicated that the classified documents it reviewed wouldn't have been classified by the CIA.

What the fuck do you mean see the future? Are you from Denver?

Laughing.....I'm clearly not dealing with a native speaker of English. See, in our language we have what's called the 'future tense'. Let me give you an example:

What is so hard to understand about the fact the Secretary of State should have a pretty good clue as to what is going to end up as classified information...

"what was going to end up classified information" is a future tense. Meaning you would have to know what was going to happen in the future to glean it.

Are you tracking with me now, chief? You're insisting that Clinton was supposed to know the future. And just 'know' what was going to be end up classified information. Um...somehow. Because you said so.

Um, slick? You're nobody. Meanwhile, the CIA indicates that they wouldn't have emails that they reviewed:

The CIA yesterday (Saturday) informed both the Republican and Democratic staffs of the Select Committee that they do not consider the information you highlighted in your letter to be classified," Cummings wrote in the letter to Gowdy. "Specifically, the CIA confirmed that ‘the State Department consulted with the CIA on this production, the CIA reviewed these documents, and the CIA made no redactions to protect classified information.’"

CIA Debunks Gowdy’s Allegation That Clinton Email Contained Classified CIA Source

Now why would I ignore the CIA.....and instead believe a nobody, citing himself, on what parts of the future Hillary 'should have known'?

I'm all ears. And if you need some help with English, I'm more than willing. Those tenses can be tricky for you ESL folks.

Yep, I got it. You are clearly a liberal douche. I really can't understand your ignorance, it's beyond comprehension. The material in her emails was always classified, from the time of their inception. It was her sworn duty, and I mean she really did take an oath, to protect all material that could possibly be deemed classified whether it has been classified yet or not by the department. Are you starting to understand yet? So, there was almost 3,000 emails found on her server with classified information... So ok if there were 10 maybe 100, that would be an whoopsie. But, no. There were almost 3,000 of them, and as someone that went to Welsley College, Yale, and saw many things first hand as the First Lady, she was smart enough to realize what is classified level material. *Notice* because of your anal-ness (I created a word just for you), I said classified level, not classified, because we all know by now that it isn't "classified" until it is reviewed.

There have been multiple leaks from the CIA...some leaning both ways. I personally don't believe the leaks, as the Head of the CIA is such an old school straight man that he has been compared to the Eliot Ness.

 

[JimH52]

The agony of the GOP...

 

[Lewdog]

I don't know if this has been posted, but here is an actual copy of the Sensitive Compartmented Information Nondisclosure Agreement signed by Hillary Clinton. If you take the time to read it, you'll see she clearly broke it.

As Secretary of State Clinton Signed Agreement To Protect Classified Communication…

Game over...

(I guarantee none of the lib heads here read it.)

 

[Hutch Starskey]

PROVE IT....

every single lawyer that has defended those charged with top secret violations that have spoken up on this case have STATED that it has to be knowingly and willfully committed or severely gross negligence, in order for the gvt to prosecute.

Bullshit, I held top secret and SAP clearances for years, a violation does not have to be knowing or willing or grossly negligent. If I did what she did, I would be typing this from a jail cell.

your head is so far up Hillary's fat butt that you cant see reality.

yeah, sure, whatever....

Have you ever received a briefing on the proper way to handle classified information? Don't bother , it's obvious you haven't.

Let's say you work for the State Department and you have classiied material in your briefcase, and you stop off for a drink on your way home from work. Let's say you accidently leave the bar without your briefcase.

Let's now say the next day you realize such and report it to your superiors. Guess what happens? You violated the law and will lose your security clearance, your job, and possibly your freedom.


speaking of that, here is another interesting question. What if the FBI stripped Hillary of her security clearance? Could a person who isn't eligible for a security clearance become President?

What emails are you referring to and when were they classified?

When they were classified is irrelevant to the law. Why do yall REFUSE to understand that? Hillary was bound to use her own good judgement and not disseminate information that should be classified regardless of whether it was classified or not. Her excuse of "it was later classified" doesn't hold water because that's not the way the law works, as she was well aware. They give lectures on this stuff when you are given you security clearances.

When they were classified is all that's relevant. None of these emails let alone all of them were ever meant to be public. Each one was reviewed and some were deemed classified so they could not be released without redactions. All of that was done after her tenure was completed and after the server was no longer in use. You can't hold someone accountable years ago for a standard that was created today.

 

[TemplarKormac]

CNN Reports FBI Has Found ‘No Criminal Wrongdoing’ in Hillary Clinton Email ‘Investigation’

Some of Hillary Clinton’s closest aides, including her longtime adviser Huma Abedin, have provided interviews to federal investigators, as the FBI probe into the security of her private email server nears completion, U.S. officials briefed on the investigation tell CNN. The investigation is still ongoing, but so far investigators haven’t found evidence to prove that Clinton willfully violated the law the U.S. officials say.

One the e-mail investigation is over, is will be over for Donald. She will CRUSH HIM IN NOVEMBER! And you Donald supporter will deny you ever supported him. FUNNY!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/emai...or-staffer-state-department/story?id=38989504

 

[Hutch Starskey]

And as mos of the legal experts asked on the topic agree, its a stretch to apply it to a SOS's communication with her own aides, rather than an enemy nation.

You insist you know better.

We'll see what your opinion is worth. Just remember.....I told you so.

You won't quote one single legal expert who says that having classified information on an unclassified email server is not a violation of the law dude. Not one.

It is a matter of record that the law was violated here. That isn't even at question. The question is, Was Hillary at fault, PERIOD. That's the part you don't seem to understand , all the "legal experts" who are defending her, they aren't arguing that the law wasn't violated, because it was, they are arguing that Hillary was not responsible for the material being on the unclassified server.

Seriously, if you're too stupid to understand the actual topic , why are you even posting, go post in the tv forum or something.

hey dude,

you are the one that posted the link to this supposed law that was broken...but FAILED at reading comprehension of the very first sentence of the law.... where was the intent to deliver this top secret info to the enemy kiddo?

that's your problem, not mine or Hillary's.

18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information


Show me where in that law intent is required.

Wow!

"with intent or reason to believe that the information is to be used to the injury of the United States,"

wrong. intent is irrelevant. SCOTUS ruled on this over 70 years ago and it has always been upheld.

Opinio Juris » Blog Archive Correcting a Common Misperception of the Espionage Act - Opinio Juris

Dude, you asked for it and I gave it to you from your own link. Now you're trying something else. A SoS corresponding with her staff is not espionage.

 

[Care4all]

Lawyer reported on USMB above to have "clearance"? Why would he? Ahhhhhhhhh.......yeah ok.

He has to be able to represent her, AND WHY would the FBI have her lawyer go out and get her server and thumb drive of emails and store them for the FBI in his safe until he could have the server/drive turned over to them, when they thought T/S information was on them, if he did not have clearance? No way would the FBI have her lawyer handle this for them if he didn't have Clearance....

 

[Lewdog]

Bullshit, I held top secret and SAP clearances for years, a violation does not have to be knowing or willing or grossly negligent. If I did what she did, I would be typing this from a jail cell.

your head is so far up Hillary's fat butt that you cant see reality.

yeah, sure, whatever....

Have you ever received a briefing on the proper way to handle classified information? Don't bother , it's obvious you haven't.

Let's say you work for the State Department and you have classiied material in your briefcase, and you stop off for a drink on your way home from work. Let's say you accidently leave the bar without your briefcase.

Let's now say the next day you realize such and report it to your superiors. Guess what happens? You violated the law and will lose your security clearance, your job, and possibly your freedom.


speaking of that, here is another interesting question. What if the FBI stripped Hillary of her security clearance? Could a person who isn't eligible for a security clearance become President?

What emails are you referring to and when were they classified?

When they were classified is irrelevant to the law. Why do yall REFUSE to understand that? Hillary was bound to use her own good judgement and not disseminate information that should be classified regardless of whether it was classified or not. Her excuse of "it was later classified" doesn't hold water because that's not the way the law works, as she was well aware. They give lectures on this stuff when you are given you security clearances.

When they were classified is all that's relevant. None of these emails let alone all of them were ever meant to be public. Each one was reviewed and some were deemed classified so they could not be released without redactions. All of that was done after her tenure was completed and after the server was no longer in use. You can't hold someone accountable years ago for a standard that was created today.

You either have a bunch of us on ignore or you aren't paying attention. Classified information is still classified even before it is actually deemed "classified."

If General Joe sends me an email telling me that he is sending some troops to Tikrit. That is classified information right then...at that moment, and any idiot should recognize that. Now, it hasn't been labeled "classified" yet because it hasn't been reviewed by the people that actually categorize it as "classified." Now just because it hasn't been reviewed yet, doesn't mean I should email it to someone else on an unsecure server, or send it to someone's unsecure phone. Because of the highly sensitive nature I'm going to treat it like it is already marked as classified, until the time it is reviewed and officially deemed classified.

Now, not all my emails are going to be considered "classified," but that's where I use my training to use my best judgement and at the worst, error on the side of caution for safeties sake, because there could be lives on the line.

So yes, a big part of her emails may not have been marked as "classified" when they were sent or received, BUT she should have known the potential for them to be classified, and used her judgement to be more cautious with how they were handled, and used a secure server.

 

[g5000]

RUBE: Hillary Clinton was the second shooter on the grassy knoll.

REPORT: Hillary Clinton was only 16 years old when JFK was shot and did not visit Dallas until 1992.

RUBE: COVER-UP!!!

 

[deltex1]

CNN Reports FBI Has Found ‘No Criminal Wrongdoing’ in Hillary Clinton Email ‘Investigation’

Some of Hillary Clinton’s closest aides, including her longtime adviser Huma Abedin, have provided interviews to federal investigators, as the FBI probe into the security of her private email server nears completion, U.S. officials briefed on the investigation tell CNN. The investigation is still ongoing, but so far investigators haven’t found evidence to prove that Clinton willfully violated the law the U.S. officials say.

One the e-mail investigation is over, is will be over for Donald. She will CRUSH HIM IN NOVEMBER! And you Donald supporter will deny you ever supported him. FUNNY!

What does willful mean, doofus? When you're Secretary of State, you're supposed to KNOW the law...and follow it. Ignorance is no excuse.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

there are two separate systems they worked off of....one is for top secret/secret stuff which I had read is not connected to their regular email system or the internet at all, but is an IN HOUSE system only.

The other system the State department communicated their daily duties with, is an UNCLASSIFIED system, the State.gov system that Hillary forfeited getting an email from and used her server....both were unclassified systems....NOT unsecure systems, because even her system was secure.... both systems, the State.gov and the clinton email.com were not the top secret/secret system with the super duper duper protection on it....

The problem seems to stem from the government OVER CLASSIFYING things, and keeping too much from us.

Here we have a couple things classified as top secret and secret AFTER this info had circulated on the UNCLASSIFIED system for over a year, and one of them they classified top secret, when Hillary received the info from Blumenthal through his regular sources IN THE PUBLIC, so it was public information yet the Intelligence dept decided to make it top secret classified....public information for goodness sakes!

And when you have a seasoned Diplomat for over a decade who is knowledgeable on what should be classified and what not, had nearly 100 of his messages sent to Hillary classified and parts blotted out, before releasing on the FOIA request....and he swears up and down and inside out that NOT ONE of those nearly 100 of his messages were deemed nor should have been deemed, classified.

The gvt is over-classifying and keeping unnecessary things out of these FOIA Requests imo!

Yea, he was reading the correspondence of a woman who sits in the situation room. Some low level IT guy who normally works on shit like connecting diplomats to talk about financial aid and bitch about foreigners.

Are you serious right now?

Just ignoring the obvious attempt to subvert history. That server was a blatant security risk, it was not "secure" by any standard that would be acceptable for a figure of her level. The guy comes from the Clinton political machine not DoD. She has terrible judgement and should be punished

hello? the State.gov email system is an UNCLASSIFIED email system.... sending top secret information in emails to each other was no more 'secure' than them sending this TS info to her email....technically, it should not be on either system....

so why was it passed around on the .gov email system?

First guess, is it was not considered top secret classified info, in some cases for over a year before someone in another agency, decided to make it classified TS.

WE KNOW her aids who had passed emails back and forth on this T/S material for a year on the .gov unclassified system before even forwarding it to Hillary did not believe it was classified T/S material...the gvt/fbi that interviewed them would have found that out... if they had known it was top secret and did this anyway, then they would have been reprimanded for it...

I'm certain the FBI when interviewing her IT guy would have sought out whether he read any of her emails as well....if it is as important as you believe it is.....

And then after it was classified let it sit on that server, what are you talking about?

She knew that would happen, everyone knows things get retroactively classified. That's why you don't let shills from your political campaign be your IT guy and run you a private server you have no legal justification in using on state business

She's guilty

No. The emails were classified by an inter- agency group of intelligence specialists as they were reviewed for public release. Well after Clinton's tenure at state was over and well after the server was no more.

Yea she knew as soon as some one who could classify it could see it it would be

That's the point

And they only classified what her shill IT guy allowed them to see

Are you people brain dead? Do you understand the implications of running your own private server and the responsibility you're taking on yourself? lol

State secrets?

We're on the internet, this is not the place you're going to win this argument.

They were classified for the purpose of release to the public not because they were in an email. There may be information in there that is routine to the operations of the SoS but may jeopardize ongoing negotiations or other State Dept activities if made public. Why is that hard to understand?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The agony of the GOP...

No doubt!
Much gnashing and wailing.